Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race? This poll is closed. |
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R. Allin-Khan | 6 | 1.60% | |
R. Burgon | 80 | 21.33% | |
D. Butler | 72 | 19.20% | |
A. Rayner | 35 | 9.33% | |
I. Murray | 5 | 1.33% | |
P. Flaps | 177 | 47.20% | |
Total: | 375 votes |
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big scary monsters posted:I don't think that's true of Microsoft's offerings. Teams is wank and Skype for Business too, but AFAIK you pay Microsoft for the licenses and that's the product, not your data. Doesn't mean you aren't giving Microsoft access according to their, uh, versatile privacy policy. Now they're not supposed to use that data and have proper security controls over the access. Which requires you to trust Microsoft has invested significant money into vetting everyone with access and making sure the access controls work properly under all conditions.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:12 |
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Speaking of privacy concerns,https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52095331 posted:A coronavirus app that alerts people if they have recently been in contact with someone testing positive for the virus "could play a critical role" in limiting lockdowns, scientists advising the government have said. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52095331 Looks like it's almost time for a game of "how much is your privacy worth". (Sidenote, in America they've started using anonymised ad tracking data to track the volumes of people in different locations and their flow, so there's at least a way to do *some* of this without being as invasive as this proposition)
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:27 |
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endlessmonotony posted:Doesn't mean you aren't giving Microsoft access according to their, uh, versatile privacy policy. This is supposed to be why government offices were moving towards open source stuff (as well as meaning that charities could correspond with them without needing to buy Office) but I see that's gone well. blunt posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52095331 willie_dee posted:Everyone should also tell their loved ones how they feel about them, I get that it feels that stuff will never happen to them, but that's how most people feel, then it does, and then its too late. It seems a lot more awkward than a will when it comes up though. Like with a will people accept that they will eventually die, but they don't want to accept that they will eventually go through the process of dying.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:34 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I don't wanna sound like an arse but is there some way to disable all the crap that appears under people's avatars without disabling the avatars themselves if you have ublock (and it probly works in adblock or whatever too) you can add this to My Filters in the dashboard thingy CSS code:
(or click yr mousewheel and move down and let it all serenely scroll past like a waterfall of posts)
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:37 |
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Guavanaut posted:If you look at that Zoom meeting screenshot they're also using Outlook for all of their emails, so if you don't trust Microsoft they're already hosed. (God I wish it broke the GDPR, I want to go back to Thunderbird...)
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:39 |
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How does the app monitor who you are in contact with? Does it know if you are in regular contact with extremists? Does it measure your speed on roads? Does it have a dead man's switch that checks you haven't put the phone away?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:41 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:How does the app monitor who you are in contact with? Does it know if you are in regular contact with extremists? Does it measure your speed on roads? Does it have a dead man's switch that checks you haven't put the phone away? Or live in the many parts of the country with zero mobile phone signal!
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:42 |
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My phone can't even tell which direction I'm facing on roads, I've driven halfway to Liverpool with the phone saying I was going sideways up the M6.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:43 |
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It doesn't matter what way you're facing when you contact the corvid. I invented that app in this thread like a Fortnite ago.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:47 |
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Guavanaut posted:My phone can't even tell which direction I'm facing on roads, I've driven halfway to Liverpool with the phone saying I was going sideways up the M6. Were you doing an extremely long drift?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:48 |
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Using Microsoft is absolutely fine in terms of GDPR and nearly every big business you’ve ever used and not known about are using it. Teams is significantly less wank than other options now.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:50 |
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What is the Zoom alternative? Also, what makes Zoom as a company especially lovely compared to the competition?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:51 |
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OwlFancier posted:Were you doing an extremely long drift?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:53 |
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Munin posted:What is the Zoom alternative? Some more tech savvy people around me have used Jitsi but I don't know anything about them except it's open source.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 22:56 |
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Munin posted:What is the Zoom alternative?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:01 |
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pumpinglemma posted:As far as I can tell basically nothing. They pass your data to Google Ads (which isn't great but I'm pretty sure every free service does similar), and they have a feature where the host of a meeting can get an alert if you defocus the window for 30 seconds (which is apparently Unacceptable Spying on Your Data). It's more spying than I like. Sorry but the whole good thing with conference calls is you can sit on it barely paying attention to bores droing on until someone says something relevant to you. Idea I have to look at your stupid face while you drone on defeats the point. Things that force you to do your work at your meaningless job are bad.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:05 |
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pumpinglemma posted:As far as I can tell basically nothing. They pass your data to Google Ads (which isn't great but I'm pretty sure every free service does similar), and they have a feature where the host of a meeting can get an alert if you defocus the window for 30 seconds (which is apparently Unacceptable Spying on Your Data). The latter feature isn't on by default so although it's annoying that it's part of the available options, it's down to your lovely boss/company choosing to enable it to check if staff pay attention.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:09 |
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Speaking of Microsoft my loving comfort mouse just fell to bits which is a great start.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:12 |
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For someone who never makes any presentations, I wonder if Cabinet Room (Host, me) just uses Powerpoint as an alternative to Word. Also, if you're using Zoom on a phone in portrait mode you end up with the black bars on the side of the screen and shows most of the cabinet can't use a laptop. TECH INSIGHTS
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:16 |
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Guavanaut posted:Speaking of Microsoft my loving comfort mouse just fell to bits which is a great start. My 360 pad I use on the PC is finally giving up the ghost. Truly MS are ruining isolation
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:17 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:How does the app monitor who you are in contact with? Does it know if you are in regular contact with extremists? Does it measure your speed on roads? Does it have a dead man's switch that checks you haven't put the phone away? It's an interesting thought experiment in secure/anonymous app design. The worst way (so the way it's *definitely* going to be designed) would be to have it upload realtime location data to a centralised server, which then just backtracks your journey and snags all of the people who had the same location at the same time as you. The reason (other than privacy) this is the worst way of doing it is that GPS data has a *way* bigger margin of error than safe social distance so you'll end up snagging a thousand people on a train going past 200 yards away, not to mention the additional strain on battery and data it'll take. Off the top of my head, a way to do it with decent privacy (although possibly with worse battery use and *potentially* some individualised security issues) would be to assign each user a unique ID which is then broadcast via the bluetooth radio (almost all modern phones should be capable of keeping up a connection to headphones etc. while doing this), with each phone keeping a two-week log of all of the IDs it came within range of. If you test positive, they grab all of those IDs and then look them up to contact people who've been within range of you. Still not ideal in that in good conditions that could still be someone 20 or so metres away but should at least mostly avoid people just driving past. This would also be heavily hardware-dependent (and could end up taking up a lot of storage space) so is also less-than-optimal. Another way could be to keep your own location data private on the phone. If you test positive, HMG get the mobile phone companies to push out a notification to every handset that had been on the same tower as you at the same time with your location data on it, and the handsets then report back if they have a match. This is (to my very much unqualified thinking) compatible with both privacy and accuracy and should be doable with just about any smartphone. I'm certain there are clever people who could come up with much better ways of doing this, but I'm even more certain it'll be dumped on BT or Capita and will work in that first way because of course it will.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:25 |
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Guavanaut posted:If you look at that Zoom meeting screenshot they're also using Outlook for all of their emails, so if you don't trust Microsoft they're already hosed. Particularly laughable as the MOD/Army working-from-home memo demands that all laptops are connected to monitors using VGA cables for security reasons. No HDMI, Displayport, DVI allowed. And then the cunts just discuss highest level issues over Zoom.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:31 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's an interesting thought experiment in secure/anonymous app design. The worst way (so the way it's *definitely* going to be designed) would be to have it upload realtime location data to a centralised server, which then just backtracks your journey and snags all of the people who had the same location at the same time as you. The reason (other than privacy) this is the worst way of doing it is that GPS data has a *way* bigger margin of error than safe social distance so you'll end up snagging a thousand people on a train going past 200 yards away, not to mention the additional strain on battery and data it'll take. You should be able to solve for driving past by monitoring current speed of the ID and the ones it comes into contact with somehow (i.e. if going faster than walking pace, disregard everything travelling at significantly different speeds, and everything outside like... a metre or two that isn't travelling at exactly the same speed as you. Managing to get things like buses and trains whilst not also warning every single car sharing the same motorway is an interesting thought experiemt but one Google has definitely already done with the Maps traffic tracking.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:34 |
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What's smartphone usage like in the UK anyway? Are there enough people without smartphones that it would be a problem for an app based solution? I assume it'd be a short step anyway before over-enthusiastic police started fining people if they take the bins out but don't carry their smartphone with them...
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:36 |
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knox_harrington posted:Particularly laughable as the MOD/Army working-from-home memo demands that all laptops are connected to monitors using VGA cables for security reasons. No HDMI, Displayport, DVI allowed. And then the cunts just discuss highest level issues over Zoom. Why is VGA more secure than HDMI?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:39 |
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forkboy84 posted:It's more spying than I like. Sorry but the whole good thing with conference calls is you can sit on it barely paying attention to bores droing on until someone says something relevant to you. Idea I have to look at your stupid face while you drone on defeats the point.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:40 |
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Danger - Octopus! posted:What's smartphone usage like in the UK anyway? Are there enough people without smartphones that it would be a problem for an app based solution? Outside of children and very old people it's basically 100%.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:40 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Why is VGA more secure than HDMI? It's not. Just paranoid army rules e: Well. not necessarily paranoid. Military generally works on the principle that only things that are specifically approved can be used. HDMI has only been a thing for 18 years so they haven't had time to add it to the list yet. moostaffa fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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Danger - Octopus! posted:What's smartphone usage like in the UK anyway? Are there enough people without smartphones that it would be a problem for an app based solution?
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:44 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Why is VGA more secure than HDMI? It's not*. However that's the last thing they bothered to check and they'll presumably get round to authorising HDMI around the time we all just start beaming stuff directly into our ocular inputs. * Actually it could go either way. Properly-implemented HDMI *should* make it impossible to implant a device in the middle of the signal path to read the screen, and even badly-implemented HDMI is much more secure against TEMPEST** than VGA. However VGA has the advantage of not requiring additional processing steps between the GPU and the VDU, so if both of those components are certified then keeping the signal chain as simple as possible definitely has some advantages. VGA is also grounded and shielded while standard HDMI isn't, which clears up the TEMPEST problem. ** Getting the contents of an electronic system through the incidental electromagnetic noise it generates, or other emanations. Theoretically you can read the signal passing over the monitor cable without tapping into it because of course it's a bit of wire with electric running through it, it unavoidably radiates an electromagnetic signal. In theory you could reconstruct that to get the contents of the screen. HDMI can encrypted on the wire (although not very securely) via HDCP so should be more secure - although by no means completely so - than the unencrypted VGA/SVGA signal. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Mar 31, 2020 |
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pumpinglemma posted:As of last year, a literal majority of people aged 75 or over didn't use the internet at all over a span of three months. Smartphones aren't going to work for us by themselves. That's a population we probably don't have to worry about doing track-and-trace on though, because they're not likely to be moving around anywhere near as much as working-age people.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:51 |
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moostaffa posted:It's not. Just paranoid army rules That reminds me that legislation was brought in to allow for the recording of interviews I Garda custody in Ireland in 1984. But it was never properly implemented until about 1999 or there abouts. Where they brought in VHS tapes and Video recording equipment. While some stations have modernized and record on DVD's (or in some cases you might get a USB with the recorded interview on it.) a lot of stations particularly in the countryside still record these videos in triplicate on VHS. (So three VHS per hour and a half of recording or per interview which could be interrupted for various reasons.) So Garda stations still have a mountain of VHS tapes for recording these interviews. And the reason they went with recording in VHS instead of DVD (even at a time when VHS was dead.) A panel that considered the technology fealt that digital recordings on DVD could be edited and it couldn't on VHS. My personal opinion was it was because some TD's (Irish version of MP) mate had a bunch of cheap VCR's and they arranged some deal.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:53 |
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knox_harrington posted:Particularly laughable as the MOD/Army working-from-home memo demands that all laptops are connected to monitors using VGA cables for security reasons. No HDMI, Displayport, DVI allowed. And then the cunts just discuss highest level issues over Zoom. FWIW HMG Infosec Standard 4 has allowed HDMI (with HDCP) for stuff up to TS for *years* now, but frankly if you're working on that sort of stuff at home there's way bigger problems than what cable you have to hand, especially - like you say - if you just then use Zoom, lol.
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# ? Mar 31, 2020 23:55 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:FWIW HMG Infosec Standard 4 has allowed HDMI (with HDCP) for stuff up to TS for *years* now, but frankly if you're working on that sort of stuff at home there's way bigger problems than what cable you have to hand, especially - like you say - if you just then use Zoom, lol. Yeah I think it's a worry about your own gear, though I don't see why an analogue device would be less likely to be compromised than a digital one. knox_harrington fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Apr 1, 2020 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's not*. However that's the last thing they bothered to check and they'll presumably get round to authorising HDMI around the time we all just start beaming stuff directly into our ocular inputs. Doesn't (published, non-TLA) Van Eck phreaking read off the screen? Does the cable make a difference in that case? I'm not up on the latest, I can imagine higher resolutions and better power efficiency might make that kind of attack more difficult, but last I saw it worked fine on relatively modern monitors.
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# ? Apr 1, 2020 00:00 |
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That's presumably from the JSP? IIRC that's cribbed from some American document published in like 1999, so it's not surprising, they were probably more worried about people using composite video sockets on their CRTs. There's probably a section about making sure your house phone isn't too near your daisy-wheel printer, too. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Apr 1, 2020 |
# ? Apr 1, 2020 00:03 |
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Danger - Octopus! posted:What's smartphone usage like in the UK anyway? Are there enough people without smartphones that it would be a problem for an app based solution? I don't carry a phone with me as a matter of course, and usually go like a week between checking it.
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# ? Apr 1, 2020 00:05 |
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big scary monsters posted:Doesn't (published, non-TLA) Van Eck phreaking read off the screen? Does the cable make a difference in that case? I'm not up on the latest, I can imagine higher resolutions and better power efficiency might make that kind of attack more difficult, but last I saw it worked fine on relatively modern monitors. In ideal conditions, probably, but you need to be pretty close (and directly on-axis) for it to work to the level that text is visible. Like close enough that it would probably be a lot more efficient to use a camera.
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# ? Apr 1, 2020 00:05 |
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I vote VGA because it’s stayed the same and there aren’t forty different versions. 15 pins and you’re done. What the gently caress is a HDMI 1.3a
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New thread is up!
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