Dooguk posted:

Has anyone asked the Citizens where they think the Vice President of MarketingPresident is?

Popete posted:

Popete posted:

uint46 wouldn't necessarily cause a compiler error, they could have defined their own data type. In fact I can almost guarantee they did because Chris demanded they use their own never done before data types that are super efficient.

Agony Aunt posted:

Why are they accepting investors? Isn't the money from the backers enough?

It's earmarked for marketing specifically, because they don't think backer money should go to anything but actual development.

Oh look, the narrative is back to it being just for marketing.

Didn't take long for them to flip flop on that one.

Dooguk posted:

Has anyone asked the Citizens where they think the Vice President of Marketing is?

TheAgent posted:

also I should distract myself as much as possible with star citizen things like a complete workup of issues with their funding tracker because I created a model for covid19 "worst case" in the US and its getting pretty accurate and that makes me loving weep. like literally weep. because the number at the end can't be loving real so I must have done something really really stupid like sum instead or add or whatever and I'll just go with that or maybe I am still really bad with sql and excel and poo poo, for I am a dumb

so star citizen numbers numbers which don't loving matter, I'll get on that. that will be good. lol chris roberts

Fallom posted:

please do literally anything else besides make up amateur spreadsheets that are apparently making you cry

Agony Aunt posted:

Why are they accepting investors? Isn't the money from the backers enough?

It's earmarked for marketing specifically, because they don't think backer money should go to anything but actual development.

Oh look, the narrative is back to it being just for marketing.

Didn't take long for them to flip flop on that one.

TheAgent posted:

no free fly event. in fact, nothing really to note on releases besides a new palette swapped ship sale

3.9 doesn't really add much besides new interiors/broken rear end prison gameplay lol and they yanked that from the PTU (I believe the evocati have it sporadically)

I wanted to see if there was a spike the last few months to correlate with the near double funding amounts, and the "citizens per day" marker is as steady as ever. in fact, it's been rock steady since mid 2019, where I believe the numbers finally just went "lol gently caress it, whatever, here we made $12m this month lol!"

I'll probably do a bigger analysis on backer numbers at it relates to funding tracker dollars at some point, because lol its so outlandish. I work with companies that spend $300m to $500m a month and poo poo like SC would instantly stand out to me as a data problem.

really, for me, I should see some kind of hit thanks to economies crashing and people suddenly stuck at home. I was expecting the accounts to rise substantially over the last few days, which would explain new people stuck at home needing something new to play, and maybe an increase in spending to account for this. this, obviously, is not the case

anyway I should stop rambling and actually do a really deep dive into the funding tracker because at a glance I can 100% tell you something is very, very wrong with the numbers being reported there. there can always be reasons why the numbers are off, of course (like counting giveaway/gift ships as revenue, which has been claimed here) but without access to the pure, raw data I can't really say either way

Pilz posted:

I think this is a real possibility. How much time do major investors have to look into the nitty gritty of the project, and how many of them have the background in video games to tell them that what they see is abnormal?

Sarsapariller posted:

None, and I doubt they'd care. The whole point of speculative investors like the Calders is they have more money that a normal human being can conceive of, so they just kind of fling it at anyone with a halfway credible business plan and hope to strike gold. This is how half of the gigantic tech startup catastrophes get going. Chris, in this regard, looks far more like a safe bet than most of these tech companies- he has a fan base and an income stream and hundreds of employees and a history of released games. He also has trouble in his recent past, which means investment in his company is going for cheap. It's a perfect deal as far as the Calders are concerned. Remember, Clive Calder is worth 5.2 Billion. 50m to him is probably the equivalent, in dollar terms to us, of 1% of whatever is in the bank account at this moment.

It's literally chump change

Quavers posted:

/r/Games: Cloud Imperium Raises Additional $17.25M Investment from Existing Investors

Good to know even in these terrible times, Star Citizen has somehow found another 18 million dollars to prop itself up.

it’s good to see indie games like this succeed, now the game has a modest budget of ~300M usd. It’s impressive what some devs can do with such a small budget

this is so inspiring. gonna go mortgage my house right now to preorder another $10,000 virtual spaceship. i know that's not much for a struggling dev like them but it will be worth it someday!

I'll buy two, God knows they need it more than I do! 😊

I too think its sustainable to have half a dozen studios working for a dozen years on a project that by release everyone who is interested in it will have bought in already or seen it for the whale simulator it is.

Quavers posted:

465,248,161,583 aUEC earned from 2,005,216 missions completed. That's 232,019 aUEC per mission. wot

Great catch. I looked into this and we had an error in our reporting. It should actually be 10,145,404,211 total aUEC earned. We'll update the number on Monday and double check for any other errors. Thanks all!

Quavers posted:

Average Unique Users Completing Missions Per Day = 9,924

Quavers posted:

Average Unique Users Completing Missions Per Day = 9,924

Armitag3 posted:

I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a ship's worth; mechanics are going bust; bartends keep a turtle under the counter; commanders are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.

We know the oxygen is unfit to breathe and our nutri-protein is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our roadmaps while some local junior dev tells us that today we had fifteen bugs and sixty-three delays, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!

We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.

It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out any more. We sit in the subreddit, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, "Please, at least leave us alone in our cockpits. Let me have my floating datapad and my spaceship jpgs and my steel-belted prison systems, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone."

Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.

I want you to get mad!

I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your CIG rep, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the corona and the inflation and the Goons and the lying in the books.

All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.

You've gotta say, "I'm a backer, goddammit! My dreams have value!"

Quavers posted:

Average Unique Users Completing Missions Per Day = 9,924

Xakura posted:

Heyy, that's solid numbers.

Not quite the same, but elite's daily peak is about 10k
https://steamcharts.com/app/359320

Ofc, assuming their self reporting is accurate.

Lord Stimperor posted:

Perturbator uses that sample at the beginning of their I Am The Night album, it's pretty sweet

Quavers posted:

Unique users per day is different to concurrent users per hour

Quavers posted:

Unique users per day is different to concurrent users per hour

Xakura posted:

I am aware, but that is the only Elite numbers I have.

Quavers posted:

If you want to compare Star Citizen player numbers to other games directly, it gets 1300 players per hour. CIG accidentally published that stat before CitizenCon

Quavers posted:

If you want to compare Star Citizen player numbers to other games directly, it gets 1300 players per hour. CIG accidentally published that stat before CitizenCon

Quavers posted:

If you want to compare Star Citizen player numbers to other games directly, it gets 1300 players per hour. CIG accidentally published that stat before CitizenCon

Xakura posted:

Heyy, that's solid numbers.

Not quite the same, but elite's daily peak is about 10k
https://steamcharts.com/app/359320

Ofc, assuming their self reporting is accurate.

Sarsapariller posted:

The cognitive dissonance you are currently experiencing is the result of the thread echo-chambering "two months tops, investors surely going to pull out any day now" to itself for the last 6 months.

I repeat: corporate decision making is far stupider than you can possibly conceive. They aren't going to pull out yet, they are making good money off of the sales that Chris tells his fans are still the main source of income for the project, and none of them, fans or investors are tech savvy enough to grasp that the game itself will never come out. They think they'll keep making a steady stream now and a big chunk when it releases.

G0RF posted:

Who said they were going to pull out? Not easily done when they’re not publicly traded and can’t just dump shares even if they wanted to.

The assertion (mine, Havs, a few others at least) has been that despite holding a small percentage, the Calders negotiated meaningful controls. That such controls would allow them to impose organizational changes over CIG. Over Chris. That Chris might have far less control than he did prior to their investment, regardless of being still the spokesman / founder / head, particularly if internal milestones have been missed.

Also suggested - that a party to be named later might have been tasked to take over Squadron and push a minimum viable version out.

I still believe both these things.