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GrandpaPants posted:What I kinda don't get is why spend all that money on ad buys when you can do something amazingly magnanimous that will be its own hype engine. "Bloomberg spend hundreds of millions of his own dollars on advertising" does way less for a political campaign than "Bloomberg fixes Flint," but what the hell do I know about this dumb political process. Fixing Flint doesn't keep Bernie out of office and Mike Bloomberg's taxes low. Highlighting problems like that probably just helps Bernie
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He's already spent more just on commercials than bernie's tax would ever have cost him.
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Feb 24, 2020 18:55
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As I see it: The money isn't the issue, it's somebody winning who clearly is saying "I don't like billionaires, I don't think they should have that kind of money, and I think we should take it." Once those people start winning it undermines your whole platform. A lot of the reason the (moderate for the rest of the world but pretty hardcore for the USA) left doesn't win is because a bunch of people have been convinced that they can't win, and vote accordingly. Once one of them wins - and wins decisively, the highest office in the land, and doesn't "triangulate" to do it - well that's a big blow. Maybe not a knockout punch but a bell-ringer, and these spoiled brat billionaires aren't familiar with having their bell rung.
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Feb 24, 2020 19:05
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Sadly, I think "fixing Flint" would get only a few days of media coverage, at best. You would have to combine it with the ad blitz to really make something of it, and at that point you can just do the ads and make meaningless promises to fix X or Y. Promises cost nothing.
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Feb 24, 2020 19:08
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Leperflesh posted:He's already spent more just on commercials than bernie's tax would ever have cost him. Bloomberg makes 27 million a day, he's going to not even notice how much he's spent on commercials. Taxes, on the other hand.
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Feb 24, 2020 21:30
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It's not about the money, it's about the power. I'm sure Bloomberg would think about fixing Flint with his own money, if he won the presidency. I've only worked for 2 billionaires and 5 millionaires but every one of them got off on tossing crumbs to the lil' folk.
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Feb 24, 2020 22:27
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Jaxyon posted:Bloomberg makes 27 million a day, he's going to not even notice how much he's spent on commercials. I looked it up and I had been misremembering Bernie's wealth tax as just 1%. It's actually a progressive scale: quote:It would start with a 1 percent tax on net worth above $32 million for a married couple. That means a married couple with $32.5 million would pay a wealth tax of just $5,000. Bloomberg has $61B. So despite dropping like $400M on commercials already, he hasn't even come close to what he'd pay in the first year of a bernie tax system. Of course, there's no chance Bernie's huge wealth tax could get through congress, so it's moot; but I wanted to recognize that yeah billionaires really do not like bernie sanders' tax plans.
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Feb 25, 2020 00:21
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Bloomberg’s opposition to Bernie seems pretty clearly rooted in his sincere personal and ideological commitment to the Neoliberal political project, which Bernie is very clearly a threat to, than any kind of personal financial stake IMO. The fact that it lines up with the personal interests of people like him , well yeah, that’s superstructure bby.
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Feb 25, 2020 00:39
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Good ol' lovable PG&E.quote:PG&E Corp.’s chief executive said Monday that one of his company’s contractors doing work related to the 2018 Camp Fire aftermath had charged more than it was supposed to and inappropriately paid “large sums of money” to two PG&E employees. e: In timely Bloomberg news: https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1232057849897013251 Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 00:40
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Leperflesh posted:Of course, there's no chance Bernie's huge wealth tax could get through congress Never say never.
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Feb 25, 2020 00:53
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My favorite part: "The ways you get Congress to work for you is the ways you deal with your family," Bloomberg said. "You bribe them. You say to your kid, you say to your kid to 'clean your room or you don't get your allowance.'
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Feb 25, 2020 01:04
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Tacier posted:My favorite part: "The ways you get Congress to work for you is the ways you deal with your family," Bloomberg said. "You bribe them. You say to your kid, you say to your kid to 'clean your room or you don't get your allowance.'
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Feb 25, 2020 01:35
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Never say never. If the Dems somehow got a 60/40 majority in the Senate - which I don't believe is remotely possible during a prospective 8-year Bernie Sanders term - I still don't think we'd get Bernie's wealth tax, or even close to it. It's a goal and I don't think he should budge on it right now (giving ground to the opposition before even entering negotiation, only for them to unanimously vote 'no' anyway, has been a major failure of the Democratic party for decades now) but my advice is not to hold your breath on this one. Maybe if we got rid of money in american politics somehow, like truly radical and comprehensive campaign finance reform, then a decade or two later it might become feasible for our congress to broadly reject the influence of billionaires. Right now, it's impossible.
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Feb 25, 2020 23:12
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Well I appreciate your concern but don't worry, I literally think that we're going to have a society-wide collapse inside of 20 years. So anything nice that happens is just a bonus to me.
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Feb 25, 2020 23:17
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Leperflesh posted:If the Dems somehow got a 60/40 majority in the Senate - which I don't believe is remotely possible during a prospective 8-year Bernie Sanders term - I still don't think we'd get Bernie's wealth tax, or even close to it. It's a goal and I don't think he should budge on it right now (giving ground to the opposition before even entering negotiation, only for them to unanimously vote 'no' anyway, has been a major failure of the Democratic party for decades now) but my advice is not to hold your breath on this one. Bernie's agenda ultimately comes down to whether you, personally, are willing to stop working/man the barricades/etc.
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Feb 25, 2020 23:27
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The Santa Clara Water District plans to completely drain Anderson Reservoir because the dam containing it would crumple to dust in the even of an earthquake.
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Feb 26, 2020 06:38
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Sydin posted:The Santa Clara Water District plans to completely drain Anderson Reservoir because the dam containing it would crumple to dust in the even of an earthquake. Because the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission told them to. Nevermind that it's been lovely for years and we're looking at a drought in 2020
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Feb 26, 2020 07:19
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Basically the permitting of the remediation project has been dragging on forever and this is FERC’s way of lighting a fire under the owner.
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Feb 26, 2020 11:40
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Well I appreciate your concern but don't worry, I literally think that we're going to have a society-wide collapse inside of 20 years. So anything nice that happens is just a bonus to me. Hm. Have you read Collapse by Jared Diamond? While he has his issues (especially the problems with his Guns, Germs, and Steel - he's not an actual anthropologist), this book is really just a survey of different human societies that have collapsed and why that happened. I found it educational and interesting.
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Feb 26, 2020 17:11
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Sydin posted:The Santa Clara Water District plans to completely drain Anderson Reservoir because the dam containing it would crumple to dust in the even of an earthquake. I could write a lot about this but I'll just say LOL because I worked for years at SCVWD to restore fish habitat and passage for endangered steelhead (SCVWD are legally compelled to do this by lawsuits and continue to half rear end it) and now quote:Camacho also said that draining the reservoir starting in seven months is likely to kill wildlife downstream in Coyote Creek, including endangered steel head trout, amphibians and reptiles Dams are generally huge money sinks but Anderson is especially bad. SCVWD used to brag about how quickly Anderson was constructed
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Leperflesh posted:Hm. Have you read Collapse by Jared Diamond? While he has his issues (especially the problems with his Guns, Germs, and Steel - he's not an actual anthropologist), this book is really just a survey of different human societies that have collapsed and why that happened. I found it educational and interesting. If you liked Collapse I highly recommend J.R. McNeill. He's an environmental historian - I've read Mosquito Empires by him, but I've been meaning to pick up The Great Acceleration as well. I think it's an interesting look into how much the natural world around us shapes human history.
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Leperflesh posted:Hm. Have you read Collapse by Jared Diamond? While he has his issues (especially the problems with his Guns, Germs, and Steel - he's not an actual anthropologist), this book is really just a survey of different human societies that have collapsed and why that happened. I found it educational and interesting. I have, it's actually what started me down my current path! I don't want anyone to think that I'm a weirdo prepper or a doomsday guy, btw. Life will go on for a long time, but it will be very bad (by our current standards).
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Feb 26, 2020 20:47
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Bernie's "Inland Empire" (blech) operations gets a shoutout in this Guardian column. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/26/bernie-sanders-california-amazon-latino-activism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Feb 27, 2020 21:15
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Leperflesh posted:Maybe if we got rid of money in american politics somehow, like truly radical and comprehensive campaign finance reform, then a decade or two later it might become feasible for our congress to broadly reject the influence of billionaires. Right now, it's impossible. i mean, if we made the lives of billionaires and their congresspeople unlivable, something would happen. if they were harassed in public 24/7 it'd definitely move the needle, but it'd probably just be that they'd clutch their pearls and sic the police on us.
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OMGVBFLOL posted:i mean, if we made the lives of billionaires and their congresspeople unlivable, something would happen. if they were harassed in public 24/7 it'd definitely move the needle, but it'd probably just be that they'd clutch their pearls and sic the police on us. Billionaires spend surprisingly little time "in public."
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Feb 28, 2020 00:21
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right, but they do spend some, and their congresspeople spend far more
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OMGVBFLOL posted:right, but they do spend some, and their congresspeople spend far more Its this, is what I'm getting at. To get money out of politics requires forcing the politicians to pay more attention to the not-moneyed than the moneyed. Going directly after the moneyed with protests and stuff won't work, they don't care.
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hence why i said billionaires, and their congresspeople wrt the billionaires in this scenario it isn't to change their minds, it's to yell at them until they leave things like restaurants and... yacht operas or whatever the gently caress
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Feb 28, 2020 01:13
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I can't afford to go to the places billionaires hang out
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OMGVBFLOL posted:hence why i said billionaires, and their congresspeople they'd just get you thrown out and/or murdered lol
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Feb 28, 2020 01:40
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Bernie's "Inland Empire" (blech) operations gets a shoutout in this Guardian column. Inland Empire people receive the poo poo end of the stick for being Southern California’s logistics epicenter and it warms my heart that Bernie is out hear listening to all the people suffering. My son has mild asthma attacks in the summer and I know it’s due to the poo poo air out here.
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FCKGW posted:My son has mild asthma attacks in the summer and I know it’s due to the poo poo air out here. My wife has asthma and she's from Morro Bay, never had any trouble, moved down here with me and now uses an inhaler 1 - 3 times per week. One of the reasons we were trying to move out (looks like it's not going to happen with the housing market about to poo poo the bed, sadly. Didn't get it done in time).
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Feb 28, 2020 18:04
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:My wife has asthma and she's from Morro Bay, never had any trouble, moved down here with me and now uses an inhaler 1 - 3 times per week. One of the reasons we were trying to move out (looks like it's not going to happen with the housing market about to poo poo the bed, sadly. Didn't get it done in time). Do you have any air purifiers running in the house/bedrooms? Running 1 or 2 24/7 as help us hugely in pollen months
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Feb 28, 2020 18:37
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:My wife has asthma and she's from Morro Bay, never had any trouble, moved down here with me and now uses an inhaler 1 - 3 times per week. One of the reasons we were trying to move out (looks like it's not going to happen with the housing market about to poo poo the bed, sadly. Didn't get it done in time). I'm asthmatic. Air Purifiers help a ton. We have one running in our 1 bedroom apartment. Also, is she on any other asthma medication besides a rescue inhaler? I mean, i'm in Anaheim so the air quality is definitely not the best.
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Zuul the Cat posted:I'm asthmatic. Air Purifiers help a ton. We have one running in our 1 bedroom apartment. Also, is she on any other asthma medication besides a rescue inhaler? I don't think you grasp how bad the air is in the IE compared to OC  All the offshore flow winds that keep OC and LA from getting too smoggy get blown into the bowl-shaped IE and just hang there. Combine that with the exploding housing and warehouse industry bringing millions of new miles of car and heavy truck traffic and it really loving sucks. FCKGW fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 28, 2020 |
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Feb 28, 2020 18:58
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Yikes. Remind me to never move to the IE.
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And remember that's with all of the clean fuel and emissions standards that Trump is trying to force us to roll back by revoking our ability to set them.
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Thank you everybody for your concern, and yes we have an air purifier that runs 24/7 in the room. Right now we have a bad dust problem as well from all the remodelling tho, I'm sure that's contributing.
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make sure by "air purifier" you don't mean an ozone generator, which is actually creating poisonous gas that can severely irritate asthma, because those are apparently a thing for some goddamn reason https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/ozone-generators-are-sold-air-cleaners
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