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| R. Allin-Khan |
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6 | 1.60% |
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80 | 21.33% |
| D. Butler |
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72 | 19.20% |
| A. Rayner |
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| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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Tesco trip report: No TP, no pasta, no cooking oil, no bleach. But they did have frozen mushrooms! e: 80 is a Green Day song, the number of columns in IBM cards and terminals, the standard port for http, and the atomic number of mercury. Tesco did not have any of these. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Every other country in Europe has been under occupation and has seen cities become warzones and mass death Sweden and Switzerland and Portugal and depending on how you count it Spain all say hi 
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Mar 14, 2020 16:18
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In the scottish borders air ambo parked up localy according to facebook and i've heard 2 sets of sirens on the main road near mine in the last hour.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:20
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The gym is surprisingly busy considering the lockers all looked empty
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Mar 14, 2020 16:21
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feedmegin posted:Sweden and Switzerland and Portugal and depending on how you count it Spain all say hi
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Mar 14, 2020 16:21
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feedmegin posted:Sweden and Switzerland and Portugal and depending on how you count it Spain all say hi You get my point!
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Mar 14, 2020 16:23
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mediaphage posted:What? Brioche is perfectly fine for burgers. Brioche bad imo. Not on taste grounds, it just falls apart too easily!
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Mar 14, 2020 16:23
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Guavanaut posted:Spain and Portugal still have living memory of their own fash dictators though. The Spanish Civil War was my 'depending how you count it' bit yeah
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Mar 14, 2020 16:24
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Jose posted:The gym is surprisingly busy considering the lockers all looked empty 100% they'll be travelling home in their gym stuff and change at home. Hell I don't know if that's better or not.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:25
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd say if you are immune compromised or live with people who are, you'd have an extremely strong case in a tribunal if an employer tried to gently caress you over for refusing to work during a pandemic Hope you've been in that job for a minimum of two years or no tribunal for you, thanks New Labour/Coalition Government.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:26
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feedmegin posted:Sweden and Switzerland and Portugal and depending on how you count it Spain all say hi iirc sweden had that one day that they changed all the roads to driving on the right which i assume is the same level of social collapse that one would get from a significant international conflict
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Mar 14, 2020 16:27
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namesake posted:100% they'll be travelling home in their gym stuff and change at home. I never shower at the gym because I've not cooled down in time and just end up sweating again Someone just dropped the bar on a 210kg squat next to me and I only noticed because of the sound and if scared the poo poo out of me
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Mar 14, 2020 16:28
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feedmegin posted:Brioche bad imo. Not on taste grounds, it just falls apart too easily! Tbh I think that's just poorly made brioche. I wouldn't use sliced brioche for a burger, but you can make totally capable brioche buns. At the end of the day, brioche is just an enriched dough, and enriched doughs can be lovely with beef.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:31
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XMNN posted:for anyone who's curious
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kyojin posted:I'm 40 and this just cranked my anxiety 8000% cool. I know I'm still extremely unlikely to need it but loving hell. I'm 45, immunocompromised and am so far as I know still the world record holder for most severe loss of lung capacity in a self-admitted patient. This should make you feel better. E: Guavanaut posted:What about the 40-50% of life that is parasitic, and the 20% that is parasitic to the degree that it can't replicate without undermining a host's cellular biochemistry? They're in government, mate. Jedit fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 16:36
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feedmegin posted:The Spanish Civil War was my 'depending how you count it' bit yeah Well yeah but that's still widespread devestation. Also the UK is unique in that unlike Sweden, Switzerland etc it actually directly fought in WW2 but wasn't really subject to any significant mass disruption and destruction on anything like the same level as Germany, France, Italy, the USSR etc etc. The USA was kinda like this too I guess, which explains a lot, though I think Britain's proximity to the fighting is important here too. I might say hey, good job the channel was there huh, but for so many it's just  BRITAIN STRONK BLITZ SPIRIT and we've never had to really examine that attitude for the dumb poo poo it is, and that all merges into the imperial nostalgia to make a whole big toxic pot of implicit British exceptionalism that's been directly encouraged ever since and the only way to get rid of that - which is responsible for so many of the awful parts of our culture - is for it to blow up in the faces of those who can't stop swallowing it.Ideally it would be nice if this could be done metaphorically without actually killing tens or hundreds of thousands of grannies but here we are. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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I don't think anyone's really saying the government's experts don't know what they're doing, more that the thing they're doing (let everyone catch it instead of trying to stop it spreading) is bad. And their reasoning for why we should do it this way has barely been outlined, beyond "behavioural science says everyone will get bored and run around after 2 weeks so there's literally nothing we can do"
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Jedit posted:I'm 45, immunocompromised and am so far as I know still the world record holder for most severe loss of lung capacity in a self-admitted patient. This should make you feel better. There is no national guidance for who gets a ventilator, and certainly no age cut-off. Decisions will be made locally depending on demand, which may eventually include age as a big factor but it will still be a unit-specific decision. baka kaba posted:I don't think anyone's really saying the government's experts don't know what they're doing, more that the thing they're doing (let everyone catch it instead of trying to stop it spreading) is bad. And their reasoning for why we should do it this way has barely been outlined, beyond "behavioural science says everyone will get bored and run around after 2 weeks so there's literally nothing we can do" There seems to be a lot of misconception (encouraged by the government) about what other countries are actually doing. People are generally not being barricaded in their houses. The countries that have controlled it well like China and South Korea have set up mass testing and treatment programs and closed schools/cancelled all events. Neither of which are measures people can "get bored of" and ignore. It doesn't matter if people leave their houses if every time they enter a building they get their temperature taken and there are no mass gatherings for them to attend anyway. jabby fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Amidst the corona-chat, I finally found pure UKMT in video form https://twitter.com/NoContextHearn/status/1215340072616239106
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Mar 14, 2020 16:41
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Depressing thought: if the government's "lots of you will die, but stiff upper lip, eh what?" approach goes catastrophically wrong and there's a huge death toll, it's so early in their term that by the time the next election comes around they'll use the "but that bad thing happened years ago, let's concentrate on the issues of today" argument, backed 100% by the usual suspects in the media. And loads of people will fall for it and vote Tory again.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:46
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Well except most of the dead people will be their voters https://twitter.com/theryderathome/...ingawful.com%2F
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Mar 14, 2020 16:50
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Jedit posted:I'm 45, immunocompromised and am so far as I know still the world record holder for most severe loss of lung capacity in a self-admitted patient. This should make you feel better. Hi there, comprobuddy. There's some evidence that pregnant women are more likely to survive coronavirus and the conjecture is that it's due to natural suppression of their immune systems. The mechanism at play is that in the late stages of pneumonia, what can finish you off is your immune system falling into a positive feedback loop and getting a bit overzealous. It's popularly called a "cytokine storm" and was a bit of a thing back in the SARS days. So what I'm saying is, after all the puking, wooziness, anaemia, bouts of whooping cough and fleeing from the chickenpoxed, finally an upside.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:51
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I mean at this rate it's quite possible it will wipe out enough tory MPs that the byelections will knock out the majority 
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Mar 14, 2020 16:53
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I sort of want to believe that if it gets really bad (to the point where no one over 40 gets into an ICU and they're having to dig mass graves or what have you) and it is noticeably worse here than other places, that even the British public won't be able to forgive and forget on the other hand, the British public have never failed to disappoint me so I have 0 optimism I wouldn't be surprised if the only significant impact on the next election is demographic
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Mar 14, 2020 16:57
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jabby posted:There is no national guidance for who gets a ventilator, and certainly no age cut-off. Decisions will be made locally depending on demand, which may eventually include age as a big factor but it will still be a unit-specific decision. There's no national guidance about a ventilator age cutoff yet, because no way in hell does Boris want something like that floating around on paper with a government official's signature on it. Rather than becoming official policy, each health authority will be left to make it's own decision. The same with not banning mass gatherings until most of them have been cancelled of their own accord. As to testing, I heard a doctor on the radio today ridicule the herd immunity response due to the lack of community testing. If only people presenting at hospitals with symptoms are tested, how do we know if and when we've reached herd immunity levels of infection?
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Mar 14, 2020 17:01
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Pesmerga posted:Death count in England has doubled.
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Mar 14, 2020 17:03
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Traffic is completely dead looking at Google Maps. Got to go on a medicine run after I take my partner into work - will be interesting to see what it’s like.
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Mar 14, 2020 17:06
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Jose posted:Well except most of the dead people will be their voters Anyone know where those numbers of 32 and 42 % come from?
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Mar 14, 2020 17:07
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zhar posted:Anyone know where those numbers of 32 and 42 % come from? kopasetic posted:here is a discussion with an Italian ICU doc that was organized by JAMA so very reliable data. At ~13:15 they show the case fatality for Italy as of that time. 70-79 was 34.2%. 80-89 is 44.3%. That's Ebola type numbers.
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XMNN posted:I sort of want to believe that if it gets really bad (to the point where no one over 40 gets into an ICU and they're having to dig mass graves or what have you) and it is noticeably worse here than other places, that even the British public won't be able to forgive and forget Demographic effect is hugely important, though, because the breakpoint on Labour to Tory majority voting by cohort is now in exactly the same place where COVID-19 starts killing people in large numbers. Under-50s vote Labour and have a sub-1% mortality rate; over-50s vote Tory and the mortality rate basically triples per 10 years above 50.
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Mar 14, 2020 17:10
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Thanks. The tweet seems to be mistaken then, 60-69 is only 8.1% and the other figures are for 70-79 and 80-89. Still bad tho e: oh wait thats overall mortality rate, only 2.7% 60-69 with it died of the actual virus. that tweet is dodgy zhar fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 17:13
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Soylent Yellow posted:If only people presenting at hospitals with symptoms are tested, how do we know if and when we've reached herd immunity levels of infection? The government response to foot and mouth was far more enthusiastic but I suppose that's because unlike cattle, humans have no intrinsic market value that you have to compensate the owners for after you bulldoze their carcasses into a pit full of burning petrol.
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Soylent Yellow posted:There's no national guidance about a ventilator age cutoff yet, because no way in hell does Boris want something like that floating around on paper with a government official's signature on it. Rather than becoming official policy, each health authority will be left to make it's own decision. The same with not banning mass gatherings until most of them have been cancelled of their own accord. I don't doubt it will come to rationing ventilators, but it's just scaremongering to say "I heard the plan is nobody over 40 gets one". In the event you need a ventilator nobody can predict what the situation in your local hospital will be like at that specific time, so there's no point stressing just because your birthday was last week.
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why do we want to avoid a second wave? it seems like a good thing to have people infected now and then some infected later rather than EVERYONE getting infected at the same time.
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jabby posted:There seems to be a lot of misconception (encouraged by the government) about what other countries are actually doing. People are generally not being barricaded in their houses. The countries that have controlled it well like China and South Korea have set up mass testing and treatment programs and closed schools/cancelled all events. Neither of which are measures people can "get bored of" and ignore. Yeah it's a very low-information approach and I just think it's designed to put people at ease, make them think it's another stiff upper lip situation where everyone has to make sacrifices like washing their hands more, everything is fine we will prevail. It's like they know exactly what's coming down the track and they've decided to just let it happen, so it's soothing ocean sounds until then
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hemale in pain posted:why do we want to avoid a second wave? it seems like a good thing to have people infected now and then some infected later rather than EVERYONE getting infected at the same time. Depends on whether you're concerned about human lives or lost productivty due to quarantines and sickness, and which do you think motivates the tory to get out of bed in the morning?
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OwlFancier posted:Depends on whether you're concerned about human lives or lost productivty due to quarantines and sickness, and which do you think motivates the tory to get out of bed in the morning? Yeah basically, either the country is in start/stop mode until there's a good vaccine to distribute or you just let it rip through the first time and then rely on survivor immunity. It's a Profits before People approach unless they've got some really miraculous calculations out there and are keeping them hidden.
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Gammon rage Incoming https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/sta...ingawful.com%2F
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hemale in pain posted:why do we want to avoid a second wave? it seems like a good thing to have people infected now and then some infected later rather than EVERYONE getting infected at the same time. Shut up Coronamoaner
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