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Zifnab posted:I don't think Obama or Clinton announced until July or August. Might come sooner since it's so important for Biden, but who knows i feel like maybe may or june will be the best time. we dont know how long the captain trumps virus will last.
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Fly Molo posted:Let's vote Trump out of office! By supporting the exact garbage neoliberal governance that gave us Trump in the first place, enacted by a racist rapist who doesn't know what year it is. Biden ensures we either get a Trump re-election, or a landslide victory for Trump 2.0: Fash Harder next election cycle, because the DNC just sent a very clear message that leftists, progressives, and youth voters can gently caress off and die (but still vote blue no matter who). Let me get this straight, the solution to voting Trump out of office is to let Trump remain in office? Do I have this correct? I'm willing to hear any solution here other than armed insurrection to the issue you are bringing up....
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It's ultimately the fault of the olds that voted for Biden in the primary and you should save your ire for them not for the people sitting out the general.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so when is the old fucker gonna pick his VP? Typically, it is 2-3 weeks before the convention. The convention was originally in the middle of July, but was delayed because of COVID-19 and starts on August 17th this year. So, probably around late July or early August if they still follow the "normal" schedule or around late June/early July if they decide to go early.
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Syfe posted:I mean, the way I see you should either vote not Trump, or riot. The better option IS rioting. Rioting isn't an ideal option for Americans since the US military and police forces would massacre any protest that threatened the government. If Trump loses, he'll blame everyone, and I do mean everyone, but himself. Which will have some comedy value as he'll trash Republicans for failing him.
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Listen were you nerds too smart to take out student loans? The dude just gave you something to vote for. Free fuckin money. I wish we weren't all so sarcastic because I am not kidding when I say that I have been converted from a No-Joe to a Yo-Joe.
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Yuzenn posted:Let me get this straight, the solution to voting Trump out of office is to let Trump remain in office? Do I have this correct? It brings up an interesting point. You know Trump isn't going away when if he loses. He will run in 2024 if he loses in 2020, unless he is dead or in jail. And even then...
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I am not going to be involved in an armed revolt. Among other things, I'm tired
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FlamingLiberal posted:https://twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1248316823302483969?s=20 Just barely. https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1248326489990475777 Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bernie has had "positive" talks with Biden. Plans to endorse much more quickly than 2016. For the love of Christ do not negotiate in good faith with these people. Sanders doesn't have to go in guns blazing but did he learn nothing from the primary?
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Yuzenn posted:Let me get this straight, the solution to voting Trump out of office is to let Trump remain in office? Do I have this correct? I thought that was obvious: we now get to choose between voting for Trump or voting for Trump. Biden is at best a lateral move from Trump, not an improvement. Things will keep getting worse, because no leftist candidate will be permitted to succeed when both the Republicans, and their allies, the Democrats, are unified against them. Until they get bad enough for an armed insurrection, at which point it's a 50/50 coin flip whether we get socialism or fascism in American for the next century, and either way, millions of people are going to die. I sure wish the DNC had embraced the compromise candidate, Bernie Sanders, but here we are. The course is locked in. 
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Fly Molo posted:Until they get bad enough for an armed insurrection, at which point it's a 50/50 coin flip whether we get socialism or fascism in American for the next century, and either way, millions of people are going to die. Hmm I think you're being a little naive on that 50/50 number. One ideology dominates the armed forces, the cops, and 99% of gun owners.
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Al-Saqr posted:Some good news! Colin Kaepernick has been signed on as a Quarterback for the NY jets!! This is a parody account, FYI
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Apr 9, 2020 20:36
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bernie has had "positive" talks with Biden. Plans to endorse much more quickly than 2016. I guess the big takeaway is that the Biden campaign is a better-run ship than the Clinton campaign.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Hmm I think you're being a little naive on that 50/50 number. One idiology dominates the armed forces, the cops, and 99% of gun owners. Yeah, you're not wrong. And history shows that the rich liberals and business leaders would rather ally with the fascists before giving an inch to the socialists.
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Jarmak posted:The medicare part is weak as gently caress but student loan forgiveness is not bad depending on what "middle and lower income borrower" means. Yeah, this is a weird mixed bag of objectively loving terrible and actually pretty good. Lowering the Medicare age to 60 is kind of insultingly bad, though. It feels more like a middle finger directed at single-payer proponents than a serious proposal.
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 OK, the Bernie Dropping Out grace period is now over take your electorialism chat to the appropriate thread or risk an automatic three day. Do not argue that it is morally or tactically superior/inferior to protest vote/not protest vote in this thread.
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Biden doesnt have supporters, just people who say we should vote for him. These are different. Really, they swear.
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I swear to god no one cares more about ratings than this bastard. It's almost as if he thinks the presidency is a reality show with no consequences.
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what a loving dick. i skim through the last few days and its basically like his rallys, stupid repeted lies and bullshit, than he leaves and the adults talk for a while.
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Also Europe being the origin of Corona is fake news. CHINA!
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fool of sound posted:
Holy gently caress thank you.
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https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1248318170328379392 Can either of these things get passed through reconciliation? I would love these sort of marginal improvements, but if Biden wins and has a slim majority in the senate neither of these seem plausible.
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Framboise posted:I swear to god no one cares more about ratings than this bastard. It's almost as if he thinks the presidency is a reality show with no consequences. His life is a reality show with no consequences and he writes his own reality as he goes along. Christ I wish he would get corona.
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Xombie posted:His current platform is following and expanding the Public Service Loan Forgiveness  PSLF loving SUCKS and the Dept of Ed is doing its best to disqualify people. Wow, much progressive!  Grandpa JoeSpecifically, PSLF means you need 120 on time payments to very specific loan types im specific areas to begin to qualify. This loving sucks as a plan and "expanding a band-aid to cover slightly more people but not addressing the fundamental problem" seems to be what we'll get with Diamond Joe at the helm.
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plogo posted:https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1248318170328379392 The student debt relief can be done through executive action. The Medicare change can probably be done with reconciliation, but it isn't clear. quote:Almost everyone I spoke with did think the Medicare eligibility age could be changed under reconciliation. It’s not a surefire win, and there is one worrying precedent from the 1990s when Congress tried to raise the eligibility age. But the general consensus was that a change to the qualifications for Medicare — reducing the age threshold to 50, for example, would actually pass muster under reconciliation.
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FilthyImp posted:PSLF loving SUCKS and the Dept of Ed is doing its best to disqualify people. I have no doubt that it sucks but how hard they work to disqualify people is up to the Secretary of Education, who is chosen by the November election winner.
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FilthyImp posted:
I don't think Biden is currently in the Dept of Ed. quote:Specifically, PSLF means you need 120 on time payments to very specific loan types im specific areas to begin to qualify. This loving sucks as a plan and "expanding a band-aid to cover slightly more people but not addressing the fundamental problem" seems to be what we'll get with Diamond Joe at the helm. Which means that I get my loans forgiven after 10 years, which would save me tens of thousands of dollars. The expansion that was introduced in congress last year, the What You Can Do for Your Country Act, that he's supporting, will forgive 50% of it after 5 years. It makes many parts of the program easier and more accessible for different federal education loans, and allows all payment plans to qualify. The other option is me probably paying off my loans shortly before retirement.
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Xombie posted:Which means that I get my loans forgiven after 10 years, which would save me tens of thousands of dollars. Or say you have to get work somewhere else and that year or three doesn't count towards your loans. quote:the What You Can Do for Your Country Act, that he's supporting, will forgive 50% of it after 5 years. It makes many parts of the program easier and more accessible for different federal education loans, and allows all payment plans to qualify.
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, this is a weird mixed bag of objectively loving terrible and actually pretty good. Yeah I almost feel like the response to that tweet will be significantly worse because it mentions the medicare part first. You're so pissed about reading the first line you kinda gotta do a double take when you get to the education part because it's actually good.
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FilthyImp posted:Assuming you don't, say, lose your job or have a medical emergency that causes you to place your loan in forbearance and throw off the 120 months. This new policy isn't a blanket forgiveness, but it will forgive 100% of debt for people who: quote:attended public colleges or private historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and private, underfunded minority-serving institutions (MSIs). It also includes a flat $10,000 forgiveness for private school debt.
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FilthyImp posted:Assuming you don't, say, lose your job or have a medical emergency that causes you to place your loan in forbearance and throw off the 120 months. I'm fully on board with total loan forgiveness. Apparently now loan forgiveness, for a significant number of people with whom I am included, is going to become part of Biden's campaign. But the fact is, PSLF isn't some meaningless carrot on a stick for me, its proper function is a necessary part of my long-term financial well being. Biden was part of the administration that implemented it, and he's in support of the laws that will fix it. Trump's cabinet is openly hostile to the program.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This new policy isn't a blanket forgiveness, but it will forgive 100% of debt for people who: It also says he supports making college free for people making under $125k Was that already a part of his platform or is that part of the new announcement? I honestly assumed his education platform was "gently caress you"
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Jarmak posted:It also says he supports making college free for people making under $125k Free (community) college was already an Obama-era goal that never really went anywhere. It's not all that surprising.
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Jarmak posted:It also says he supports making college free for people making under $125k That has always been part of his platform. It only applies to public universities or community colleges. Not for private universities unless they are: quote:Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), Tribal Colleges And Universities (TCUs), Hispanic-serving Institutions (HSIs), Asian American And Native American Pacific Islander-serving Institutions (AANAPISIs), Alaska Native-serving Institutions and Native Hawaiian-serving Institutions (ANNHs), Predominantly Black Institutions (PBIs), and Native American-serving Nontribal Institutions (NASNTIs) Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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