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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Nah we are a closed production environment mostly b2b sales. We basically do everything outlined already. Masks hand sanitizer gloves. We deliver everything we sell so again, masks Sanny gloves. I have gallons of sanitizer/alcohol on hand for trimming and cleaning etc as a normal inventory item. We're in a similar situation, where there are times we have to walk past someone in a space that's about 6' wide, or I'm standing at a machine next to a coworker and we get to the distance where we'd be able to shake hands with arms outstretched or a bit closer. All we can do is do our best to stay back as much as possible, limit any gatherings to 4 people or less, keep that sanitizer ready, spray down doorknobs (and doors themselves, we've noticed we grab the doors themselves to close them - sanitizing the knob doesn't help if you don't grab the knob!), make sure we change out clothes right when we get home, etc. And we have our suppliers (heat treat, grinding, deburring, and yes, the uniform supply companies that make sure we have rags - it would be hard to operate without rags) that we're working with that are probably going to stay open. We have our clients that are making extra sure to tell us we're an essential company for national defense, and how are we going to keep this work going without the suppliers and service companies that support us? I mean, they're still spinning parts in Italy. Not gonna get rah-rah 'Merica on anyone, but if we're all deemed essential, we gotta keep coming in.
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lol the custom furniture maker across the street from us is still in full swing. Taking in logs and everything. loving NOBODY is obeying the order right now. I imagine it's gonna get stamped down on soon because it's going to be obvious that it's being flagrantly disregarded at all levels.
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Chomp8645 posted:lol the custom furniture maker across the street from us is still in full swing. Taking in logs and everything. loving NOBODY is obeying the order right now. I imagine it's gonna get stamped down on soon because it's going to be obvious that it's being flagrantly disregarded at all levels. Custom furniture lol they are about to die dude. Every day of business is a check mark on the bucket list for a business like that. The recession will kill them within months. Watch the cars in the lot go from 15 to 3 over a few week span
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I’m on the coast in LA and there is still poo poo going on at the beach. The hang gliding company is still up and running with people there. Also I feel the need to point out that Italy has to close all of its parks today because it’s still not slowing. We are in for a world of hurt.
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Kon-tiki has awesome drinks would recommend
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MarcusSA posted:I’m on the coast in LA and there is still poo poo going on at the beach. The hang gliding company is still up and running with people there. Yeah it looks like things in LA are getting desperate https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-county-gives-up-on-containing-coronavirus-tells-doctors-to-skip-testing-of-some-patients/
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Eh, as the article points out they're just putting in writing the thing we've known for weeks now. Containment isn't realistic so it shouldn't be the focus of various health services.
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Im a little unnerved that while there are some apocalyptic reports coming out of NY, there doesn’t seem to be much news at all out of LA, the Bay Area, Sacramento... It’s been five days of lock down and I have no idea if things are getting better or worse.
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Testing is the most important thing we can do and we are failing at that. Testing and isolation. Not testing is going to cause a huge collapse of the medical system this is a 100% fact.
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MarcusSA posted:Testing is the most important thing we can do and we are failing at that. We are failing at both. I only go out to walk the dog and people in my neighborhood are closely congregating on block corners talking about how crazy this all is. We are looking at a lot of dead people in the LA/OC areas. Centrist Committee posted:Im a little unnerved that while there are some apocalyptic reports coming out of NY, there doesn’t seem to be much news at all out of LA, the Bay Area, Sacramento... It’s been five days of lock down and I have no idea if things are getting better or worse. TheAgent fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Mar 21, 2020 |
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TheAgent posted:We are failing at both. I only go out to walk the dog and people in my neighborhood are closely congregating on block corners talking about how crazy this all is. I am in LA and I’m a critical worker and things are not looking good in the slightest. I’ve had two co workers who had the symptoms but they said they won’t get tested because they aren’t critical enough. It’s going to get scary in LA I have no doubts in my mind. The response has been anemic at best.
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SF Bay Area on the other hand is doing relatively well. The cases have dropped in the last two days, and health workers here are reporting that hospitals are still doing fine (although slightly low on PPE).
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ntan1 posted:SF Bay Area on the other hand is doing relatively well. The cases have dropped in the last two days, and health workers here are reporting that hospitals are still doing fine (although slightly low on PPE). We are short on supplies to send with the outreach teams and out to shelters, as well PPE for medical folks.
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I went out to get groceries and the cashier who rang me up was wearing gloves and handled all five people in front of me, then me, without ever changing them. She also insisted on handling my ID for the alcohol purchase instead of just letting me show it to her and hold it for her to scan. Also while I was paying she noticed some random object on the ground and just picked it up, again with the same gloves, then handed me my receipt with the same hand. This poo poo infuriates me so much. Ditto the morons walking around with facemasks on like it's going to do them any loving good. Actual medical facilities are having PPE shortages because dipshits and dipshit companies are buying them all up and then not even using them correctly. So many people treating gloves like they're magical anti-viral forcefields when in fact to be effective they'd have to be changed constantly to be effective. God we are so loving insufferably stupid as a species.
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Sydin posted:I went out to get groceries and the cashier who rang me up was wearing gloves and handled all five people in front of me, then me, without ever changing them. She also insisted on handling my ID for the alcohol purchase instead of just letting me show it to her and hold it for her to scan. Also while I was paying she noticed some random object on the ground and just picked it up, again with the same gloves, then handed me my receipt with the same hand. Even in normal times the janitorial staff do this at the last two places I worked. Cleaning toilets? Wear gloves! Make sure to keep them on as you navigate the building opening doors and checking cabinets in the common areas between bathrooms. Aces.
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What's sad about facemask wearers is that almost none of them wear goggles, which as COVID can transfer via the mucous membranes of the eye, people thinking they're cool with a mouth/nose covering are mainly protecting other people from them, not themselves. One of my neighbor's college age kid came home as their school was shutting down and they had a date with their girlfriend in their driveway with one on each end and they were talking across the length (easily >15 feet). It was pretty 
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Sydin posted:I went out to get groceries and the cashier who rang me up was wearing gloves and handled all five people in front of me, then me, without ever changing them. She also insisted on handling my ID for the alcohol purchase instead of just letting me show it to her and hold it for her to scan. Also while I was paying she noticed some random object on the ground and just picked it up, again with the same gloves, then handed me my receipt with the same hand. I feel like this is too much moralizing and not enough focusing on the core problems: 1. The government didn't step in and bar the sale of PPE to anyone but hospitals. Unfortunately, letting the free market run amok here was an obvious mistake. 2. People aren't really getting trained on how to properly use PPE in jobs where it could be useful. It could be argued that we need grocers and we need them to not get sick so people can buy supplies they need. But they're not getting trained so giving them PPE is a complete waste in every way. The larger problem here is in these emergencies we need a planned economy to properly coordinate allocation of resources, and the free market is not sufficient to the task at hand. We can focus on the stupidity of individuals, and it is cathartic to complain about it, but there is a greater more insidious stupidity in keeping a market economy at all.
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I've got a supply of PPE because I do woodworking and automotive maintenance at home, I haven't bought any in like a year. Not everyone who is wearing gloves is hoarding them. Also, a lot of places just don't have enough PPE to spare to let people use it properly, and are making the fairly understandable decision that "a little is better than nothing." Wearing a dust mask but no eye protection is probably marginally more protection against other people's sneeze droplets, then wearing nothing at all. If you're uncompromised and you have a mask, it'd be reasonable to wear it.
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:I feel like this is too much moralizing and not enough focusing on the core problems: Yeah. The government should be nationalizing factories right now to pump out PPE and medical supplies. We have the NDAA and everything for just such occasions because even the champions of the free market admitted in the past our government needs the ability to stop the gluttonous profit grab for a minute when our population is in danger. There's no path but a whole bunch of short-term bleeding-heart socialism right now if the goal is to minimize the body count. I left my apartment for the first time in a week to go to Safeway. They had their self-serve bins of nuts and dried fruit wrapped in a hundred layer of plastic wrap to keep people out of them. I encountered an older guy who was hovering around his wife with his arm stretched out to keep people away from them. And like three other people that made any sort of effort to not walk as close by me as they normally would. I'm guessing there were the same amount of older people in the store as usual but a loooooot less younger folks than usual. The road by my apartment sounds just as busy as ever even after the Placer County shelter-in-place order came down Thursday.
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Sydin posted:I went out to get groceries and the cashier who rang me up was wearing gloves and handled all five people in front of me, then me, without ever changing them. She also insisted on handling my ID for the alcohol purchase instead of just letting me show it to her and hold it for her to scan. Also while I was paying she noticed some random object on the ground and just picked it up, again with the same gloves, then handed me my receipt with the same hand. Yeah you need to chill on the grocery clerks. A lot of these people are buying their own PPE because work isn't providing it. My cashier this afternoon was wearing a home depot face shield. Their first priority should be protecting themselves which your clerk was doing. Wearing different gloves would be spitting in the ocean in a grocery store anyway because of the dirty conveyor and customers handling and farting all over the merchandise
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Didn't Newsom say a bunch of testing was coming online like a week ago? What happened to that? It seems like testing is still relatively sparse here.
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Seph posted:Didn't Newsom say a bunch of testing was coming online like a week ago? What happened to that? It seems like testing is still relatively sparse here. It's increasing, and better than most of the country. But still lower than it should be.
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Sydin posted:This poo poo infuriates me so much. Ditto the morons walking around with facemasks on like it's going to do them any loving good. They didn't wear the bottom strap and kept getting close to people to look at carts and ask questions. Someone else was done paying and unhooked their little disposable surgical mask to make a call. They rubbed their eyes during said call. 
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Also, masks are meant to protect the public from the wearer, and not the other way around. There’s still some protection, but it’s not really going to protect the person wearing it from what’s around them. People wanting to actually filter the air they breath need HEPA cartridge respirators and for a lot of people they’d see more lung stress/damage from the respirator than what coronavirus will do to them. Edit: dual strap N95 face masks are decent at both inlet and outlet filtration, but yeah, most people don’t wear them right and even then there’s some question about the protection they provide the breather against pathogens. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 22, 2020 |
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CA has ramped up testing very rapidly (84% increase since Wednesday), it’s just that viruses tend to go, you know, viral so it hasn’t caught up to the rate of the infection yet. Things are going to get worse the next couple days because all of the lockdown stuff being done now won’t be reflected in the number of cases for a couple days. The lockdowns now don’t really do anything for the people who’re already infected.
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I'm a county employee and one of the higher ups posted a FAQ about getting called in to work as an emergency worker at one of two centers. Theres not going to be any health testing or ppe, just cleaning of surfaces/hand washing and 6 foot social distancing. Its not for sure yet that we'd be getting called in but....yeah... getting stuck with a whole bunch of people in 1 of 2 locations does not seem like a genius plan. Especially if its just to answer phones or something.
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HelloSailorSign posted:What's sad about facemask wearers is that almost none of them wear goggles, which as COVID can transfer via the mucous membranes of the eye, people thinking they're cool with a mouth/nose covering are mainly protecting other people from them, not themselves. Uhh... yeah? That's kinda the point? That's why people in Japan wear them, for the sake of others. Also some guy wearing a painting mask or 3M face cover is not taking PPE away from medical professionals I hope you guys know.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Uhh... yeah? That's kinda the point? That's why people in Japan wear them, for the sake of others. I know a ton of people who are wearing masks thinking it protects them, not others. I had to explain that to literally all my operators when they started grabbing N95 masks out of our storage room to protect themselves. 
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ntan1 posted:SF Bay Area on the other hand is doing relatively well. The cases have dropped in the last two days, and health workers here are reporting that hospitals are still doing fine (although slightly low on PPE). They did a stat dump so overnight santa clara jumped 30%, alameda jumped 50%. The state will be over 10000 cases inside of 2 weeks. We're just getting started.
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LA is only at 350(ish)! We are doing great! We aren’t doing great.
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Sundae posted:I know a ton of people who are wearing masks thinking it protects them, not others. I had to explain that to literally all my operators when they started grabbing N95 masks out of our storage room to protect themselves. Surgical masks contain droplets from the person wearing them. Properly worn N95 respirators block droplets from coming in (and if they have exhalation valves, don't block going out)
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Foxfire_ posted:Surgical masks contain droplets from the person wearing them. Properly worn N95 respirators block droplets from coming in (and if they have exhalation valves, don't block going out) i've found that actually getting a proper fit with a n95 respirator (the paper/fabric ones with the metal nose strip, not the fancy reusable silicon/plastic masks with replaceable cartridge filters) is pretty dang tricky, at least with my face shape (flat and fat), so i imagine a lot of the general public using them aren't getting much of the potential benefit in the incoming direction either. in most cases (untrained user and improper fit) they probably give equivalent personal protection to a loose fitting surgical mask. Oneiros fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Mar 22, 2020 |
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The state has apparently been doing random sampling testing to determine the spread of the virus, even of people that show no symptoms at all and have no known exposure. That's really good because it's probably the most rigorous way to map the spread, but the fact that apparently the results lead them to shut everything down is uhh not great.
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Still Dismal posted:The state has apparently been doing random sampling testing to determine the spread of the virus, even of people that show no symptoms at all and have no known exposure. That's really good because it's probably the most rigorous way to map the spread, but the fact that apparently the results lead them to shut everything down is uhh not great. That the state shut everything down when they did is absolutely great. New Yorkers keep talking about how great a job Cuomo is doing, and uh... he's doing a loving terrible job. California shut down before testing even became really available and as more and more testing ability comes online, it is starting to look like we've got a shot at under 2% of the state population dying. 
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