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StarkingBarfish posted:This is a good tweet. Was it one of you? I doubt it. Phil McDuff is a freelance journalist who's written for the Guardian. I've mentioned him before ITT and nobody has piped up with "it me!", though of course that's no guarantee. He's a good bloke though, well worth a follow. His writing is pro-socialism/anti-capitalist and also he just generally seems like a decent guy. pumpinglemma posted:To be fair, the reason it's really loving the NHS isn't the 1-2% who die from it, it's the 10-20% who need to be hospitalised. That's way worse than a pepped-up flu. Also vaccines specifically take 12-18 months minimum because a) they're hard to make, b) you have to grow them and that takes time, and c) they need really thorough testing because if the vaccine makes 1% of people go blind and you give it to the whole population then welp. Yeah the hospitalisation rate for the flu is something like 0.05%, one in every 2000 people who get it. I've had the flu. It was poo poo. You have zero energy at all and everything hurts. At no point did I feel like I might realistically die though. With Coronavirus it's something like 1 in 10 to 1 in 5 people who get it need hospitalisation. The flu also has a contagion rate of something like 1.2, 1.3 - that is to say that each person who gets the flu passes it onto 1.3 more people on average. Coronavirus has a contagion rate (I'm sure there's a different term for this but can't currently remember it) of more like 2-3. Each person who gets it (without social distancing etc.) will pass it onto 2-3 others. Doesn't sound like that much of a difference but if each person who gets the flu or coronavirus passes it on to that many people (using 2.5 for coronavirus), for a chain of 10 instances of passing it on, 14 people will have the flu now, and 9500 people will have coronavirus. So the flu has to be passed on through 29 multiplications of 1.3 to get to 2000 people infected, 1 of which will need hospitalisation. After just 10 multiplications of passing on Coronavirus, you have 1-2000 people needing hospitalisation for coronavirus. So no. It's not like the flu. It is significantly more contagious, and requires a significantly higher proportion of victims to be hospitalised, and those two differences are multiplicative in terms of the effect it's going to have on the healthcare system. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:The problem with herd immunity is eventually you run out of other people. This has to be thread title when he croaks.
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Chuka Umana posted:https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1247325034940706818 You love to see it.
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I would second that, I really think the thread title is gonna be important for such a historic event and that's a good one.
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R0 is the term you were probably trying to remember, WhatEvil
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That's the one. Cheers.
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Who's placing bets on whether or not he's going to last another 24?
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Are the bookies actually taking bets on whether he dies? Seems unpatriotic if we aren't allowed to bet on it. He would have wanted number to go up.
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WhatEvil posted:(using 2.5 for coronavirus), for a chain of 10 instances of passing it on, 14 people will have the flu now, and 9500 people will have coronavirus. Maybe my maths is off (likely), but isn't flu r0 1.410=28 vs covid r0 2.510=9,536? The BBC clip someone linked a while back put covid at r0 ~3 for 310 = 59,000
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You will be able to tell when Boris dies when a maelstrom appears above the hospital and a black fuzzy patch (with blond top) gets dragged screaming into it by the ghosts of thousands of people killed by him and the tories.
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I love you brits, never change
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Hearing From the gibbo and markz leaked group chat that Boris has died and the army is being scrambled to get supplies of black army fatigues and suits for the (mandatory attendance) state funeral. Edit: no before you ask, you have to attend but you will not get paid time off. This is made up by an all you can stomach greasy partially cooked shrimp buffet after the funeral passes through the thames.
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Good morning, is he dead yet?
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mrpwase posted:Good morning, is he dead yet? Not anymore than a year ago.
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The people who get ventilated often seem to hang on for a couple of weeks before they finally die, so don't hold your breath just yet.
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Pistol_Pete posted:The people who get ventilated often seem to hang on for a couple of weeks before they finally die, so don't hold your breath just yet. No, is usually a week at most. They start to get massive organ failures across the board and eventually that kills them if the heart doesn't give out. If he does survive this, it is highly unlikely he is going to be fit enough to be PM although he probably won't admit to that.
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Pistol_Pete posted:The people who get ventilated often seem to hang on for a couple of weeks before they finally die, so don't hold your breathjust yet.
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BoJo status: https://twitter.com/screaminbutcalm/status/1105577845642878976
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forkboy84 posted:My favourite ronya posts are the ones where he argues Stalin and Mao were also liberals except in rhetoric. Labour did in fact go to the election with the very tensely-negotiated commitment in 2017 that freedom of movement will end, something Ed "Controls on Immigration mugs" Miliband didn't countenance in the slightest. These things actually happened even if the party later walked these back under internal pressures across 2018 and 2019 This is one of the weird memory-holes where the positions on the party left and right on the issue sharply inverted after GE2017, and all involved apparently promptly forgot what they had been arguing for just previous, as the left saw the plausibility of electoral victory rise and hastened to embrace triangulation whilst the right scrambled to build anti-Corbyn bridges with the single-issue groups in lieu of banging the electability drum. For instance, in the clause V meeting that hammered out that particular pledge, the individual who pushed for the commitment "freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union" was none other than the DExEU shadow secretary Keir Starmer, as demanded by the rightier trade unions (that would by 2019 be rending their clothes over Labour's inability to stop Brexit now). After GE2017 Corbyn is the one muttering about wholesale Poles and Owen Jones is on the barricades arguing that working-class people don't care about Brexit, they care about the bedroom tax... and the party right is suddenly clutching a star-spangled blue banner in retrospect it's all really surreal ronya fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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WhatEvil posted:With Coronavirus it's something like 1 in 10 to 1 in 5 people who get it need hospitalisation. This should be said more often. "80 percent of people have mild symptoms" sounds a lot less frightening than "1 in 5 people need hospitalisation" even if you know it's the same thing.
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Boris Johnson died with coronavirus He died of hubris
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Pesky Splinter posted:Necrothatcher as a name is still eternally great, but I'm looking forward to it becoming "NecroBojo" - even just for a few days. The real tragedy is that the BBC won't be going round outside asking for vox pops this time round
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Nenonen posted:By UK and EU together deciding that we don't want to go with hard Brexit because under the new economic circumstances it would be a guaranteed catastrophy. There just isn't time for a negotiated Brexit with all of this, there likely never was enough time to get everything solved by the end of this year when the transition period ends. But international law right now states that Brexit will happen. That's the default. Where is the will & energy on 1) UK side 2) EU side to enter negotiations to make it not happen? I haven't heard a peep about Brexit in any media in like a month, and my reading is that this Covid19 bullshit is making Brexit much more likely, not less. Cancelling Brexit would take a significant amount of first caring about it in the first place, and then actually devoting especially-now-scarce resources into trying to reverse or delay it, in both UK and EU
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I'm seeing lots of people sharing the thing about countries that had bcg vaccinations having much higher survival rates(germany etc). Is that a legit thing? I'm almost certain I had one as a kid because it rings a bell.
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The asskissing on BBC Breakfast is extra wild today. Boris is apparently a supernaturally virile, resilient and healthful specimen with an indomitable constitution, and was only brought low by this virus because he spent too many nights lying awake worrying about the safety of the British people. Not even paraphrasing here. Pretty sure they might have added something about him being immune to fire and being the first Briton to break the sound barrier on foot
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Jippa posted:I'm seeing lots of people sharing the thing about countries that had bcg vaccinations having much higher survival rates(germany etc). It also gives restance to flus and things, but only for ~15y after you had it.
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Moonwolf posted:It also gives restance to flus and things, but only for ~15y after you had it. gently caress.
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Failed Imagineer posted:The asskissing on BBC Breakfast is extra wild today. The general tone of the BBC has been basically identical to the North Korean media we make fun of. Like the whole "Boris is working hard in hospital and wishes everyone the best, a dove landed on his outstretched hand"
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If he doesn’t die he’s going to be untouchable. Even the mildest criticism of his plan to murder orphan babies in their sleep will be attacked as a scurrilous smear of Brave Boris the Survivor who bested Death himself in his dedication to Queen and country, gawd bless ‘im.
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Communist Thoughts posted:The general tone of the BBC has been basically identical to the North Korean media we make fun of. Time to die.
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TACD posted:If he doesn’t die he’s going to be untouchable. Even the mildest criticism of his plan to murder orphan babies in their sleep will be attacked as a scurrilous smear of Brave Boris the Survivor who bested Death himself in his dedication to Queen and country, gawd bless ‘im. He's already loving untouchable Living will make him a hero, death will make him a martyr
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Jippa posted:I'm seeing lots of people sharing the thing about countries that had bcg vaccinations having much higher survival rates(germany etc). The last I heard was that it wasn't *much* higher, and seems to be strain-dependent (e.g. former DDR seeming to have a better survival rate than former FRG despite the generally better health of the latter), but there does seem to be a statistically-significant effect. Now I think about it I might even have heard that here.
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Failed Imagineer posted:The asskissing on BBC Breakfast is extra wild today. Well, yes, but that description should be followed by "Uncaring sex pest".
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Barry Foster posted:He's already loving untouchable What will a persistent vegetative state do? Maybe there's still hope
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What will a persistent vegetative state do? Maybe there's still hope Who would be able to tell?
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TACD posted:If he doesn’t die he’s going to be untouchable. Even the mildest criticism of his plan to murder orphan babies in their sleep will be attacked as a scurrilous smear of Brave Boris the Survivor who bested Death himself in his dedication to Queen and country, gawd bless ‘im. Our press would do that if he'd never had the virus. But I think you're wrong if you think that Boris is untouchable over this. Fascists don't tolerate weakness, and Boris is no Thatcher with years of service and achievement to look back on. The Tories are going to angle to get rid of him if he lives, and to render him forgotten if he dies.
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Barry Foster posted:He's already loving untouchable Maybe we can get him to pull a Jorp Peterson and wind up in a shady Russian clinic with his brain half melted from beef and benzos.
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