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OwlFancier posted:I would probably suggest that while it is unlikely to change things, successful extraelectoral revolutionary action is even less likely to change things, unfortunately, if only because electoral success is more likely to happen and function as a release valve before revolutionary action builds sufficient momentum. That was I think my view before this GE but now I don't really know what it is. But also I am really just extremely not well mentally at the minute which is not helping me constructive about it. Sorry thread (I worry this reads sarky, but I mean it) AH gently caress PAGE SNIPE uh here is a soothing christmas photo of my brother's cat 
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UK Democracy is a sham but every now and then it accidentally gives people a shot at touching the levers of power briefly. 2017 and 2019 were those. We missed the shot though, maybe we can get another one sooner rather than later. It's not "our" fault since we don't control the Corbyn campaign and it's mistakes or whatever since representative democracy is designed to prevent that. But it was still a gently caress up and for a few of the gently caress ups people itt including me were like "yass Corbyn great idea thread that needle". I dunno I think trying to reassume our sense of superiority as if nothing happened is awkward. Our superiority is obvious compared to the centrists so we can afford to go "whoops that was a mis step huh", leftism isn't that fragile.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:26
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I don't think that at the precise moment when the right is trying to retake control of the party is an appropriate time for self doubt, I would probably say it is the least possibly appropriate time to do that. Right now, I think, is the time to redouble commitment, to dig in your heels and refuse to let them have anything they've hosed us to get. Discontent will manifest electorally first, and I think it's important that the right do not get another chance to capture that impetus as they did in 1997.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:30
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Lungboy posted:I'd put money on the fact he hired those cars and is now selling his advice to poor saps that believe the BBC article. He says fake instagram pages have been made in his likeness to defraud potential investors. I'm those totally aren't created by him and not at all how he earns his money. It does seem the major media will repeat random peoples claims as fact without much investigation. There's another instagram scammer called Kieren Hamilton who uses the fact he was on Channel4s rich kids go homeless as proof of his Forex success. He said the homeless are shiftless and he wanted to prove he could do well from being homeless because of his work ethic. I think his experiment ended when the real homeless called him out as fake due to his shiny white veneers. Or there was a British-Nigerian trader on some BBC show who had no proof of his wealth. His office was in his mams house and he drove rented cars to show off his wealthy, to encourage young people with money, like footballers to have him manage their assets. He used graphs from his play money account to show how well his trading was. He was later arrested for trying to run down a friend who had lent him some money. The court case outed him as being broke, up to his eyeballs in debt.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:40
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A small thing that brings me comfort is that I doubt any of the other people who ran in 15 and the chicken coupers in 16 would have fared much better. Outside of Corbyn the best was someone who was basically Ed Milliband but with more triangulation.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:41
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Even a putative perfect leftist, whatever that would look like, couldn't have easily done better. Too much of the counterplay from the opposing side was just pure baseless smearing that was believed because people simply couldn't be exposed enough to the truth.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:46
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For real guys, if you give me £1,000 today, I'll give you £2,000* in a year. *Post-brexit pounds
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Feb 23, 2020 18:50
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Ratjaculation posted:For real guys, if you give me £1,000 today, I'll give you £2,000* in a year. I'd take that bet if I weren't so strapped for cash (and trusted you wouldn't just run away with it ofc). Even the pessimistic predictions are all <30% inflation at worst.
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Feb 23, 2020 18:56
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:A small thing that brings me comfort is that I doubt any of the other people who ran in 15 and the chicken coupers in 16 would have fared much better. Outside of Corbyn the best was someone who was basically Ed Milliband but with more triangulation. Very much agree. It would have been more gradual decline of vote share starting from the 2015 point, I would guess. Corbyn was the best we were ever going to get.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:01
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Ratjaculation posted:For real guys, if you give me £1,000 today, I'll give you £2,000* in a year. Which year...
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Feb 23, 2020 19:02
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Private Speech posted:I'd take that bet if I weren't so strapped for cash (and trusted you wouldn't just run away with it ofc). Still fuckable... E; Oh talking about money inflation, ignore.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:10
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WhatEvil posted:Very much agree. It would have been more gradual decline of vote share starting from the 2015 point, I would guess. Corbyn was the best we were ever going to get. We'd possibly be in a worse position, but wouldn't get the 2017 to give us hope.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:17
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Assuming he started aged 16, he's apparently got to 200k a year in four years, self taught immediately after failing his GCSEs, through a career choice that is risky at the best of times. He’s almost certainly a spreadbetter who has leveraged himself out the rear end. At 16, your parents must be guardian of your funds until you turn 18. It is unlikely they would have allowed him to obtain the necessary exposure to get his capital high enough to be making 200k profit. The way most of these jackasses get rich is by selling ‘signals’ to impressionable kids on Instagram. This probably reads something like sour grapes, but the type of conspicuous consumption these guys promote explicitly targets the most vulnerable.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:21
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josh04 posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/2b3f3f67-2338-4253-b7f5-a36192885492 He may well be someone who just has a knack for this type of thing. Plenty of people have gotten themselves out of poverty and into riches by having a real talent that gets them huge sums of money, like footballers. What gets to me is the whole "well if I can do it, anyone can" one-size-fits-all approach. Of course only a few people can do it, that's why it pays so well.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:26
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Is the DnD thing going on in London still? I can still make it but am v. tired after work today.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:30
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think that at the precise moment when the right is trying to retake control of the party is an appropriate time for self doubt, I would probably say it is the least possibly appropriate time to do that. since all thats required right now is that we don't vote for starmer i don't really see the harm in some self-analysis, if not now, when? blind faith didnt really help us out last time round lol
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Feb 23, 2020 19:37
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Josef bugman posted:Is the DnD thing going on in London still? Provisional plan is Session 0 (character generation, maybe some initial gaming) is 2pm on March 1st. I'll try to remember to PM/Whatsapp-group everyone in the next day or so.  Have just finished moving house/started new job so it's all a bit hectic 
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Feb 23, 2020 19:44
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Josef bugman posted:Is the DnD thing going on in London still? Was it meant to be today? If so I mega derped and made fudge instead. Edit: feedmegin posted:Provisional plan is Session 0 (character generation, maybe some initial gaming) is 2pm on March 1st. I'll try to remember to PM/Whatsapp-group everyone in the next day or so. Can’t make that due to being in Leicester hawking fudge to LARPers (assuming you’re ok with me playing). Happy to set up a character with you separately and turn up to session 1 though. Camrath fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Feb 23, 2020 |
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Feb 23, 2020 19:46
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Evidentally not! March 1st is doable, but will be late due to work existing and Capitalism being a constant loving trial.
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Feb 23, 2020 19:48
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Ratjaculation posted:For real guys, if you give me £1,000 today, I'll give you £2,000* in a year. The development of British currency. 2019 = British Pounds 2020 = Brexit Pounds 2021 = Post-Brexit Pounds 2022 = M. Bison Pounds
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Feb 23, 2020 19:55
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The Question IRL posted:
is this like the gold standard but with the queen
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CoolCab posted:is this like the gold standard but with the queen M Bison Pounds the Queen?
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Camrath posted:Was it meant to be today? If so I mega derped and made fudge instead Lol nope, you're fine. And yes, for the avoidance of doubt I am a-ok with you being in my game. quote:Evidentally not! March 1st is doable, but will be late due to work existing and Capitalism being a constant loving trial. Not a problem, its character generation and in any case there's enough of you that people can not make a session/come in late without too much trouble. As mentioned, if you're not there your character is offscreen somewhere barfing up a dodgy doner or w/e so it's all good.
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bessantj posted:He may well be someone who just has a knack for this type of thing. Plenty of people have gotten themselves out of poverty and into riches by having a real talent that gets them huge sums of money, like footballers. What gets to me is the whole "well if I can do it, anyone can" one-size-fits-all approach. Of course only a few people can do it, that's why it pays so well. the general outline of the piece might be true but I don't trust any of the actual figures in the story in particular spending an entire year's profit on a car seems incredibly dumb when he could be using it as capital in the next year and turning it into even more even if he is one of the small minority of people who can make a year-on-year profit by trading I sincerely doubt he's making anything like that much on a consistent basis my guess is he's paid for a PR piece in an attempt to get one of the big City trading firms to headhunt (and hoping they don't go looking too closely at his actual figures) e: actually £470 on his first day seems really suspicious as well, either that's a massive profit margin (that I am given to believe doesn't really exist in ForEx) or he did indeed have a very large amount of capital to start with Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 23, 2020 |
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Z the IVth posted:M Bison Pounds the Queen? mbisonyes.gif
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Feb 23, 2020 20:31
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Got accused of being a bot on Facebook so that's very exciting.
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Communist Thoughts posted:since all thats required right now is that we don't vote for starmer i don't really see the harm in some self-analysis, if not now, when? 
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Julio Cruz posted:e: actually £470 on his first day seems really suspicious as well, either that's a massive profit margin (that I am given to believe doesn't really exist in ForEx) or he did indeed have a very large amount of capital to start with I messed with ForEx for a while, and it was either a massively fluctuating day that day. As in massive drops/increases a few times. So his selling price returns were like a high odds bet winning (20/1 a few times during the day, 200/1 once for example). Or he had a large sum of money to start with, and was lucky with one price drop/increase to get back pennies on it.. Edit: Ah, just what you just said. gently caress, I cant read atm happyhippy fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Feb 23, 2020 |
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Feb 23, 2020 21:13
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I saw bojo out yesterday with, presumably, his family wandering through st james park. The almighty chode himself.
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Feb 23, 2020 21:15
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Pilchenstein posted:Once again, I ask you to specify what you think we should have done differently, other than nebulous poo poo like "don't believe as hard" or "have less faith in ourselves" The conclusion is clear - from 2015-17 the attempts at reconcilation with the Labour right were the correct approach because the ideological leanings of party members and the public weren't really known. From the 2017 GE they were demonstrably known and favouring the left. At that point we should have asserted our strength, pushed for open selection to get out the rightwing or force them into silence and gotten Tom Watson fired while refusing to accept the anti-semitism attacks as legitimate criticism, encouraging the development of other leftist media outlets where people didn't have to hear liberals making things up every day and using that drive and effort to embed activism and social political organisations in communities. We didn't so we've just got to do that last bit and hope that the Labour party either listens and retains the values that Corbyn did or is replaced by a proper leftwing party.
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Feb 23, 2020 21:15
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The Question IRL posted:The development of British currency. I want us to have the currency in Aliens, the dollarpound.
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happyhippy posted:I want us to have the currency in Aliens, the dollarpound. And Red Dwarf.
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happyhippy posted:I want us to have the currency in Aliens, the dollarpound. How about eurodollar, the most cyberpunk of currencies 
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Feb 23, 2020 21:25
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lol cool my home internet has been down since yesterday and an engineer isn't going to come out until Wednesday whyyy
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Feb 23, 2020 21:35
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Aphex- posted:lol cool my home internet has been down since yesterday and an engineer isn't going to come out until Wednesday whyyy The storms/flooding the last two weekends have probably wrecked some infrastructure that's now being prioritised by openreach...
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Feb 23, 2020 21:51
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Just in case people have forgotten how bad some of the Blair poo poo was, have a comprehensive list.
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Feb 23, 2020 22:21
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Aphex- posted:lol cool my home internet has been down since yesterday and an engineer isn't going to come out until Wednesday whyyy Look at it as a great chance to do some reading without distractions.
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Feb 23, 2020 22:41
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lol https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1231675669488246784?s=20
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lmao https://twitter.com/CWUnews/status/1231693751829061633?s=20 lol they're still going https://twitter.com/CWUnews/status/1231698054224412673?s=20 Jose fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Feb 23, 2020 |
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I've just had a magnificently  thought - what if the Centrist All-Stars deliberately forced an early election last year to prevent President Sanders from blowing all their THE LEFT ISN'T ELECTABLE bullshit out of the water?I mean this would suppose a level of political nous and strategic thought that they've literally never demonstrated, but if they were actually competent I could see it happening.
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