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legitimate question, were there any good union generals that didn't have hosed up opinions about indians?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You guys do know that Sherman wanted to genocide the indians and advocated wiping out the buffalo to help force them onto reservations?? that's really lovely. no doubt. but wanting to kill buffalo instead of native peoples sounds horrifyingly progressive for the time
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Smirking_Serpent posted:legitimate question, were there any good union generals that didn't have hosed up opinions about indians? lol no rofl
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not going to pretend im a historian or anything but i liked the flashman series. i think the author was a tory or something? i never picked up on that because he never seemed to paint a flattering portrayal of any of the historical figures he meant, and the main character isnt supposed to elicit empathy but one of my favorite bits from it is that flashman meets custard at a theater where he sees a really saccharine and lovely play but custer just breaks down weeping 15 minutes in because even though it was his job to commit genocide in the name of western expansion, and he loved it and thought he was great at it, he was apparently the kind of guy who would turn into a sobbing mess watching the 1800's equivalent of a lifetime movie. this was apparently documented pretty well based on the notes
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Mar 17, 2020 07:22
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I hope that one communist general had good opinions about native americans.
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the only ethical time travel use is to save jim hensonPittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Not entirely sure how you rebuild a functioning society when 40% of the population actively rejects anything "coastals" are doing out of spite
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Sounds like we need to find a new continent.
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Smirking_Serpent posted:legitimate question, were there any good union generals that didn't have hosed up opinions about indians? Grant was good after the war at least. Grant was surprisingly good in general. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ulysses-grants-failed-attempt-to-grant-native-americans-citizenship-180971198/
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Guys if you want a real lad you want Sumner. He gave a speech that condemned the south and called them out so bad that a fellow senator literally went insane and jumped him with a club and beat his head in. BUT Sumner went on to have a long political career and was pretty loving rad for his time. He wanted women and blacks to have full voting rights, thought that ex-slaves and Indians ought to be given their own land and, to top it all off, that the south should be treated like a colonised nation and their culture and heritage be lost to time.
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Mar 17, 2020 12:06
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John Brown in a megazord, stomping confederate morons, thats the dream
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https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1239716395006427137?s=21 Americans have loving lost their loving minds. Dead collapsed civilization in full Koo Koo crazy fantasy mode.
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it’s missing LGBTQ rainbow coloring but it’s a solid start
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1239716395006427137?s=21 the vast majority just don’t pay attention and the dems are too timid to call him out in the midst of a crisis
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:the vast majority just don’t pay attention and the dems are too timid to call him out in the midst of a crisis despite the republicans constantly whining that the DEMZ R POLITKASING THISS TRAJEDI
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1239716395006427137?s=21 Americans are bootlickers who attach themselves to the brightest beacon of money and power, that's no surprise. Critical thinking processes have intentionally and actively been cut out of primary education for decades now.
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Mar 17, 2020 14:09
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A good chunk of Americans like to think that this virus is a Chinese bioweapon made to make the Republicans and Daddy Trump look bad.
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Tesseraction posted:despite the republicans constantly whining that the DEMZ R POLITKASING THISS TRAJEDI the whining is strategic, just like they do against the media. intimidates critics and conditions their base to ignore criticism as partisan anywho trump's def on top of this crisis https://twitter.com/maxbergmann/status/1239753967585972226
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Mar 17, 2020 14:23
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Forceholy posted:A good chunk of Americans like to think that this virus is a Chinese bioweapon made to make the Republicans and Daddy Trump look bad. A new level of solipsism
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:the whining is strategic, just like they do against the media. intimidates critics and conditions their base to ignore criticism as partisan why would they wait to ramp up production
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Dustcat posted:why would they wait to ramp up production Profit motive, ICUs are cash cows because of limited capacity. 65K ICU beds in total across the country.
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Dustcat posted:why would they wait to ramp up production Can't risk having too much supply - inventory is the enemy. What you're seeing is the endgame of 40+ years of game-theory influenced policy. Yes, spending money on a bunch of respirators, whether or not we end up needing them, would be the repsonible, humane thing to do. But consider this: If you build the respirators and they save society, sure you look like a hero. If you build the respirators and it turns out the repirators aren't needed, society goes on, but you just wasted a bunch of money, and hoo-boy, investors are NOT going to be happy about that. Best to take the measured approach and wait for more information. You wouldn't want to act irrationally and without firm data. ChipNDip has issued a correction as of 14:30 on Mar 17, 2020 |
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Dustcat posted:why would they wait to ramp up production Presumably supply ramps up to meet demand - no demand? No need to supply.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:the whining is strategic, just like they do against the media. intimidates critics and conditions their base to ignore criticism as partisan 10/10, working hard!
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Yeah it's this. Not an emptyquote.
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Dustcat posted:why would they wait to ramp up production There's enough ventilators for those who could afford it. The rest....lol
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The rich already have access to privately-owned ventilators so there's no need to do anything.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Critical thinking processes have intentionally and actively been cut out of primary education for decades now. They really haven't, and the generational gaps show if anything the total oppsite.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Profit motive, ICUs are cash cows because of limited capacity. 65K ICU beds in total across the country. There's a lot of cost that goes into just having an ICU bed as well and hospitals generally don't want to have empty beds.
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Grape posted:They really haven't, and the generational gaps show if anything the total oppsite. Pardon me, the GOP has lobbied for years to cut critical thinking out of public education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html
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Nephzinho posted:There's a lot of cost that goes into just having an ICU bed as well and hospitals generally don't want to have empty beds. Hmm. Sounds like something that should be nationalized for the greater good, don't you think?
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1239716395006427137?s=21 I really can only just close my eyes and shake my head here. But I will point out that we haven't really reached the actual crisis (this is kind of the thing about this virus, the effects of actions today don't appear for like a week and a half) and seeing pictures of full hospitals and accounts of people dying might change some minds. But at the end of the day he's going to say it's China's fault and all his cum-chugging goons are going to cross their arms and nod their heads and say that they should throw hillary into the mix.
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bollig posted:I really can only just close my eyes and shake my head here. But I will point out that we haven't really reached the actual crisis (this is kind of the thing about this virus, the effects of actions today don't appear for like a week and a half) and seeing pictures of full hospitals and accounts of people dying might change some minds. But at the end of the day he's going to say it's China's fault and all his cum-chugging goons are going to cross their arms and nod their heads and say that they should throw hillary into the mix. This crisis hasn't even really begun. The optimistic scenarios are 1.1 million dead Americans by the end of the year - basically a 9/11 every single day until 2020 ends. We'll see just how much enthusiasm there is for God Emperor Of The US once that starts hitting.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Pardon me, the GOP has lobbied for years to cut critical thinking out of public education. Yeah well anywhere outside the Texas textbook no-go zone anyway.
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FMguru posted:At the start of a crisis there is often a spike in support of the President (9/11 being the most striking example). As the crisis continues, support ebbs away, especially if the crisis is mishandled. The 1979 seizure of the US embassy in Tehran gave a big bump to Carter's approval rating, but that bled away over the next year (especially with the complete failure of the rescue mission) and became a huge liability once the election rolled around a year later. 42.5% approval rating His supporters will basically just say it's not his fault. It was a virus what's he supposed to do? When Trump spoke yesterday he said something like "well be fine so long as all Americans are smart and take precautions" and I was like "so we're hosed then?" I mean the bulk of his base is calling this a hoax, etc, etc.
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FMguru posted:At the start of a crisis there is often a spike in support of the President (9/11 being the most striking example). As the crisis continues, support ebbs away, especially if the crisis is mishandled. The 1979 seizure of the US embassy in Tehran gave a big bump to Carter's approval rating, but that bled away over the next year (especially with the complete failure of the rescue mission) and became a huge liability once the election rolled around a year later. yes but it's going to be really key to hammer home how other countries have done better, otherwise it'll be easy to write off the suffering as unpreventable otoh trump is incapable of behaving himself to unite the nation in a crisis so he's never going to get the full 9/11 "steady leadership" bump
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:yes but it's going to be really key to hammer home how other countries have done better, otherwise it'll be easy to write off the suffering as unpreventable the election is going to hinge a lot more on Dem turnout than the Trumpstaffel, who are absolutely not within 6 months of turning on him. His base was already 95% the exact people who turn out to vote Republican every election no matter what and his national approval rating since taking office has been effectively a flat line the entire time, you could call his popular vote within half a mil right now. I guess covid could turn out to selectively only kill chuds but given the dems are currently pivoting to exclusively appeal to old people lmfao A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 17:27 on Mar 17, 2020 |
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Been waiting for this for 2 months https://twitter.com/DjRodgers1231/s...ingawful.com%2F
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