Limerick posted:

I've been avoiding alcohol since it's an immunosuppressant but going through this sober has been a nightmare of non-stop anxiety. Is it worth it to go out and buy wine?

Breakfast All Day posted:

actually youll find that 100% of supposed coronavirus "deaths" had the underlying precondition of "being alive". these "alive" people would have in fact died anyway. coronavirus' mortality rate is therefore 0%

Limerick posted:

I've been avoiding alcohol since it's an immunosuppressant but going through this sober has been a nightmare of non-stop anxiety. Is it worth it to go out and buy wine?

Limerick posted:

I have no idea what the USA is going to look like in one year but I feel I can safely say we're all hosed.

Are the layoffs going to slow down or intensify?

jarofpiss posted:

it is deeply concerning that there is a cspam brand of leftism that is entirely a liberal minded identity framework of "bad things happen to people i disagree with is good" and is completely devoid of any sort of class or power analysis

Inceltown posted:

https://twitter.com/arunindy/status/1246303040417611776

There should be more strikes. A lot more.

jarofpiss posted:

cspam is aspiring to become the khmer rouge of subforums

Limerick posted:

I've been avoiding alcohol since it's an immunosuppressant but going through this sober has been a nightmare of non-stop anxiety. Is it worth it to go out and buy wine?

jarofpiss posted:

be better people and thereby god willing better posters

jarofpiss posted:

cspam is aspiring to become the khmer rouge of subforums

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I haven’t had a drink in a month and I’m less anxious than I’ve been in years, alcohol causes anxiety and you end up in a feedback loop where you drink to stave off the anxiety yesterday’s drinking is causing.

Limerick posted:

I've been avoiding alcohol since it's an immunosuppressant but going through this sober has been a nightmare of non-stop anxiety. Is it worth it to go out and buy wine?

Over Easy posted:

jarofpiss posted:

cspam is aspiring to become the khmer rouge of subforums

cash crab posted:

so, healthdata projects a total of 93531 deaths in the US by August

ontario's model shows a upper estimate of 15000 over two years

both these models suppose social distancing and the first one also shows absolutely no projected deaths by july

do those estimates seem a little low to anyone else? why is there nothing for july?

snoo posted:

twoday give me the GOD drat VACCINE

jarofpiss posted:

cspam is in desperate need of purges. the liberalism has run amok for too long.

Over Easy posted:

cash crab posted:

do those estimates seem a little low to anyone else? why is there nothing for july?

Drinkfist posted:

This is why China was doing that wild washing of the streets with chemicals. The horrifying aspect of the virus is very under reported compared with what I have been seeing cycled around. The amount of time it survives on surfaces varies from six hours to days given type of surface and environment. It is extremely hard to dodge this virus once it gains a foothold and carriers not displaying any symptoms gets them past every feel good fake testing that is being deployed. The temperature checks are a loving joke and only weed a tiny percentage of highly progressed carriers. Each step forward the idiotic class keeps setting everyone back with brain dead decision. The answer was so loving simple but every person that has power to fix this has a loving dial tone brainwave. We have maximized the pain from this and I have yet to find anyone who is "winning". Political elites and their corporate masters are watching this in their golden bunkers completely failing to see what comes next on this train plowing off the rails and right into a loving volcano.

If I get thrown out of my home I worked my rear end off for I am gonna be making a sandwich in Jeff Bezos's kitchen within the month. Just pay us to stay home and chill you loving ratmen.

SKULL.GIF posted:

I hereby give permission for everyone to gloat over my inevitable death for whatever reasons they like

ShutteredIn posted:

If you don’t think that somebody posting that coronavirus is a hoax and then dying of coronavirus is funny why are you even on these forums?

cash crab posted:

so, healthdata projects a total of 93531 deaths in the US by August

ontario's model shows a upper estimate of 15000 over two years

both these models suppose social distancing and the first one also shows absolutely no projected deaths by july

do those estimates seem a little low to anyone else? why is there nothing for july?

jarofpiss posted:

i think jacking off to individual people suffering is pandering to some of the worst aspects of humanity and ultimately runs counter to the values i want to see in a movement that is ostensibly about building a better world. capitalism runs on pain and suffering and finding your political enjoyment in that is counter to what we believe in. it's not hand-wringing to point that out to the death cult in this thread.

me saying this is not being morally performative or naive about what transformative change looks like in society. enjoying and celebrating suffering is a disordered behavior that should not be encouraged.

it's one thing to butcher an animal for meat; it's another to get horny from torturing it.

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> It’s like ok so you don’t trust the police or government but you also want them to be the only ones with the guns.....

They're liberals. American liberalism is all about peace, understanding, subtly changing the status quo to be more progressive, and nonviolent solutions.

Ask most actual leftists and they'd agree with rightists that guns are a necessity.

My take on it is that the right to bear arms cuts out the middleman we've seen in many revolutions in history, but the big drat problem is that Americans' understanding of what a revolution is has been skewed horribly by the inaccurately named American Revolution (which was far closer to a civil war in both lead up and execution) as well as popular fictional depictions of revolutions and rebellion narratives (where revolutions are collective actions against the crimes of tyrannical individuals, not collective systemic issues). Therefore, we think of these uprisings as protracted insurgencies. In reality, revolutions almost always follow the same trajectory:

- Desperation over food shortages, political corruption, and erosion of previous rights (i.e. good times in decline)

- Increasing labor strikes and refusal to work

- Crackdown by government forces

- General strike + national uprising in solidarity; the revolution begins

- Revolutionaries raid armories (the critical part, what the Second Amendment effectively allows Americans to skip)

- Military sent out to aid police

- Large swaths of the military defect

- Government abdicates

- Systemic change (often for the worse)

- If pro-government forces are loyal enough or if the incoming provisional government is too weak, *then* you get an insurgency and civil war or reign of terror.

The lead up might take months or years, but the actual "revolution" is all over and done with within one or two *weeks*. Just look at Ukraine in 2014; it followed these steps almost perfectly.

An interesting facet of revolution is that they seem impossible until they happen. Frenchmen in 1788, Russians in 1904/16, and Egyptians in 2010 would probably have told you their systems were eternal and too powerful to overcome. That might be the case in both China and the USA right now. The USA might even be much, much closer to it than anyone's comfortable admitting. In our case, we have a national myth that we're #1 in everything and have long had financial and food security while other nations tend to live in want and envy of us; if that gets disrupted, the myth shatters and people will succumb to desperation far sooner (a similar national myth getting eviscerated wrought the 1905 Russian Revolution).

My thing with the Second Amendment crowd is that they have taken completely to that myth of what fiction/American history says revolution is. They think that the "Revolution" will come as a result of big government types trying to take their guns and infringe on their civil liberties because that's how the American Revolution effectively started (and it fits with the whole "tyrannical King and his merry men of effete tax-loving bureaucrats" image that most cartoon revolutions have), and the whole thing will be an insurgency by Christian warrior-farmers who alternate between prayer and battle against hilariously incompetent Socialist government agents who probably dyed their hair blue and pretend to fly around hunting for them because they identify as attack helicopters. In the case of an actual revolution, they'd almost certainly be on the side of reactionaries trying to squash it, especially since revolutions almost always emerge as a result of collective labor unrest. Not that leftist revolution-fetishists are much better; they see the same sort of situation because of how the Cuban and Chinese revolutions played out.

SKULL.GIF posted:

one of the hyenas that's been lurking around my tribe's campfire at night deciding to go nip at the tail of the lion that's stalking us and getting its head ripped off is hilarious and I will laugh every single time

"torturing"

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Independence Day Spirit of Eagle buff increases disease resist

Dustcat posted:

it assumes full social distancing starting today, which isn't happening

and their projection for july still starts with 17 deaths a day if you mouse over the plot

jarofpiss posted:

i think jacking off to individual people suffering is pandering to some of the worst aspects of humanity and ultimately runs counter to the values i want to see in a movement that is ostensibly about building a better world. capitalism runs on pain and suffering and finding your political enjoyment in that is counter to what we believe in. it's not hand-wringing to point that out to the death cult in this thread.

me saying this is not being morally performative or naive about what transformative change looks like in society. enjoying and celebrating suffering is a disordered behavior that should not be encouraged.

it's one thing to butcher an animal for meat; it's another to get horny from torturing it.

jarofpiss posted:

it's ironic but not really funny. it's more an indictment of our corporate media and personality cult society that these people as individuals are victims of. i just think it's weird that posters would see a gofundme posted by a grieving family and react with with glee