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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

TotalLossBrain posted:

Yeah, :airquote: someone:airquote: must subsidize it, we couldn't burden the taxpayers
We should open casinos in all of those communities, obviously.

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Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


Erghh posted:

Also related: Emergency/First Responder services in rural PA have pretty much collapsed for lack of funding. There's a lot going on with "MaH TaxEs", privatization, dying small towns and FYGM but the point is

the other side of that coin is that people in urban areas - which can at least support the infrastructure for first responders - aren't calling 911 either because they know they literally can't afford the ambulance ride. apparently people are now using uber / lyft for rides to the hospital more commonly when the injury isn't obviously life-threatening

those are your two options in the united states in tyool 2020. either you live somewhere too poor to provide emergency medical services, or you live somewhere that you are too poor yourself to pay for the EMS that exists

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
the last time i was at the hospital i saw a guy pull in with a really nice car whose wife had just given birth in the backseat

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

https://twitter.com/UnionLeader/status/1230218937859739648?s=20

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
:yeah:

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Police cuts so great they couldn't even afford a barrel and a pair of braces.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

“What kind of a town lets their chief of police walk out in a snowstorm in his underwear?” Rick Sampson said.


lmao owned

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 53 minutes!

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

i used to bring this up with my family in alabama (before they moved away from that urine-soaked hellhole)





The black families living in the cotton belt that are hit hardest by this didn't vote Trump

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

zegermans posted:



The black families living in the cotton belt that are hit hardest by this didn't vote Trump

maybe, but those areas, esp that strip through the middle, are also real low in population - way more black families are in the cities, and plenty of the people in the affected areas did in fact vote for trump

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
More chud death please

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1230555444017606656

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound
this counts right?

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1230562835630968838?s=20

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

lol the "great economy" is a complete house of cards and is gonna crash any day now

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

my bony fealty posted:

lol the "great economy" is a complete house of cards and is gonna crash any day now

the rich will make sure it doesn't crash until after bernie gets elected though

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan
lol small towns in america are so broke they can't afford local police and they drat sure can't figure out how to raise the money! Why they've taxed the poor but those lucky duckies keep finding a way to "not have enough money" to pay taxes and, frankly, they're out of ideas!
local plutocrat had this to say "hwah hwah hwah! jchwa ta ba rota socialism! hwah hwah hwah!"

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

lol fukc you my hate will keep me warm at night when they cut off my utilities

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

cumshitter posted:

lol fukc you my hate will keep me warm at night when they cut off my utilities

Must... endure... so long as *those people* are having it worse

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Doing a really great job at attracting immigrants!

Lmao, can you imagine moving to the US from a European country now?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Definitely NOT a cult though.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Power Khan posted:

Doing a really great job at attracting immigrants!

Lmao, can you imagine moving to the US from a European country now?

To be fair, he was giving the speech in England.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

"Save me from this fire!" I cry at the man ignoring me as he pours gasoline on my head

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

hobbesmaster posted:

To be fair, he was giving the speech in England.

Oh right, that should work

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

Apraxin posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1230629128812056577

Post Trump voters not realizing that they're going to die under Trump here

quote:

Angel Mcceig-Escalanti, 44, says most of her family's income is spent on rent, and dealing with problems with their car.

"We've not been able to save any money at all - we have really been struggling," she says.

She lives with her husband, her mother, and one of her three children in a two-bedroom apartment costing $1,270 a month - "and one person doesn't have a bedroom, - my mother sleeps on the couch."

She visits St Vincent's Food Pantry for fresh and canned fruit and vegetables, and visits several other food banks for help as well - particularly because, as a diabetic, she has to have a low-carbohydrate diet.

"We could buy food, just not the sort of food I should be eating. I'm supposed to be low carb, but that's the stuff that is the cheapest."

She also chooses the food carefully, hoping that this will help ensure her teenage son doesn't develop diabetes when he's older.

...

Meanwhile, Christopher Ripke lives with epilepsy, and works full time as a dishwasher at the University of Nevada, Reno - sometimes working seven days a week, as he often offers to work overtime. He also leads People First, a non-profit that helps people with disabilities.

He makes $9.30 an hour - sometimes making $13.50 per hour for overtime - and also received some rental assistance and food stamp assistance, but says he still falls below the poverty level.

Despite that, he feels pleased to have medical coverage in his job - and says he "absolutely" feels optimistic about his future. "I'm setting money aside for future plans - I plan to move to Texas because the healthcare's better."

...

Meanwhile, Christopher and Angel both support President Trump - Christopher because he disagrees with the Democratic candidates' stance on abortion, and Angel because "when he says something, he does it".

Christopher uses food stamps, and is not convinced by reports that Mr Trump's proposed budget would cut food stamps and the safety net. "That's one thing I don't believe - if I see it, I see it, but I've heard nothing about that."

Meanwhile, Angel believes Mr Trump's proposal to reduce the safety net is a good idea. "I've been working since I was 13, and… I only used the system when I needed it. People don't do that anymore, now they use it because there's free stuff."
The story's not just a safari into Trump's America but these two stand out.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I was about to say that I hate both of those people but honestly, it's not their fault that the century of propaganda has convinced them that the taste of boot is actually good. If all you have to eat for your whole life is boot, it seems natural

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

Trump actually will cut food stamps, and that guy is just gonna be like "no he didn't" until he starves to death

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it you little ho-bot :roboluv:




e: this also applies to those other two idiots in the BBC story above.

Stoatbringer has issued a correction as of 10:40 on Feb 21, 2020

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Hillary 2020 posted:

The story's not just a safari into Trump's America but these two stand out.

Apart from laughing about these people literally working towards their and their kids demise, I guess the takeaway is, that propaganda works really well

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
when you have it spewing from your tv and radio 24/7 yeah

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

In this case all it took was a church man telling them abortion is bad.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Despite that, he feels pleased to have medical coverage in his job - and says he “absolutely” feels optimistic about his future. “I’m setting money aside for future plans - I plan to move to Texas because the healthcare’s better.”

...

Meanwhile, Christopher and Angel both support President Trump - Christopher because he disagrees with the Democratic candidates’ stance on abortion, and Angel because “when he says something, he does it”.

Christopher uses food stamps, and is not convinced by reports that Mr Trump’s proposed budget would cut food stamps and the safety net. “That’s one thing I don’t believe - if I see it, I see it, but I’ve heard nothing about that.”

Meanwhile, Angel believes Mr Trump’s proposal to reduce the safety net is a good idea. “I’ve been working since I was 13, and… I only used the system when I needed it. People don’t do that anymore, now they use it because there’s free stuff.”


this 100% accurately describes a lot of the poor people I meet in the middle of Pennsylvania

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I always wondered how 60 whatever percent of people were saying the economy is doing well when it's objectively not for anyone but the very top and I guess I have my answer.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice
I honestly don't get. At least the facists in other countries buy off their base in some way. American facists just openly poo poo in the mouth of theirs. Is this the exceptionslism we hear so much?

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Thundercracker posted:

I honestly don't get. At least the facists in other countries buy off their base in some way. American facists just openly poo poo in the mouth of theirs. Is this the exceptionslism we hear so much?

The payoff is that they will kick minorities harder.

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

Thundercracker posted:

I honestly don't get. At least the facists in other countries buy off their base in some way. American facists just openly poo poo in the mouth of theirs. Is this the exceptionslism we hear so much?

it's sadopopulism and it seems to work extremely well in a country built on racism and genocide

quote:

In "The Road to Unfreedom," you introduce the concept of "sadopopulism." I have used a similar concept which I describe as "political sadism" to describe the fact that Trump is not really a populist but rather part of a larger right-wing effort whose goal is to actually hurt their voters and then redirect the rage at nonwhites, Democrats, liberals, progressives or some other designated enemy. How much of this policy do you think is intentional and strategic? Or is it just something that grew organically out of authoritarian tendencies?

"Sadopopulism" is the notion that you're doing half of populism. You promise people things, but then when you get power you have no intention of even trying to implement any policy on behalf of the people. Instead, you deliberately make the suffering worse for your critical constituency. The people who got Trump into office, for example, are traditional Republican voters plus people in counties who are doing badly in terms of health care and other measures, and who need help.

Under Trump, of course, things will just get worse in terms of both the opioid addictions and in terms of wealth inequality. But that's OK, because the logic of sadopopulism is that pain is a resource. Sadopopulist leaders like Trump use that pain to create a story about who's actually at fault. The way politics works in that model is that government doesn't solve your problems, it blames your problems on other people -- and it creates the cycle that goes around over and over and over again. I started talking about sadopopulism because I got tired of people talking about populism.

It just seems like "populism" doesn't capture a specific American racial and oligarchic situation where people like Trump come to power, promising that the government is going to do something and then, in power, deliberately do nothing positive.

Not so long ago, the currency of government was achievement. Government had to do something. Now, the currency of government is discourse. Government has to make you feel worse about people around you. That's an achievement.

Now, could Trump and his allies theorize about this? I don't know. But they do know what they're doing. They take their cues back from their constituents. It is a mistake to underestimate Trump. Just because he doesn't speak in a sophisticated language does not mean he lacks instincts. Trump possesses a skill set.

Have you ever tried to be a carnival huckster? It's not actually an easy thing to do. You have to fool people. You persuade people to do things that don't really make sense for them. You do it over and over again, with a sense of conviction.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Smirking_Serpent posted:

Trump actually will cut food stamps, and that guy is just gonna be like "no he didn't" until he starves to death

reminds me of 2012 when reporters were showing republican voters ryans budget and they were refusing to believe it was real because why would anyone want those kinds of cuts

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

quote:

Deidre, Brianna and Adrielle all support Bernie Sanders because of his Medicare for All proposals - and do not want to see President Trump win. Brianna says bluntly: "If Trump gets re-elected I'm probably dead. He plans to cut all the programmes that make my life possible."

Meanwhile, Christopher and Angel both support President Trump - Christopher because he disagrees with the Democratic candidates' stance on abortion, and Angel because "when he says something, he does it".

Christopher uses food stamps, and is not convinced by reports that Mr Trump's proposed budget would cut food stamps and the safety net. "That's one thing I don't believe - if I see it, I see it, but I've heard nothing about that."
See! Not all working-class Trump voters are racists, some are just misogynists, and utter morons.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Groovelord Neato posted:

I always wondered how 60 whatever percent of people were saying the economy is doing well when it's objectively not for anyone but the very top and I guess I have my answer.

This thread might help:

https://twitter.com/oren_cass/statu...r%3D330%23pti19

Basically economic indicators show everything booming because economics is a poo poo garbage science for morons, but under the surface actual cost-of-living and wage trends have made people way poorer in real terms than they used to be. So every person individually feels the squeeze, but on aggregate the media, which is dominated by people individually doing well, talk to economists who are also individually doing well and measuring the wrong things, keep going on TV and newspapers to tell people the economy is booming and doing great and never been better in the history of humanity. The end result is extreme cognitive dissonance where people are being told 24/7 that the economy is doing great but personally they and everyone they know feel poorer than they've ever been, and how people choose to resolve that dissonance is basically politics in 2020.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Mercury_Storm posted:

when you have it spewing from your tv and radio 24/7 yeah

The first amendment was a mistake

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
:wrong: Confusing money and speech is the mistake.

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Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

vyelkin posted:

This thread might help:

https://twitter.com/oren_cass/statu...r%3D330%23pti19

Basically economic indicators show everything booming because economics is a poo poo garbage science for morons, but under the surface actual cost-of-living and wage trends have made people way poorer in real terms than they used to be. So every person individually feels the squeeze, but on aggregate the media, which is dominated by people individually doing well, talk to economists who are also individually doing well and measuring the wrong things, keep going on TV and newspapers to tell people the economy is booming and doing great and never been better in the history of humanity. The end result is extreme cognitive dissonance where people are being told 24/7 that the economy is doing great but personally they and everyone they know feel poorer than they've ever been, and how people choose to resolve that dissonance is basically politics in 2020.

And then you have those same millionaires on the TV wondering why socialism is making a comeback and being genuinely baffled.

We are really headed for some kind of head where we'll go screaming into total fascism or violent socialist revolution, aren't we? Because willful ignorance is blinding a lot of people.

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