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yeah maybe restrained wasn't the best word. Maybe stilted is better? Idk Hopefully the stingers are being kept in the hands of real Turkish soldiers. Good god, that's the last thing we need getting into the hands of random Syrian rebels. Who knows who they could give them to or how they would use them. it really does seem like Turkey is just making this up as they go along. I don't know if even Erdogan knows what he's going to order next.
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i know that corona virus and the run up to the elections is really dominating the news cycle, but i find it shocking how little i'm seeing this clash between turkey and russia being covered. i know everyone involved wants to keep it local and contained, but it still feels a bit like walking the razors edge and no on seems to be talking about it
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It's not even just Russia and Turkey because you have the US running around with sf guys in armored vehicles doing god knows what following almost no discernible military protocol.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's not even just Russia and Turkey because you have the US running around with sf guys in armored vehicles doing god knows what following almost no discernible military protocol. They have discernable military protocal dude. Id love to be corrected if im wrong, but the US forced havent killed and russian regulars in the last few weeks of idlib siege being closed?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:They have discernable military protocal dude. Id love to be corrected if im wrong, but the US forced havent killed and russian regulars in the last few weeks of idlib siege being closed? I'm exaggerating a bit, but the way they are moving around seems reckless and not consistent with how they generally do things in an area where there is a non-zero threat.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i know that corona virus [...] is really dominating the news cycle Speaking of, it has spread to several ME countries, killing two in Iran. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/iran-two-more-deaths-13-new-covid-19-cases-coronavirus-12458272
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I mean, they use conscription. I've got a turkish buddy who was an exchange student at my high school whose younger brother is in Syria during his conscription term, and they are... not Erdogan fans? No, the ideal situation is for as many Turkish soldiers to die as is needed so they gently caress off out of Syria and leave the Kurds the gently caress alone. Or anyone else they have the genocidal itch for. And I don't really care about the fact they are conscripts. That's a problem for their society, their nation. If it makes them feel better, they can cry out to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala about the misfortune of their birth. gently caress the turks. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BurningChrome posted:No, the ideal situation is for as many Turkish soldiers to die as is needed so they gently caress off out of Syria and leave the Kurds the gently caress alone. Or anyone else they have the genocidal itch for. And I don't really care about the fact they are conscripts. That's a problem for their society, their nation. If it makes them feel better, they can cry out to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala about the misfortune of their birth. gently caress the turks. quoted for posterity
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BurningChrome posted:No, the ideal situation is for as many Turkish soldiers to die as is needed so they gently caress off out of Syria and leave the Kurds the gently caress alone. Or anyone else they have the genocidal itch for. And I don't really care about the fact they are conscripts. That's a problem for their society, their nation. If it makes them feel better, they can cry out to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala about the misfortune of their birth. gently caress the turks. you seem normal.
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Al-Saqr posted:you seem normal. Irrelevant, much like the fate of Turkish soldiers.
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BurningChrome posted:No, the ideal situation is for as many Turkish soldiers to die as is needed so they gently caress off out of Syria and leave the Kurds the gently caress alone. Or anyone else they have the genocidal itch for. And I don't really care about the fact they are conscripts. That's a problem for their society, their nation. If it makes them feel better, they can cry out to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala about the misfortune of their birth. gently caress the turks. please do not post your mass shooter manifesto on these forums
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Cease to Hope posted:please do not post your mass shooter manifesto on these forums I'm sorry I don't have love and admiration for Turkey.
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BurningChrome posted:I'm sorry I don't have love and admiration for Turkey. There is a difference between that and calling for conscripts to die for your amusement.
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Dante80 posted:There is a difference between that and calling for conscripts to die for your amusement. Not for my amusement at all.
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BurningChrome posted:Not for my amusement at all. No, it is certainly for your idle amusement. Or alternatively, you are a very low info poster about this one. And I say this as a guy marching hand in hand with Kurdish exiles here in Athens for 25 years. Straight.
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Dante80 posted:No, it is certainly for your idle amusement. Or alternatively, you are a very low info poster about this one. Maybe it's the latter, I'll admit that one. Yet I still don't care what happens to those troops. They'll kill all them Kurds given half a chance. I don't believe the Turkish have a problem with how they did the Armenians, last I checked, and their leader seems to be an Islamist imperialist dicksuck whose only here because a fighter jock hesitated. They play ball with terrorists when it suits them, they are an opportunistic NATO ally at the best of times. Cold war's over and they are unnecessary. Not as they are today. The Turkish people gave this guy power last I checked. They can take it back too. Till they do, I'm good on that whole country. At least with what I know today.
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BurningChrome posted:Maybe it's the latter, I'll admit that one. Yet I still don't care what happens to those troops. They'll kill all them Kurds given half a chance. I don't believe the Turkish have a problem with how they did the Armenians, last I checked, and their leader seems to be an Islamist imperialist dicksuck whose only here because a fighter jock hesitated. They play ball with terrorists when it suits them, they are an opportunistic NATO ally at the best of times. Cold war's over and they are unnecessary. Not as they are today. Ok, let me help. Two parts. 1/ Erdogan is a megalomaniac edgelord with a cult status in some parts of the populace. And yes, the current Turkish state is loving horrible, for a excruciatingly large number of reasons. Yes, in part, the Turkish people that have put and maintain him to power are to blame. Just like one would say the American people are to blame for a shitlord like Trump being in power. Erdogan though - as well as AKP - are the most tolerant faction as regards to the Kurdish population and the PKK insurgency. I have to remind you that this poo poo has been going on since the 70's. And that if that fighter jock hadn't hesitated, Turkey would be under another Junta now. Why is this important? Because Erdogan is considered a Georgian PKK plant/sympathizer by both the army and the right wing in Turkey. He is literally thought of as a traitor by both Kemalists and hardcore Nationalists. If the situation in Syria forces Erdogan to be replaced, those fuckers are going to eradicate millions. And if you think that the Kurds are being massacred now, just try to start thinking what will happen (in Syria and - most importantly - inside Turkey) when the US will have to align with Turkey more, if Turkey as a NATO member loses in any quantifiable capacity against the Russians. Same goes for the Syrian refugees in Turkey (deemed as coward cockroaches by the nationalists). 2/ Turkey has a conscript army. This actually matters. The rich and powerful have the resources to send their kids to Edirne/Evros to gently caress around in peace, while the poor kids are sent to the grinder. Most of the conscripts in Turkey have no choice on this, and are following orders because there is literally nothing else to do if they want to have a future. It is possible to both understand the fuckery of the Turkish regime and not lust for the death of conscripts that are put in danger by said regime. Dante80 fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Feb 22, 2020 |
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Dante80 posted:Ok, let me help. Two parts. I guess I was a little blinded by hate there. I'll have to reevaluate. Thank you for the post.
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Imagine having any sympathy for conscripts fighting in an offensive war. If you'd rather murder someone than face prison time, you deserve anything you get.
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Ah yes the poor Turkish conscript. Who will perpetrate the genocide of the Kurds once Erdogan is gone and the Nationalists are in charge because they're "following orders" as Dante notes. They're victims too you see. Just like the IDF conscripts in Palestine.
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When a Greek guy is saying maybe you’re being a bit harsh on the Turks, that might be a hint you’ve gone too far. That’s like an Irishman saying the English aren’t that bad.
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OhFunny posted:Ah yes the poor Turkish conscript. Who will perpetrate the genocide of the Kurds once Erdogan is gone and the Nationalists are in charge because they're "following orders" as Dante notes. They're victims too you see. Just like the IDF conscripts in Palestine. In Idlib they're the ones defending civilians against a murderous regime that's deliberately targeting them, but go off.
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Timmy Age 6 posted:When a Greek guy is saying maybe you’re being a bit harsh on the Turks, that might be a hint you’ve gone too far. That’s like an Irishman saying the English aren’t that bad. I'm Armenian. Sinteres posted:In Idlib they're the ones defending civilians against a murderous regime that's deliberately targeting them, but go off. What a short memory this thread has about Turkey declaring it's going to "correct the demographics" in Syria.
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Nobody's forgotten, it's just a question of who's being worse in what theater. Of course Turkey's worse in Kurdish areas, but the regime is worse in Idlib. I don't want to see Turkey launch a campaign to reconquer the province or anything, but if they could negotiate a cease fire that allows them to hold the line and keep the IDP camps on the border safe from the regime, I think that's pretty clearly a good thing. Pretty impressive job by Merkel and Macron getting themselves invited to the table: https://twitter.com/afp/status/1231254520040128513?s=21 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Feb 22, 2020 |
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Dante80 posted:Ok, let me help. Two parts. Erdogan is a hardcore nationalist and so are his followers, the difference between them and the Kemalists is religion and that's about it.
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As the guy with marital connections to Cyprus 1970's refugees though lemme say that yeah this is creepy talk. Like I wouldn't lecture my inlaws or Kurds for that kind of talk, but if you don't belong to those kind of groups than lol come off it. To illustrate how casual Turks get sucked in on this, my wife and I were at a Greek cafe in New Jersey. One waitress was Turkish and when her and the staff found out my wife was Cypriot they came to have little chats with her. The Turkish girl without even thinking started up with "Oh neat! My brother is stationed in Cyp-" than she trailed off when remembering what that meant. (When I asked later for an Ayrani she insisted on being the one to make it, and made it extremely good, goddamn) I dunno what people take from a anecdote like that but... Just I mean like, all these everyday people over there getting sucked into these positions on this awful stuff and its goddamn sad. Not a sports game to get gleeful about.
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lmao. We all remember how, during the Brest-Litovsk treaty negotiations Lenin had agitators go to the Central Powers lines to tell the German and Austrian conscripts to get hosed for fighting an offensive war
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Continuity RCP posted:lmao. We all remember how, during the Brest-Litovsk treaty negotiations Lenin had agitators go to the Central Powers lines to tell the German and Austrian conscripts to get hosed for fighting an offensive war This happened throughout the war. Socialists passed leaflets like "no troops in trenches 1916"
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Corona virus in a warzone or refugee encampment seems like a major health crisis on the horizon.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:This happened throughout the war. Socialists passed leaflets like "no troops in trenches 1916"
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This from a jpost article seemed interesting: Syrian President Bashar Assad almost gave up power and requested asylum in another country, but Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force Commander Qassem Soleimani allegedly convinced him not to, according to a report released by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. In a comprehensive interview with a close friend to Soleimani who accompanied him on various visits to Iraq and Syria, Hasan Flark revealed that Assad was on the verge of giving up his reign in Syria and intended to take refuge in another country, likely Russia. Flark, who acted as a consultant and special assistant to Soleimani, noted that the latter implored Assad to remain in his position, telling him that "the one and only option facing us is a victory for the resistance, and with the help of God, we will achieve it. ” In current news, the regime started an offensive in southern Idlib, well away from the Turkish border, and Russian planes bombed near a Turkish observation point in the area to make it clear that they're still backing the regime. If the regime gobbled up all the territory south of the M4, that would be about a third of what's left of rebel-controlled Idlib. The M4 gets pretty drat close to the Turkish border in the west though, so I'm skeptical about the regime's ability to grab the entire highway. Israel also bombed Damascus today, though it seems they were striking at Islamic Jihad rather than at the regime or Hezbollah like usual. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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Fifty people are now dead from Coronavirus in Iran. There go my last hopes of this disease remaining a 'mostly Chinese' thing instead of becoming a pandemic. On a related note, my job in Vienna sees me in contact with a lot of tourists every day, and my girlfriend has a very weak constitution. I'm not worried about myself (as in, I'm almost certain that I am going to catch this bug in the coming months, I just don't think it'll be the end of me), but I've had this fearful idea growing inside of me for the last few days (since the Daegu outbreak, basically) that I might end up killing her via transmission. Any opinions on that?
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My understanding is that while it might be possible to spread the disease while you’re asymptomatic, most transmission is from individuals experiencing significant symptoms, so stay away from her while you’re sick, wash your hands a lot and don’t touch your own or each other’s faces. For the latter part I’d recommend a hand sanitizer with an extremely strong bittering agent, there’s some stuff I had once where if you touched your lips or tongue for like an hour afterward you’d regret it immensely.
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Gimmick Account posted:Fifty people are now dead from Coronavirus in Iran. This is not the thread to ask about infecting your gf with the corona virus. In the context of this thread, it seems inevitable the virus will spread throughout the ME. As someone already pointed out masses of refugees, in camps or on the move, are about the ideal place to incubate an infectious disease. It also won't help the refugees get resettled, or even let back in to where they came from. Depending on how bad this gets it could be a real test for autocratic regimes in the region. The secrecy instinct these governments have don't work very well when trying to contain or deal with outbreaks like this.
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Count Roland posted:This is not the thread to ask about infecting your gf with the corona virus. I don't think we have a specific thread for that, and I only really post in D&D. It just seemed relevant to the ongoing events, and it's been bothering me a lot lately. The Guardian changed the tone and content of its article right under my nose, by the way. Iran is now disputing the increased death toll of fifty, with the Guardian taking a far more 'allegedly'-type of approach than before. Wasn't the case back when I linked it, sorry!
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Gimmick Account posted:I don't think we have a specific thread for that, and I only really post in D&D. It just seemed relevant to the ongoing events, and it's been bothering me a lot lately. It's a lawmaker in Qom who's making the claim. So not somebody the government can just ignore, though they refute the number. In any case, it's likely more serious than is being reported, in a number of places.
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