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MarcusSA posted:Honestly I’m not sure how feasible something like that is. I have to imagine if they tried something like that it would be blocked by the courts. It won't happen. Some place institutes it, it gets challenged in the courts, and it gets slow walked over a few months and then we're on the case number downswing and it goes away quietly.
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Sydin posted:I just don't think that would be politically feasible here. Maybe if/when we descend into Italy levels of deathrates and hospital impact something like that could gain traction, but for now there's no way in hell the populace at large would put up with it. It will get bad sooner than you think. Right now cases in the US are growing way ahead of where it was in Italy before they did a country-wide shelter in place. Every country has averaged pretty much the same 1.33x daily case increase during the exponential growth phase. https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/1241822325143715842 Today the US has 34,000 cases, that means: Tomorrow: 45,220 Tuesday: 60,143 Wednesday: 79,990 Thursday: 106,386 Friday: 141,493 Saturday: 188,187 Sunday the 29th: 250,288 As long as it remains exponential, it will get bad more quickly than you think.
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Chomp8645 posted:Same here. As far as I can tell the industrial world instantly came up with ~reasoning~ why their business is "essential". Only bars/restaurants and (most) retail are complying. It's a farce right now and they'll have to come down with a much sterner order plus threat of enforcement to actual put us in a shutdown. We'll see what this next week brings. I don't know about California but in Nevada the order concerned "public facing businesses". Job sites that don't interact with the general public like construction sites, manufacturing, truckers carrying more toilet paper because idiots won't stop doomsday prepping etc are probably are not gonna be super spreaders, and allow some people to make a wage while the feds have failed to suspend capitalism status quo with regards to credit cards, insurance, and the other usual suspects. If I didn't have to take care of vulnerable people, if this was ten years ago, I'd go get one of those jobs at the grocery warehouses or something because the supply chain is being strained and stores and their distribution centers are practically hiring anyone who is willing to work, and not giving too much of a poo poo about employment gaps or experience. The unemployment rate is gonna explode, but in the short term people who can collect unemployment are probably not going to head back into the workforce until this poo poo grows at a slower pace.
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Sydin posted:I just don't think that would be politically feasible here. Maybe if/when we descend into Italy levels of deathrates and hospital impact something like that could gain traction, but for now there's no way in hell the populace at large would put up with it. Plus American police can't be trusted to enforce things like this without shooting a bunch of people to death.
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Mar 23, 2020 07:49
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It's a cultural thing probably. Maybe it's a problem with the English language itself. America perversely worships the individual. Basically to the point where limiting the free expression of a disease vector to travel about is a suggestion for that person, even if limiting that individual is better for the whole. It plays out in countless political theaters from guns to benefits.
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Mar 23, 2020 08:40
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Lol sure, PG&E did something public and good yesterday. Because today... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-23/pge-pleads-guilty-to-84-counts-of-manslaughter-over-paradise-fire quote:Pacific Gas & Electric announced Monday it has pleaded guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter related to California’s most destructive wildfire that burned much of Paradise, Calif., in 2018.
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Leperflesh posted:Lol sure, PG&E did something public and good yesterday. Because today... Ah, the good 'ole fine the corporation for less than 1% of their annual profits for decades of malfeasance play. Surely this time the executives will learn their lesson.
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Leperflesh posted:Lol sure, PG&E did something public and good yesterday. Because today... ahahaha less than $50,000 per person they admit to killing. Definitely going to serve as a deterrent for a multi-billion dollar concern in the future. But at least the local DA's office got their payout, which is the real victory.
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Keep in mind this is just the criminal prosecution. Victims and their survivors can still sue in civil court: but at the moment I believe they and their lawyers are essentially parties in the company's bankruptcy as a substitute for that, and that's where the real financial hit will be for the company. But it's still gross as gently caress to basically have a company say "yeah we did the manslaughters" but no individual or group of humans gets hit with any responsibility, as if a corporation could somehow kill people without human decisions that caused it.
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Leperflesh posted:Keep in mind this is just the criminal prosecution. Victims and their survivors can still sue in civil court: but at the moment I believe they and their lawyers are essentially parties in the company's bankruptcy as a substitute for that, and that's where the real financial hit will be for the company. To quote The Devil's Dictionary: Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
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Leperflesh posted:But it's still gross as gently caress to basically have a company say "yeah we did the manslaughters" but no individual or group of humans gets hit with any responsibility, as if a corporation could somehow kill people without human decisions that caused it. Being a corporation is the best of both worlds. You're a person legally so you can be found guilty of crimes (instead of executives), but you're not a person physically so you can't be sent to jail.
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Mar 23, 2020 18:04
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Leperflesh posted:Keep in mind this is just the criminal prosecution. Victims and their survivors can still sue in civil court: but at the moment I believe they and their lawyers are essentially parties in the company's bankruptcy as a substitute for that, and that's where the real financial hit will be for the company. The corporate veil is bullshit, gently caress it. In any just legal system, the CEO and entire board of directors would get 10 years in prison for each person they killed, all of their assets seized, and the company municipalized. They've been following this exact same pattern of: 1) ask for rate increases to do maintenance 2) slashing the actual maintenance budget 3) pocket the difference since the goddamn 90s. This isn't an accident, this is murder. 
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Class Warcraft posted:Plus American police can't be trusted to enforce things like this without shooting a bunch of people to death. Yeah there's that too. People need to loving stay inside but empowering cops to enforce it in this country is not a recipe for success. Leperflesh posted:Lol sure, PG&E did something public and good yesterday. Because today... This poo poo is just going to keep happening and they'll continue to get away with it until the state steps in and takes their asses over.
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My understanding is that PG&E’s bankruptcy process is “get your poo poo in gear by June or else you’ll have to sell yourself to the state.” This is probably elementary because otherwise it would have been a foregone conclusion.
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Craptacular! posted:My understanding is that PG&E’s bankruptcy process is “get your poo poo in gear by June or else you’ll have to sell yourself to the state.” This is probably elementary because otherwise it would have been a foregone conclusion. We're giving you one more chance not to incinerate dozens of people, or else we're going to pay you a fair price for your company while inheriting your horribly degrading and out of date assets!
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Mar 24, 2020 00:20
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My wife & I went out to target this weekend in the Fullerton/Anaheim area to grab some essential groceries. Maintained distance as much as possible from other people, washed our hands after & wiped everything down. There's been a significant drop in traffic in my area. Businesses are taking closing seriously, no restaurants are open to the public, the streets are fairly empty. Even target was mostly empty. I have to go out every day due to my work being essential (healthcare), so I'm able to gauge traffic somewhat. There's been a major drop. The worst spot I've seen it at is my apartment complex, where groups of 10-15 children are gathering to play, smokers are gathering together to socialize and folks are just kinda hanging out.
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:We're giving you one more chance not to incinerate dozens of people, or else we're going to pay you a fair price for your company while inheriting your horribly degrading and out of date assets! I suspect a state takeover does not include buying out the stockholders. The reason the company is bankrupt is because, nominally at least, its liabilities are larger than its ability to pay, which implies a zero value of the stock; the reason the stock is above zero is the implied settlement of those liabilities; the state likely isn't obligated to accept a settlement of those debts that is generous to the stockholders. E.g., the threat of takeover is a genuine threat to PG&E's owners, not a potential benefit.
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Leperflesh posted:I suspect a state takeover does not include buying out the stockholders. The reason the company is bankrupt is because, nominally at least, its liabilities are larger than its ability to pay, which implies a zero value of the stock; the reason the stock is above zero is the implied settlement of those liabilities; the state likely isn't obligated to accept a settlement of those debts that is generous to the stockholders. I'm sure all of the retirees whose pensions depend on PG&E will be ruined. Let's put a pin in this and see if the c-level execs get golden parachutes and consulting jobs in about 6 months.
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Zuul the Cat posted:My wife & I went out to target this weekend in the Fullerton/Anaheim area to grab some essential groceries. Maintained distance as much as possible from other people, washed our hands after & wiped everything down. There's been a significant drop in traffic in my area. Businesses are taking closing seriously, no restaurants are open to the public, the streets are fairly empty. Even target was mostly empty. The park/playground in my neighborhood must have had 50 people/kids there yesterday. It was pretty wild.
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sincx posted:I fully expect "pandemic" to be added to the list of objections to the next housing bill. Why would there need to be a new housing bill, thousands of units are becoming available due to AirBnB collapse and soon there will be tens of thousands of deaths to free up more units of housing. Trump is completing the YIMBY goals.
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sincx posted:I fully expect "pandemic" to be added to the list of objections to the next housing bill. China and South Korea, with their famously non-dense cities lmao death 2 the new york times
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fermun posted:Today the US has 34,000 cases, that means: In less of a shitpost response to the stupid rear end NYT article, this was my post at 10:30ish pm yesterday, today at 10:30pm it was at 46,145. Covid comin', baby, and it won't spare us urban or rural, but urban at least is gonna have the ICU beds to have a lower fatality rate, rural areas are gonna get absolutely smashed. Things are going to be so so so very bad.
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Zuul the Cat posted:My wife & I went out to target this weekend in the Fullerton/Anaheim area to grab some essential groceries. Maintained distance as much as possible from other people, washed our hands after & wiped everything down. There's been a significant drop in traffic in my area. Businesses are taking closing seriously, no restaurants are open to the public, the streets are fairly empty. Even target was mostly empty. I live in Riverside and driving home from work in Anaheim freaked me out a bit since it was lighter than a Sunday morning. Not a single slowdown and this was without FasTrack. I was home in 25 mins.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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If you're worried about hours being cut: https://www.askamanager.org/2020/03/if-your-hours-have-been-cut-you-can-collect-unemployment-benefits.html
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I live in Riverside and driving home from work in Anaheim freaked me out a bit since it was lighter than a Sunday morning. Not a single slowdown and this was without FasTrack. I was home in 25 mins. Every time I see folks gathered outside I think about how light traffic is when it’s normally bumper to bumper. Anaheim to Riverside is 25 mins is nuts. I think far more folks are staying home than going out.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Every time I see folks gathered outside I think about how light traffic is when it’s normally bumper to bumper. it's because people want to distance themselves from Corona
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:The park/playground in my neighborhood must have had 50 people/kids there yesterday. It was pretty wild.
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Mitsuo posted:it's because people want to distance themselves from Corona +1 to this post
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FilthyImp posted:Kids are pretty much sick of being at home all day and a park is a nice way for them to Yeah, my sister hasn't done this yet and her kids are going fuckin' bonkers. I mean, they always would, but now they wake up and ask "is the bad cold gone yet?" and it's just like drat dude.
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Mitsuo posted:it's because people want to distance themselves from Corona Ba dum pshhhhhh They’re gonna have to change the name of that city
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Mitsuo posted:it's because people want to distance themselves from Corona  very nice.
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FilthyImp posted:Kids are pretty much sick of being at home all day and a park is a nice way for them to Totally, but it's just wild to see parents let their kids run around a million other kids when there's a pandemic sweeping the world. My 10yo totally had a meltdown because she couldn't sleep over at her friends house. She understands why perfectly well, but after a week of being stuck in the house, all of them are getting stir crazy. Thank god breweries in my area are selling to go cans or delivering or I'd be going bonkers too. We've been passing the time by doing a lot of family board game/video game/movie nights, but that only works for so long.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I live in Riverside and driving home from work in Anaheim freaked me out a bit since it was lighter than a Sunday morning. Not a single slowdown and this was without FasTrack. I was home in 25 mins. I drove home from OC to IE at 5pm yesterday. I haven't done that in a decade.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Totally, but it's just wild to see parents let their kids run around a million other kids when there's a pandemic sweeping the world. Normalcy in this time is a little nutty. quote:after a week of being stuck in the house, all of them are getting stir crazy.
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When I was a kid and we got rowdy my dad would have us perform hard labor for the glory of the collective. Now I post here. Maybe you all should try the same?
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LA is still loving up the testing. Guy at work got tested 6 days ago and his results are not back yet. Another guy called because he has the symptoms and they said they wouldn't test him. The news from the SF homeless shelters is scary too.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Totally, but it's just wild to see parents let their kids run around a million other kids when there's a pandemic sweeping the world. Introduce your kids to D&D or something so they can have an indoor hobby that still feels exciting and imaginative and new
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My phone and watch keep getting repeatedly blasted with Nevada County emergency messages to stay home. I live in Placer County.
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