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About 240 thousand US ones. Or 40 thousand more than the population of salt lake city, or almost exactly the population of fremont california. Or slightly more than the population of the entire urban sprawl of milton keynes. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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V. Illych L. posted:lol at his level every government in the world would give it to him if he asks I meant more how many people could he sponsor to full citizenship with the amount of cash he has. I'm pretty sure he could clear out every single internment camp in the US and still have enough over for most of the Syrian refugee population to move to France.
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If anyone wants to come to finland I'll marry you for $100
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Andrast posted:If anyone wants to come to finland I'll marry you for $100 can you gay-marry in finland?
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Andrast posted:If anyone wants to come to finland I'll marry you for $100 Selling yourself short there buddy, I'd pay at least 1k. The only good thing about golden visas is that Monica Bellucci goes to the same bookstore I go to.
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mike12345 posted:btw you can also join the french foreign legion and apply for citizenship after five years lol Also if you're wounded in action, you don't need to wait the remainder of your five years of service.
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mike12345 posted:btw you can also join the french foreign legion and apply for citizenship after five years lol I mean, it's better than the alternative of, just, not doing so. I bet plenty of people wouldn't mind if more countries and people were allowed that route. Service guarantees citizenship is a dream compared to the draconian immigration restrictions of the modern world. e: It makes me think back to one young Nigerian couple I read about on BBC who paid ten of thousands of dollars to spend a year getting smuggled across NA, getting raped twice in the bargain only to end up in a Lybian refugee holding camp and told to go back after being suitably brutalised. Their plan being living as illegal migrants in Europe. I bet they wouldn't mind enlisting instead, especially if they were paid a decent wage at the same time. e2: In fact let's do a public works "national service" program, I bet people from the developing world would sign up for it by the hundreds of thousands. It might sound distasteful but ultimately it's a guaranteed job and citizenship? gently caress I might do it if the US offered something like that and I'm a STEM professional from the "developed" world. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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Feb 27, 2020 18:40
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lemonadesweetheart posted:I meant more how many people could he sponsor to full citizenship with the amount of cash he has. I'm pretty sure he could clear out every single internment camp in the US and still have enough over for most of the Syrian refugee population to move to France. tbf even then he could just pay off the government itself, it's not like Trump of all people would turn down a couple billion and his moron supporters would think of it as him cucking Bezos or something likewise Macron would just ring up dollar/Euro signs in his eyes and rename France to the Fransyria
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Feb 28, 2020 11:13
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Junior G-man posted:Next step being the army? The islands are next to Turkey so there's military stationed there anyways. Fun fact, I did my term of army service in 2018, on Samos, which has similar migrant camp issues. The army hospital unit there has one or two people (including conscripts) doing shifts at the migrant camp to help out with health issues. I don't know if that's still the case or if it's standard for the units on other islands though.
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Andrast posted:If anyone wants to come to finland I'll marry you for $100 I'll do it for $150!
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Feb 28, 2020 13:11
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Man why would you pay those crazy Irish or French investment rates when Latvia is practically giving EU citizenship away. Residency, not citizenship. You still need 10 years to become a citizen. I'm a lot more OK with selling residency vis-a-vis citizenship. I think residency should mean "Hey, I'm not bothering anyone if I move here, am I?", and investing into legitimate business is a decent enough proxy for that (though it should be investment, not just spare cash - don't want Pablo Escobar to casually move in - and it should be proportionate - a worker buying a mortgage for a house signals a lot more than Bezos buying a palace). Citizenship means "I am a part of this nation, its well-being is my well-being, its people are my people" and that should not be purchasable in any way - except with your blood a la foreign legion.
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I have bad news about people buying vistas and investing in business. Unless invest in business means "inflating a huge housing bubble" Them selling that house. To a LLC. Which is based on the Netherlands. That you own. Through 3 different shell companies. That have po boxes in the Caymans. So that you don't have to pay housing taxes. Because you don't really live there.
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NihilCredo posted:Residency, not citizenship. You still need 10 years to become a citizen. Yeah but when your residency requirements to maintain it are "None". Aren't you basically just waiting until the timer ticks down before you get citizenship. Like you can get permanent residency in those cases and then never actually really live there.
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Brown Moses posted:Lots happening with Syria and Turkey this morning, feels like something worse is on the way Well, this is going to be interesting.
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Turkey's not seeking any friends right now, it seems.
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Oh hey , I see it's time for the seasonal shakedown, spring has arrived, erdogan right on time. Maybe this time we will send billions of euros AND military equipment, can miss those business opportunities for EU weapons manufacturers.
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Get ready for the Le Pen presidency. quote:France bypasses parliament to enact pension reform Every other party in France is too small or too hopelessly divided - the protest votes' gotta go somewhere and Le Pen seems to be the only real 'change' candidate out there so far as I can see.
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it's wild as hell watching liberal democracy just completely crumble in real time i seriously hope that the CGT's stalwart opposition to this travesty gives the french hard left some credibility, they've been the absolute heroes of the day despite it all
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Junior G-man posted:Get ready for the Le Pen presidency. Funny how every time Macron comes up with some evil as poo poo reforms the president uses a decree method that's meant to be for proper emergencies. Almost like the president of France is a puppet of big business and they need to storm the bastille once more for good luck.
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goddamn hollande was such a disappointment i'm still sore about that
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Tesseraction posted:Funny how every time Macron comes up with some evil as poo poo reforms the president uses a decree method that's meant to be for proper emergencies. With a bonus ban on public gatherings of more than 5000 people because of the coronavirus outbreak (wouldn't want the riot cops to get sick).
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Your retirement pension has traditionally been calculated from the last few years of employment, which are normally those where you were the best paid. The reform changes that to take into account all your years of employment, so as to drive the average down, and therefore reduce your pension. This is especially egregious for public sector where wages have always been dogshit. It's important to note that this reform has nothing to do with making retirement follow a universal scheme. It's just taking the pretext of universalizing the system to completely change it. And yes, I'm 100% sure that the coronavirus is why they decided to use 49.3 for it.
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Cat Mattress posted:Your retirement pension has traditionally been calculated from the last few years of employment, which are normally those where you were the best paid. The reform changes that to take into account all your years of employment, so as to drive the average down, and therefore reduce your pension. This is especially egregious for public sector where wages have always been dogshit. It's incredibly frustrating and I really don't know what we can do about it. One of the things that I liked about France was all the benefits and care for citizens. If it's just going to become US-lite, then why did I even come here? (We all know the answer is the food.)
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100YrsofAttitude posted:It's incredibly frustrating and I really don't know what we can do about it. One of the things that I liked about France was all the benefits and care for citizens. If it's just going to become US-lite, then why did I even come here? Macron was already historically unpopular right? I can't imagine this leaves him much better. And the next president could reverse it again right? If the left wing has been opposed to it they might be able to band together to stave of Le Racist. I mean Le Pen.
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An insane mind posted:Macron was already historically unpopular right? I can't imagine this leaves him much better. And the next president could reverse it again right? If the left wing has been opposed to it they might be able to band together to stave of Le Racist. I mean Le Pen. All I know is that I'm finally going to get my act together and ask for citizenship this summer so I can hopefully get it before the next election.
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An insane mind posted:Macron was already historically unpopular right? I can't imagine this leaves him much better. The thing is, he simply doesn't have to give a drat. Everyone who might possibly hate him already does and he still has his majority in the legislature. He's clearly banking on facing Le Pen in the next presidential election. An insane mind posted:And the next president could reverse it again right? If they win a majority in the legislature, which brings me to... An insane mind posted:the left wing ... able to band together Yeah, no, that's not likely to happen.
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Kassad posted:/snip Is the left that disparate in France or are they still licking their wounds? Just as an outsider looking in, there seems a lot of leftist sentiment to work with at moment, mostly relating to worker's rights and wages.
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An insane mind posted:Is the left that disparate in France or are they still licking their wounds? Just as an outsider looking in, there seems a lot of leftist sentiment to work with at moment, mostly relating to worker's rights and wages. I get the impression they just all sort of hate each other just enough to want to work with one another, and lack any sort of central/galvanizing organization to keep things focused. But that's an observation from a very ignorant foreigner living here.
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Pretty much. The actual parties are also still licking their wounds. The France Insoumise not so much but the Socialist Party is still sitting at the bottom of a crater. And they are in fact digging themselves into a hole still: https://twitter.com/partisocialiste/status/1233850322910621696 "Never has a government under the Fifth Republic shown such cynicism. Using fear to cutting down on democracy marks a worrying turn" This is bullshit, there was a government who pulled the same poo poo: Hollande's. They caused Macron's rise almost entirely due to enacting surveillance bullshit the right-wing could only dream of (as well as using the 49.3 process themselves) and losing almost all their voter base as a result. Kassad fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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the CGT is historically associated with the Communist party, but the big star of the left for the past decade or so has been the Parti du Gauche's (now morphed into the explicitly populist la france insoumise) jean-luc melenchon. in previous elections they made an impressive effort at banding together in a left front, but it's been falling apart and melenchon has been behaving somewhat erratically lately the PS is completely, stone dead. poor benoit hamon was too little, too late. were france america i would expect martinez, the CGT boss, to run. he's got credibility and toughness, but i don't think he's much of an orator and he hasn't got the all-important party organisation behind him. the PCF probably has enough local officials to lend him to get him into the race, but their structure isn't very strong and there are other ambitious people in that party. at any rate, i absolutely cannot see meluche standing down, and i can't see him making the second round without somehow grabbing all of the left. president of the republic martinez is probably going to remain the ticket of my dreams 
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V. Illych L. posted:the CGT is historically associated with the Communist party, but the big star of the left for the past decade or so has been the Parti du Gauche's (now morphed into the explicitly populist la france insoumise) jean-luc melenchon. in previous elections they made an impressive effort at banding together in a left front, but it's been falling apart and melenchon has been behaving somewhat erratically lately People also have pretty varying opinions on Melenchon. It's a love/hate thing with him it seems, so I don't see him getting all the left behind him, for better or for worse.
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Yeah, Méluche is not that great. He kind of strike me as the sort of politician who thrives in opposition and flounders when in charge: he's a great orator and very skillfull at denouncing the wrongs committed by those in power, but when he's the one in the hotseat he loses it quickly. Unfortunately, he's still the best the Left has to offer. Hamon left the PS after the PS backstabbed him as publicly as they could when he won the primary, but his splinter party is anecdotic at best. The PS itself died when Hollande decided to apply Macron's policies, and then died again when it decided to backstab its own candidate instead of going back to actual left-wing policies. The PCF hasn't been a serious force since the days of George Marchais. The other parties are likewise irrelevant.
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Kassad posted:The thing is, he simply doesn't have to give a drat. Everyone who might possibly hate him already does and he still has his majority in the legislature. He's clearly banking on facing Le Pen in the next presidential election. I can't see any possible way this could backfire
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The old siren call of the left, singing "Solidarity Forever" while desperately purging everyone with a slightly different view on some obscure debate in the 19th century Marx had when he was having a very normal one until all that is left if 50,000,000 individuals all calling themselves the true socialist party & everyone else a splitter or variations on that theme. You love to see it.
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Cat Mattress posted:Your retirement pension has traditionally been calculated from the last few years of employment, which are normally those where you were the best paid. The reform changes that to take into account all your years of employment, so as to drive the average down, and therefore reduce your pension. This is especially egregious for public sector where wages have always been dogshit. Man, France still follows that system? Italy switched over to that 'entire working life average' like, 20 years ago. It also shortly afterwards introduced some of the worst hot garbage labour "liberalization" laws that resulted in wages so low for people entering the workforce, they're basically expected to drag down their pensions to basically barely above guaranteed minimum even if they do in the end get some sort of decent position. Like, every generation of workers entering past 1995 is completely hosed. You guys need to go loving ballistic over this. In Italy we passed it with nary a peep because muh budget balancing and left movements were neutered long before. But there is still hope for France. Don't give up! Also, insanely bitter lols that Macron, the great hope of liberal democracy, is basically a garbage fascist much like the Le Pen he sought to keep away from power, and whose election he seems to want to guarantee.
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forkboy84 posted:The old siren call of the left, singing "Solidarity Forever" while desperately purging everyone with a slightly different view on some obscure debate in the 19th century Marx had when he was having a very normal one until all that is left if 50,000,000 individuals all calling themselves the true socialist party & everyone else a splitter or variations on that theme. You love to see it. i honestly, hand-on-heart believe that this is the growing pains of a left transfomation. the old neoliberal consensus is dying, and its guardians in the parties of the centre-left are fighting ferocious rearguard actions to try to prevent the inevitable. what they're acheiving is nothing more than to wreck their own parties - this can be seen in every major european country bar possibly spain. once the dust settles, the parties of the left can regroup and form new broad coalitions on a different basis. it's going to be incredibly painful, but it has to happen.
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There's been an election in Slovakia, bit of a weird one since just about every party ran on an anti-corruption platform after the recent scandals of the leftist government (we can argue how leftist exactly, but the minister for work and benefits was nicknamed "Venezuela" by the press, so, uhh, fairly left). Sadly it was won by a self-described Slovakian Boris Johnson with the left suffering a historic defeat, albeit that's not too surprising given that it was the governing soc-dem party which had the corruption (and journalist murder) scandals happen and they've been in the government almost continuously since 2006. There were centre-left parties running on an anti-government platform as well, but they didn't even manage to get past the minimum threshold (7% of the vote required). My Slovakian grandmother did vote for them at least. Kinda bummed about it, I don't live there or anything but it's not great for EU politics as a whole or for the Vysegrad/central european countries in particular. e: Especially if Czech Babis loses the next election on similar grounds, then all five (counting Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary + Austria) will be headed by right-wing shitheads. Not that I am a huge fan of Fico or Babis, but I'm willing to forgive a lot for left-wing policies. Though I wouldn't necessarily say it's all a single trend given the particular reasons for electing the right are so different, even if I'm sure the respective governments will try their hardest to make it into one: Hungary has been dominated by the right for a while, Austria has the whole anti-migrant backlash thing going, Poland has the nationalist dick-waving about Russia and Catholicism, Slovakia has had the Kuciak murder and in Czechia the soc-dem prime minister had the secret service follow his wife so that she wouldn't find out about his affair with his secretary, who was taking bribes for access to him. So there's quite a bit of variety in the reasons (and/or scandals) for why the left has lost. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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Private Speech posted:There's been an election in Slovakia, bit of a weird one since just about every party ran on an anti-corruption platform after the recent scandals of the leftist government (we can argue how leftist exactly, but the minister for work and benefits was nicknamed "Venezuela" by the press, so, uhh, fairly left). Sadly it was won by a self-described Slovakian Boris Johnson with the left suffering a historic defeat, albeit that's not too surprising given that it was the governing soc-dem party which had the corruption (and journalist murder) scandals happen and they've been in the government almost continuously since 2006. I was thinking if I post it, but here I am, with few facts about "centre-left coalition" which lost election: 1, One of coalition member, was our less racist, racist party : SNS. (Slovak national party). They are openly racist at least against Roma, Muslims ..... they hate Hungarians - you get it. (but at least they are not LARPing as Hlikova garda ( useful idiots for SS in Slovakia during ww2) in their free time, like our MORE racist party - LSNS ) 2,Smer particularly its leadership have contacts to Italian organized crime 3, Only left policy they passed recently was thirteen pension. Four days before election in attempt to boost preferences. Another law to increase children allowances didn't pass, with Fico remark: there is problem that Roma will get them as well 3, Leader of Smer ( left party) Fico have quite a few racists remarks. Like lot of them, which lead to indictment by law authorities. 4, Disgusting anti-immigrant rhetoric in attempt to boost preferences 5, Slovak republic ratified Istanbul convention in 2011 (ironically by then right-wing government). This centre-left coalition revoked approval, and in last weeks before election pushed our president to annouce council of europe that slovakia is not signatory (again hoping to push preferences higher) 6, same poo poo about Marrakech conference about migration and there is corruption, Jan Kuciak murder, Fico living in luxury complex owned by his "tax-free" friend. It is miracle that Smer still had 18% in election, but any coalition with them is kiss of death so left is dead here. Suicide by pandering to nazis and corruption. sorry for grammar, due the medications, my brain is poo poo.
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