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So I've realised I should get round to voting in the Labour leadership election before it's too late. Keir Starmer strikes me as a competent centrist technocrat with a place in any shadow cabinet but who definitely shouldn't be leading the party. Assuming that's right, who's better out of Rebecca or Lisa?
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pumpinglemma posted:So I've realised I should get round to voting in the Labour leadership election before it's too late. Keir Starmer strikes me as a competent centrist technocrat with a place in any shadow cabinet but who definitely shouldn't be leading the party. Assuming that's right, who's better out of Rebecca or Lisa? RLB isn't super exciting, but her heart and brain are in the right place. Lisa Nandy is Blue Labour (I don't mean that metaphorically, I mean the actual 'what if socialism but more nationalist (and also less socialist)' Blue Labour organisation). Avoid, avoid, avoid.
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Mar 24, 2020 20:18
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: Yes, me and some of my relatives 'weird cold' a few weeks ago, my neighbour I was talking to this evening said she never gets a cold said she had a weird 3 week cold late Feb/March. And I still have this cough but I get a cough every spring that goes on for weeks.
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Julio Cruz posted:lol if you don't think a group of Rugby Ruperts would get violent, like if one of them tears their North Face gilet Ah gently caress. I can't believe you've done this
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Mar 24, 2020 20:20
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RLB is the only candidate who hasn't pledged to reduce the power of members (for the purpose of keeping socialists out). She's also the only candidate in respect of whom you can definitively rule out the possibility of going full fash at some point.
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pumpinglemma posted:So I've realised I should get round to voting in the Labour leadership election before it's too late. Keir Starmer strikes me as a competent centrist technocrat with a place in any shadow cabinet but who definitely shouldn't be leading the party. Assuming that's right, who's better out of Rebecca or Lisa? nandy earned some points for me for being the first labour candidate to "WTF" at the herd immunity strategy, which is basically my minumum bar for any sort of competence or literacy. the blue labour stuff is likely overblown coz the thread decided instantly to back RLB and all i've heard over the past few months is just that they support her or something RLB has been picking apart the gov plans and making suggestions since then though and its all decent, needed stuff. personally i picked speccy wrong daily as my first choice then frau nandy second, i dont think i'd change that
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Mar 24, 2020 20:21
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It looks like I slept on the panic buy run in home gym equipment so I've filled two sandbags with 60kg of builders sand I had knocking around in the garage. Here's to getting prison ripped
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pumpinglemma posted:So I've realised I should get round to voting in the Labour leadership election before it's too late. Keir Starmer strikes me as a competent centrist technocrat with a place in any shadow cabinet but who definitely shouldn't be leading the party. Assuming that's right, who's better out of Rebecca or Lisa? Check out their twitter feeds. Keir Starmer's feed on Coronavirus is frankly pathetic and looks like it was cobbled together by an intern. RLB has made some excellent points. I haven't looked at Nandy's.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yes, me and some of my relatives 'weird cold' a few weeks ago, my neighbour I was talking to this evening said she never gets a cold said she had a weird 3 week cold late Feb/March. the thing i think might have been covid me and my partner are recovering from we probably caught from my parents. my cousin also reportedly had his whole flat knocked out by a crazy illness recently so it is possible its already been doing the rounds
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Mar 24, 2020 20:23
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Communist Thoughts posted:nandy earned some points for me for being the first labour candidate to "WTF" at the herd immunity strategy, which is basically my minumum bar for any sort of competence or literacy. lol, you really can't see the dogwhistles in an article like this?
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pumpinglemma posted:So I've realised I should get round to voting in the Labour leadership election before it's too late. Keir Starmer strikes me as a competent centrist technocrat with a place in any shadow cabinet but who definitely shouldn't be leading the party. Assuming that's right, who's better out of Rebecca or Lisa? Lisa Nandy was noticeably backed by the Jewish Labour Movement and Jess Phillips endorsed her after dropping out to give you some idea of the direction of her support. The articles she's been writing seem pretty vacuous and devoid of detail IMHO. There's a bit more meat behind Long-Bailey's candidacy I think, although the Continuity Corbyn label has really stuck and will no doubt damage her in the future with the wider public.
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Didn't Nandy make some comment about teaching the ungrateful Scots what's what or something along those lines? That was the alarm bell for me.
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Nandy is the unionist terminator candidate, yes. She also ran owen smith's campaign in 2016 just in case you want an idea of what she thinks is most important. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: That followed by a long dry cough and loss of lung capacity that I'm only just getting over, so I've been avoiding gatherings and distancing as much as practical for almost 4 weeks now, and it'd be just my loving luck if I just get over it as they lock down the country and advise me to stay in for 12 weeks, but I can't know for certain because they're not doing any loving testing.  And this also pisses me off because I kinda wanted a decent rifle crossbow and they're all being stockpiled by people who will never use them, or worse. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Check out their twitter feeds. Keir Starmer's feed on Coronavirus is frankly pathetic and looks like it was cobbled together by an intern. RLB has made some excellent points. I haven't looked at Nandy's.
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Mar 24, 2020 20:39
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: You know I joked about having the coronavirus last month, but I'm beginning to wonder. It definitely wasn't a cold - very little snot, no sinus blockage which normally cripples me with even a mild cold, and I had a hell of a fever for a week and two weeks of a (low-level) dry cough, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the flu - no aches and pains, no lack of energy. However I did have a very sore throat didn't have anosmia or any lung symptoms apart from the cough (which at the time I put down to postnasal drip), so it probably wasn't COVID. Definitely wasn't a normal cold though.
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Mar 24, 2020 20:39
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Darth Walrus posted:lol, you really can't see the dogwhistles in an article like this? the most damning thing is how banal it is. corbyn talked about migrants undercutting peoples wages, the only sentence actually even addressing immigration in the pablum is quote:And we need to understand that in towns like mine, freedom of movement meant opportunities for people from other countries. They felt that others had the chance to come and work at the local hospital, while local people weren’t able to train as nurses, because the government had cut the nursing bursary. which is a fairly accurate reflection of what some voters were saying in 2019. that people feel abandoned by the government but think labour will give opportunities to people who aren't them. hell i'm the same, i don't like tories cause they give opportunities to rich fuckers but not to everyone else. its just latched onto immigrants for some people. the training thing is also pretty much true, when i was doing my professional qualifcation a couple years back, maybe 2 other students were british and everyone else was from the EU. one of our clients is a very poncy london thinktank and none of them are british, they're all young, very smart foreigners. highly educated people from countries with superior education systems are cleaning up in the UK while the populace is neglected because what does capital care if the workers are local or not? corbyn's also correct and boring observation was more dogwhistley than that. the only thing that seems like anything approaching a dog whistle is the london elites thing, but whats that even a dogwhistle for? honestly yeah lol gently caress the london elite quote:For decades now, Labour hasn’t been listening to what people are trying to tell us. About the decline of local economies and high streets. A loss of trust in politicians and in us, to deliver on our promises. We’ve offered policy solutions devised by a small group of people behind desks in central London, when the deafening cry from people out in the country was for more power and control over their lives and communities, and a new national story in which they felt they had a role to play. What does seem clear from reading that article though is that she's rubbish either way lol no solutions, no vision, just vaguely identifying a problem
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On a sidenote, what the gently caress is up with Tripadvisor's UI these days? Click on restaurant page. "#1 of 51 restaurants in Snoozeville". Click on the "51 restaurants in Snoozeville" link. Find the restaurant down at number 30 in the "Top restaurants in Snoozeville" list, below other places with 3.5, 4, 4.5 and 5 star ratings. This restaurant has a 5* rating. If there's a logic here, I'm not seeing it.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:Didn't Nandy make some comment about teaching the ungrateful Scots what's what or something along those lines? That was the alarm bell for me. are you sure she wasn't just singing one of the other verses of the national anthem
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Should be noted that 3-2 months ago my mother had a dry cough that wouldn’t gently caress off for ages and a fever and got over it, and now has the rona (both tested and came back positive, my dad is incredibly high risk but isn’t showing symptoms). Flu shots were late this year so a lot of people got colds and whatnot that wouldn’t usually have done. .
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christ, the labour leadership election is still dragging on Wuhan lockdown’s starting to be lifted now, and the infection there was first reported the same week as the election here
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So my sister just got back from her shift as a nurse on her first day back from annual leave (though aware that some of this may be common knowledge): - Nurses are being randomly selected to go on Covid wards, as there is a lot of staff sickness - These nurses are being sent with masks and gowns being their full 'protection' - Full PPE only if they are inserting things into the patient's throat or if the patient is having cardiac arrest I know I mostly lurk but just felt like I had to vent somewhere
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I feel like randomizing staff is a good way to make sure everyone gets it as fast as possible...
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Mar 24, 2020 21:02
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I'm on an online seminar for another half hour - seems like Pratt Hancock is speaking. Can anyone summarize?
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: I'd like to believe this but does the experience of closed environments like the Diamond Princess not contradict that reading? I've had a low level postnasal drip and occasional tight chest for weeks now which I attributed to pollution and allergies. Also had a very mild fever about a month ago. If the advice was wrong and I've accidently put my parents at risk by moving back with them despite isolating 14 days with no headache, fever, sore throat, dry cough, or difficulty breathing, I'll never forgive myself.
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: I don't understand how this could possibly be true given the current rate of positive tests is about 1 in 10. It would surely require a significant proportion of the people being tested to have already had the disease and completely recovered from it, within a ~4-8 week window prior to the test taking place.
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It's counter intuitive.peanut- posted:I don't understand how this could possibly be true given the current rate of positive tests is about 1 in 10. It would surely require a significant proportion of the people being tested to have already had the disease and completely recovered from it, within a ~4-8 week window prior to the test taking place. The new test detects if you've ever had it? Whereas the current one tests if... You... Are within a 7-14 day window of having it? I dunno. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: If it is true then can they explain the stats? We've had 424 dead out of a population of 66 million, so if we assume that 40% of people have already been infected then the deaths should level out at about 1,000. Italys population is 60 million so if the death rate is 1000/66million, or 1/66k, then they should have about approx 909 deaths. They've had 6,820 so far, and although it seems to be slowing it doesn't seem to be tailing off....
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peanut- posted:I don't understand how this could possibly be true given the current rate of positive tests is about 1 in 10. It would surely require a significant proportion of the people being tested to have already had the disease and completely recovered from it, within a ~4-8 week window prior to the test taking place. The common currently used test can only tell if you currently have it, iirc. Recovery in 4 weeks doesn't seem unreasonable?
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Given the us senator stock sell off after they were pre warned about the impacts of Corona you gotta assume Prince Harry had inside knowledge before deciding to do one to the Canadian wilderness?
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Loonytoad Quack posted:I've decided this is the only news about coronavirus I'm going to believe for now: someone posted that in the cspam thread earlier, and while it would be absolutely amazing news and I hope to be disappointed, I'm not sure I believe it. the main problem as far as I can see is that this would need the vast, vast majority of cases to be (at least mostly) asymptomatic which doesn't really chime with the observations on the diamond princess, where 45% were asymptomatic at time of testing positive according to the CDC report. I can't quite work out if that means none of them then went on to develop symptoms, because it gives the number of people in intensive care as a a proportion of the people who were symptomatic when tested which could mean that they were the only ones who were ever symptomatic. Even if they were all totally asymptomatic for the entire course of the disease, that still leaves you with 55% of cases exhibiting some sort of symptoms, 10% of whom require intensive care and 2.4% of whom died. the passenger age skews high (median of 69) but even so, I don't see how this could possibly have silently infected 30,000,000+ people in the last couple of months without us noticing Korea and China's experience also contradicts this unless there are a huge number of asymptomatic cases that haven't been caught by contacting tracing also, assuming exponential growth, wouldn't most of the people who have been asymptomatically infected have been infected in the last couple weeks or so? if so, surely you'd expect more than ~10% of tests to be coming back positive as lots of people would just be wandering around with it regardless of if they fit whatever criteria you need to meet to get a test now
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duckmaster posted:If it is true then can they explain the stats? Yeah it doesn't quite seem to add up... Also also, if it were true we wouldn't have 8,000-ish positives out of tens of thousands of tests done. Even if we were just testing purely randomly it wouldn't be such a ratio, but given that we're only testing those who are like, symptomatic (or rich lol), we should be seeing an even higher ratio of positive tests if the infected numbers were anything like that high.
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Elon Musk does it again: Ed: OK apparently he was right. I didn't read far enough down. Mea Culpa. https://twitter.com/EricHaywood/status/1242140370919493632?s=20 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:On one hand, it encourages people to stay at home, on the other, that's like an Uber level slap on all the sex workers camming through the lockdown. dunno how much you know about pornhub premium but it supports its own cam service I pay for pornhub because it's the best service for the money by far, afaik. I like to get VR porn sometimes, and real amateur stuff -- PH has a mix of all that at a fee that's much cheaper than any dedicated site (admittedly the VR stuff tends to be 2-3k and not 4-6k, but that will change in time).
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I can't afford to be spending thousands of pounds on vr porn I'm afraid.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Elon Musk does it again: Read a bit more and he's right.
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My mum just came home in tears because River Island management sent round an email saying if the staff in the warehouse where she works take any time off 'as long as there's continuity of work' it will be considered unauthorised and unpaid. And there was no hand sanitiser in the whole loving warehouse. None. This has to be illegal right?? I've told her to call Citizens Advice tomorrow, meanwhile I'm frantically emailing round everyone who might possibly be able to do something 
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Read a bit more and he's right. Yeah, Musk's a dick, but in this case he's right. https://twitter.com/matponta/status/1242178406659358720?s=20
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