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Whats the most hosed up thing that's ever happened to a ship of any registry in alpha canon
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Feb 27, 2020 22:12
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The aborted mushroom warp on the Glenn turning everyone into meat corkscrews was pretty gruesome
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Feb 27, 2020 22:17
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zoux posted:Whats the most hosed up thing that's ever happened to a ship of any registry in alpha canon I'm having trouble remembering all the different instances of this, but what happened to the original crew of the original Defiant in Tholian Web? Maybe they got transported to the Hell universe from Event Horizon. Also, is Tholian Web the very first episode with this premise?
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Feb 27, 2020 22:20
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Snow Cone Capone posted:The aborted mushroom warp on the Glenn turning everyone into meat corkscrews was pretty gruesome loving reapers
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Feb 27, 2020 22:22
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Longbaugh01 posted:I'm having trouble remembering all the different instances of this, but what happened to the original crew of the original Defiant in Tholian Web? Maybe they got transported to the Hell universe from Event Horizon. They went space crazy and killed each other. the Enterprise stumbling upon a place where everyone already went space crazy and died is one of the very oldest stock Trek plots. “Man Trap” implicitly takes place amid the ruins of the weird salt monsters’ civilization. In “Naked Time” it’s explicit that everyone went crazy and turned the heat off.
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Feb 27, 2020 22:30
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It's explicit in Naked Now too. I've only seen Naked Time once, was the TNG remake basically shot-for-shot or what?
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Feb 27, 2020 22:34
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Snow Cone Capone posted:It's explicit in Naked Now too. I've only seen Naked Time once, was the TNG remake basically shot-for-shot or what? Not quite shot for shot, but just about beat for beat. It’s so much the same plot that they even had the characters read up on the plot of the original episode! They couldn’t come up with anything as good as sword Sulu, alas.
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Feb 27, 2020 22:42
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It wasn't shot for shot, but it was similar. The problem with Naked Now is that it wasn't earned. It was the second episode of the entire show and everyone was acting all zany and weird, which didn't mean anything because we didn't know anything about any of them. Then it turns into an after school special at the end where Wesley is told to just say no to drugs. Edit: Though it seems the TOS episode wasn't much better. It was the 4th episode.
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Feb 27, 2020 22:43
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Did Naked Time have a reverse-cleavage outfit or just shirtless Sulu
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Feb 27, 2020 22:44
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Cojawfee posted:It wasn't shot for shot, but it was similar. The problem with Naked Now is that it wasn't earned. It was the second episode of the entire show and everyone was acting all zany and weird, which didn't mean anything because we didn't know anything about any of them. Then it turns into an after school special at the end where Wesley is told to just say no to drugs. The TOS episode created the personality of Spock, so I can see where they were coming from trying to repeat it. The point of that episode was NOT that everyone just acted weird, it’s that their deepest desires that they normally do not express came out. Chapel wants Spock, Spock wants to feel anything, Kirk wants to be loved, Sulu wants to be a hero, Riley wants to be a dick. It provides insight into the characters in a way that the TNG episode fails to.
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Feb 27, 2020 22:48
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Plus, The Naked Now is so much of a straight retread that it takes away from the episode because it doesn't add anything new. It's just "Naked Time except the TNG crew".
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Feb 27, 2020 22:51
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And also you don't know a single thing about the crew yet because it's literally the first post-pilot episode so maybe this is just how they act. Also it's infected the robot somehow. That episode pisses me off
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Feb 27, 2020 23:04
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zoux posted:Whats the most hosed up thing that's ever happened to a ship of any registry in alpha canon The whole rear end crew of the ship in “The Omega Glory” got melted into what looks like road salt and it gets totally ignored because Kirk taught the barbarians about the constitution, lol
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Feb 27, 2020 23:07
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If you think about it, the Naked Now was funny and all, but it all started from that derelict ship where everybody presumably died from being drunk and horny.
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Feb 27, 2020 23:11
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A little late to the guest star discussion, but Ethan Phillips deserves honorable mention - he plays two (unrelated) Ferengi and has that hilarious cameo in First Contact.
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Feb 27, 2020 23:14
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SlothfulCobra posted:If you think about it, the Naked Now was funny and all, but it all started from that derelict ship where everybody presumably died from being drunk and horny. If you think about it everytime Worf says "damage on decks whatever" a whole bunch of people got torched by plasma and hidden bulkhead rocks and if he says "hull breach" well that's the inky vacuum of space for Lt JG Wrong Hall Wrong Time. He was a botanist!
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Feb 27, 2020 23:16
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skasion posted:The whole rear end crew of the ship in “The Omega Glory” got melted into what looks like road salt and it gets totally ignored because Kirk taught the barbarians about the constitution, lol I mean, I'm not saying the planet-side plot was any good, but exactly how much more time did you want the episode to dwell on the issue of "a terrible disease annihilated the crew of the Exeter"?
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Feb 27, 2020 23:19
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There’s no saving Omega Glory, don’t get me wrong. It’s the indignity of it that’s funny to me. Yeah they all died, but have you heard about liberty and justice for all??
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Feb 27, 2020 23:25
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Didn't Worf eat a guy that one time he was turned into a lobster man?
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Feb 27, 2020 23:44
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skasion posted:The TOS episode created the personality of Spock, so I can see where they were coming from trying to repeat it. The point of that episode was NOT that everyone just acted weird, it’s that their deepest desires that they normally do not express came out. Chapel wants Spock, Spock wants to feel anything, Kirk wants to be loved, Sulu wants to be a hero, Riley wants to be a dick. It provides insight into the characters in a way that the TNG episode fails to. Sulu to Uhura, in full fencing mode: "I'll protect you, fair maiden!" Uhura: "Sorry, neither."
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Feb 27, 2020 23:47
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Admiralty Flag posted:"Naked Time" has one of my favorite bits of TOS dialogue: haha, that's excellent.
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Feb 27, 2020 23:50
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zoux posted:Whats the most hosed up thing that's ever happened to a ship of any registry in alpha canon The goop aliens from the demon planet in Voyager thought they were Voyager's crew, but when they started dying from radiation sickness and melting they realized all their memories and emotions were lies and died sending out a useless distress beacon to the real Voyager. It was also the extinction of an entire sapient race!
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Feb 28, 2020 00:01
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zoux posted:And also you don't know a single thing about the crew yet because it's literally the first post-pilot episode so maybe this is just how they act. Also it's infected the robot somehow. Plus it moved Wesley Crusher from 'annoying child' to 'why the gently caress hasn't he been locked in his room for the rest of forever' after he caused the whole ship in distress dilemma and instead gets rewarded and praised at the end.
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Feb 28, 2020 00:13
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zoux posted:Whats the most hosed up thing that's ever happened to a ship of any registry in alpha canon These loving jokers are wearing pajamas on the bridge. What the gently caress is going on? So it turns out that it's almost a hundred years in the future, everyone you left behind is dead and gone (unless you're a Vulcan), and you have to head back and spend six months in intensive cultural refamiliarity courses taught by a Betazoid, whatever the gently caress that is, except he knows when you're bullshitting your way through an answer, so I guess they're like even more obnoxious Vulcans...and he heard you thinking that. Goddammit. Worst part is there's no way you'll ever sit in a captain's chair again. Off to the historical research institute with you! At least you're not working third watch on a listening post like your first officer who threw a punch at that guy, whasshisname, Wart, Wolf, something like that. You'd think Day One of Welcome To Our Century Class would cover "Klingons are our buddies now so don't try to coldcock them at the bar."
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Feb 28, 2020 00:15
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Admiralty Flag posted:It's not body horror or anything, but honorable mention goes to the USS Bozeman (TNG "Cause & Effect", Captain Frazier Crane). You're toodling along in your nifty new ship when all of a sudden there's some sort of distortion and this weird Federation-esque ship pops out of nowhere, barely missing you. You're surprised and a little pissed, but you're a good captain and you hail them to see if they need help. Oh so that's why Frasier was always at a bar surrounded by other alcoholics
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Feb 28, 2020 00:25
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Admiralty Flag posted:Worst part is there's no way you'll ever sit in a captain's chair again. Off to the historical research institute with you! Semi-related, but I vaguely recall a 90’s Trek book where Captain Frasier nearly got the Enterprise-E chair over Picard for some reason. Imagine that alternate universe version of the TNG movies. 
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Feb 28, 2020 00:30
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Semi-related, but I vaguely recall a 90’s Trek book where Captain Frasier nearly got the Enterprise-E chair over Picard for some reason. I didn't read the book but I remember someone posting about it saying that it was a 'seniority' thing, and technically Captain Frasier had been captain for the longest. Dumb.
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Feb 28, 2020 00:44
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That's like how I joked at work that I should be accruing vacation time more rapidly, because the system had my hire date as April 2003, from back when I worked for this company as a student, instead of January 2018, when I actually started in this position.
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Feb 28, 2020 00:50
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SlothfulCobra posted:Didn't Worf eat a guy that one time he was turned into a lobster man? I don’t think he ate a guy (maybe nibbled a bit) but he certainly tore the guy apart (while he was sitting at the helm, somehow)
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Feb 28, 2020 01:10
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CPColin posted:That's like how I joked at work that I should be accruing vacation time more rapidly, because the system had my hire date as April 2003, from back when I worked for this company as a student, instead of January 2018, when I actually started in this position. For you it's a joke but I 100% guarantee that similar arguments have been attempted unironically in offices around the world
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Feb 28, 2020 01:12
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Snow Cone Capone posted:For you it's a joke but I 100% guarantee that similar arguments have been attempted unironically in offices around the world No doubt; I was only like 80% joking!
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Feb 28, 2020 01:20
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Admiralty Flag posted:It's not body horror or anything, but honorable mention goes to the USS Bozeman (TNG "Cause & Effect", Captain Frazier Crane). You're toodling along in your nifty new ship when all of a sudden there's some sort of distortion and this weird Federation-esque ship pops out of nowhere, barely missing you. You're surprised and a little pissed, but you're a good captain and you hail them to see if they need help. "Oh so we're friendly with the spoonheads now are we" "Dude, not cool."
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Feb 28, 2020 01:28
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Semi-related, but I vaguely recall a 90’s Trek book where Captain Frasier nearly got the Enterprise-E chair over Picard for some reason. It's been a long time but I seem to remember that book going with an Enterprise-A style setup, in that the E was an existing ship undergoing it's trial runs that was renamed to Enterprise and given to Picard after the D was lost.
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Feb 28, 2020 01:37
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How the gently caress did Kelsey Grammer, in the prime of his career, end up in a walkon role in TNG Also good answers on the ship questions, but for single individuals, does anything top Miles' 100 years of punishment in the hyperbolic time chamber zoux fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Feb 28, 2020 |
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Feb 28, 2020 01:47
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zoux posted:How the gently caress did Kelsey Grammer, in the prime of his career, end up in a walkon role in TNG Hey you want to be on Star Trek? poo poo yeah I do!
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Feb 28, 2020 02:34
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zoux posted:How the gently caress did Kelsey Grammer, in the prime of his career, end up in a walkon role in TNG gene was his hook up
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Feb 28, 2020 02:35
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zoux posted:How the gently caress did Kelsey Grammer, in the prime of his career, end up in a walkon role in TNG I mean it's not torture or punishment but Inner Light would probably drive a normal person insane if it happened to them
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Feb 28, 2020 02:38
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I think the worst fate for an individual is going to have to be somebody dying horribly or having a bunch of terrible things happen to them before dying horribly. Any trauma that you can walk away from you can at least hope to recover from. The Enterprise that saved Klingons only to go on to be destroyed and survivors enslaved and raped by Romulans probably is up there for bad fates for ships. Alt-universe Enterprise that went to see nearly the entire galaxy taken by Borgs and be the last survivors, only to die horribly when alt-Ryker tried to refuse returning to his dimension and got the thing shot and exploded for his troubles also seems bad. Kibayasu posted:I don’t think he ate a guy (maybe nibbled a bit) but he certainly tore the guy apart (while he was sitting at the helm, somehow) I'm pretty sure I remember them finding an eaten guy lying around that presumably Worf could've been responsible for.
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Feb 28, 2020 02:50
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zoux posted:How the gently caress did Kelsey Grammer, in the prime of his career, end up in a walkon role in TNG - Inner Light, as mentioned - Cause and Effect, if the crew started to remember all the months they apparently spent exploding and dying - It’s not exactly the same thing, but the Voyager episode where they find out they’re just jello copies of the real crew and nothing matters because they’re just xeroxes - Again, not the same thing, but any episode like Conundrum where the crew is implanted with false memories or given amnesia. That’s some hosed up poo poo to live with afterward.
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Feb 28, 2020 03:03
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I can't remember, in Parallels, are there any other Picards? There's a book with a Q plot I read when I was a kid and I don't remember what or why the alternate universe was the way it was but Jack Crusher was there and Q drove him insane by telling him that in all the multiverse, he's the only being who only exists in exactly one. I think it's the book where Tremaine is a Q
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Feb 28, 2020 03:08
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