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Hong Kong has always been a part of Taiwan.
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Mozi posted:new org WHO dis
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 12:11 |
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Entertaining clash coming up as Guangzhou instances of multinational chains like McDonald's and Starbucks join in the with this current "no black people lol" fashion, and people are circulating/tweeting the notices outside of China. Wonder what the upshot will be? Obviously obligatory "in the US you lynch negroes, etc etc."
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 12:18 |
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quote:Even in January, when Chinese authorities were downplaying the extent of the virus, doctors at the epicenter of the outbreak in Wuhan reportedly observed human-to-human transmission, not least by contracting the disease themselves. In the most famous example, Dr. Li Wenliang was censured for “spreading rumors” after trying to alert other doctors of the new respiratory ailment; he later died of the virus himself at age 33. China now claims him as a martyr. Asked about Li’s case at a press conference, the executive director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme, Michael Ryan, said, “We all mourn the loss of a fellow physician and colleague” but stopped short of condemning China for accusing him. “There is an understandable confusion that occurs at the beginning of an epidemic,” Ryan added. “So we need to be careful to label misunderstanding versus misinformation; there's a difference. People can misunderstand and they can overreact.” https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/
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Sten Freak posted:
This Michael Ryan sounds like a stooge
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 15:10 |
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1: The WHO is clearly owned by China now. I mean they openly bought them and everything. They should be viewed as being as credible as any other organisation that needs to avoid pissing off China. 2: It still feels pointless to blame China for this virus in anything more than a technical way. Had the various western governments put up a noble struggle, almost containing the virus but having it slip through their fingers at the last minute, then China's initial bullshit with the local government cover-up, lies, and initial complicity of the CDC-equivalent would be very relevant. It might have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Only that wasn't what happened lol. The western governments failed fast and hard, took a step back, sized up their opposition, then got right back to failing even harder. If it wasn't this virus, it would have been whatever one came next. We didn't realise it, but we were basically giant sitting targets for pretty much any epidemic because of the malice and incompetence of leadership worldwide. Taiwan and SK showed that you don't have to be an authoritarian fascist state to control the virus, and that achieving a decent outcome is not incompatible with being a modern democracy - just, most of the west shat the bed, and are making GBS threads it still.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:the US would recognize Taiwan as an independent country. The US did. Taiwan declined the opportunity to be recognised as an independent nation. The US chose to no longer do so. This is how the one-china problem came to be.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 16:56 |
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I think you are mis-characterizing China's influence at the WHO. I don't think they are necessarily buying them off. China pushes its influence by a policy of "if you don't do what we want, we are taking our ball and going home". They have a policy of not working with organizations that don't play nice with their expectations. As no other country is acting like this in a competing way, they make the logical choice of appeasing China. China has calculation that no other country is going to do that, given that organizations like the WHO are WTO are constructs of western leadership. The WHO's mandate is not to take sides in political disputes, but to increase international cooperation on issues of healthcare. They can do that better by playing nice with the mainland. If the United States (or any other major country) suddenly created a policy of "we won't work with any organization that doesn't also work with Taiwan" then the WHO and many other organizations would assuredly rethink their appeasement of Chinese demands. I think this is why Trump agitates the Chinese so much, because he is playing the same 12-year old politics as the Chinese are and it is setting their foreign policy off base. The downside of this policy however is that everyone knows what China is doing, and nobody likes it. That means you are not really making many friends. The "soft power" that so many like to talk about in this thread is rather shallow, as everyone who is benefiting from the relationship with China is only going to be friendly so long as the benefits keep coming. The US and its western allies have learned this in many different ways over the past 75 years. The IMF, World Bank and other institutions put strings on their aid and look how that always ends up. quote:The US did. Cheesemaster200 fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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oohhboy posted:
Im down, but it seems a bit #/pols/closed no?
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Atopian posted:2: It still feels pointless to blame China for this virus in anything more than a technical way. I don't agree. It's absolutely true most western countries except Germany have royally hosed up their response. The US having an apocalyptic outbreak was predictable from the beginning given our current government + what laughingly passes for a healthcare system. But that doesn't change that the PRC government's bullshit allowed it to get out of hand in the first place. It's possible this virus is so virulent that containment wasn't going to happen, but we will never know that because the authorities spent at least a month pretending it didn't exist and silencing everyone trying to raise the alarm, and by the time they took it seriously it was for sure beyond any control. Surprise, they did this last time too. And they will do it the next time. I don't know how to thread the needle of emphasizing the criminal negligence and hosed up incentives of the Chinese government without it furthering the racist backlash against Asian people that's going on. Other than emphasizing that all the Chinese people who are dying are victims of their government's actions as much as anyone else. This is why authoritarian systems don't work. You can't have responsibility without free oversight, and you can't have free oversight in authoritarian governments. Every major disaster in the PRC's history has this poo poo where local authorities gently caress up and cover up out of fear of the national government and the people who actually know what's going on get silenced for causing trouble. The government is the problem. A free society will still gently caress up, human systems always will, but they don't gently caress up to the extremes authoritarian governments do. And some of them will be like Germany or South Korea and do an excellent job in the face of crisis.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/04/11/brand-new-chinese-aircraft-carrier-catches-fire/amp/Forbes posted:New Chinese Assault Carrier Catches Fire I am not a naval architect so I cannot comment
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Atopian posted:Entertaining clash coming up as Guangzhou instances of multinational chains like McDonald's and Starbucks join in the with this current "no black people lol" fashion, and people are circulating/tweeting the notices outside of China. “Your Black Death is highest” will be the new “flu kills more” Also post them
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A couple I had handy.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Whilst we are talking about #1 China: Testing a nuclear weapon. China has accepted the status quo because if push comes to shove China can still easily conquer Taiwan if it had to. The specter of a Chinese invasion is what has kept Taiwan from declaring de jure independence. It is also why the US strongly opposed the Taiwanese nuclear weapons program in the past, because it was believed that if Taiwan ever tested a nuclear weapon it would immediately trigger a full-scale Chinese assault.
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Grand Fromage posted:
One McDonald’s. Two systems
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html China is imposing restrictions on research into the origins of COVID-19. quote:Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:14 |
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quote:"I think it is a coordinated effort from (the) Chinese government to control (the) narrative, and paint it as if the outbreak did not originate in China," the researcher told CNN. "And I don't think they will really tolerate any objective study to investigate the origination of this disease." definitely save this for the future when tank enthusiasts post studies from china stating that the virus came from california or whatever e: not that it would matter haha
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:23 |
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Sten Freak posted:“There is an understandable confusion that occurs at the beginning of an epidemic,” Ryan added. “So we need to be careful to label misunderstanding versus misinformation; there's a difference. People can misunderstand and they can overreact.” https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152 14 january never 4get
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:24 |
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If Xi Jinping was just Deng Xiaoping 2.0, China would be the greatest country in the world. Prove me wrong.
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Dont Touch ME posted:If Xi Jinping was just Deng Xiaoping 2.0, China would be the greatest country in the world. Prove me wrong. Instead he has pursued Mao 2.0.
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url posted:Im down, but it seems a bit Oh man, I remember that. That's some vintage meme.
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human garbage bag posted:Testing a nuclear weapon. China has accepted the status quo because if push comes to shove China can still easily conquer Taiwan if it had to. The specter of a Chinese invasion is what has kept Taiwan from declaring de jure independence. It is also why the US strongly opposed the Taiwanese nuclear weapons program in the past, because it was believed that if Taiwan ever tested a nuclear weapon it would immediately trigger a full-scale Chinese assault. China could cut off Taiwan but they almost certainly couldn't invade it.
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Grand Fromage posted:
This is horrible. I want to throw chairs through windows/oil vats.
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Those are both from Guangzhou and Guangzhou has always had a huge issue with racism against Africans. The city has a huge African population (Nigeria and Ghana mostly iirc but I could be wrong) that primarily live in one area of town dubbed “chocolate town” by locals. You can Probably find some good pieces on that cuz it’s been a thing for years and years.. Guangdong was also the 2nd hardest hit province outside of Hubei so combine these two for people more loudly exclaiming their poo poo. The weird foreigner garbage strips on the other hand seem to be one super angry dude and not really any more widespread than any hyper racist poo poo my aunt shares on Facebook. When those popped up mid last week in news stories claiming everyone in China saw and most agreed with them, I showed some colleagues and friends and only one had even seen them and a couple commented the dude who made them must have wanted to date a girl who was dating a foreigner or something. Could be Shanghai bubble tho.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Instead he has pursued Mao 2.0. And that's why China is currently not the greatest country in the world. They slippin'...
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Magna Kaser posted:Those are both from Guangzhou and Guangzhou has always had a huge issue with racism against Africans. The city has a huge African population (Nigeria and Ghana mostly iirc but I could be wrong) that primarily live in one area of town dubbed “chocolate town” by locals. You can Probably find some good pieces on that cuz it’s been a thing for years and years.. Again, the parallels of China to the US in the 50s are immense.
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To a certain point. After all, America left the 50s.
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50 years of culture
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url posted:Im down, but it seems a bit WarpedNaba posted:Oh man, I remember that. That's some vintage meme. This was before my time, I cannot comment. What is this any way?
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A racism.
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oohhboy posted:This was before my time, I cannot comment. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pools-closed
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WarpedNaba posted:To a certain point. After all, America left the 50s. That... sort of happened in Asia, but it didn't really stick? I mean, people nowadays realize that colorism and patriarchy are real problems, but they're still basic facts of life?
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url posted:Im down, but it seems a bit I dunno man, I feel like there's a big difference between protesting in a game, in a way that's punching up at a government you feel is oppressing you and early 2000s edge. Pools closed was more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7nX9W3aOU than tank man and stuff. McDonalds China released a statement and said where it happened and that they told the restaurant to not do it. So that's neat. All the Africans kicked out on the streets can go sleep at McDonalds maybe.
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# ? Apr 13, 2020 07:59 |
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A bit of context to who made the video. He is of Indian descent who immigrated as a kid or was born in the US(I can't remember which). He is a legit practising doctor who started up a clinic(Unfortunately failed) in Las Vegas to try to change the poo poo af US healthcare system he has been seriously brutalised by. He is there to advocate for medics which also helps patients. He pokes fun at every stereotype including himself(The proctologist poop emoji is based on his dad), dude is as far away from racism as you can getting so unbunch your knickers. Both that video and Doc Vadar are part of long running series to blow off steam that go along side the serious stuff. If I was to make any criticism of him it would be his belief that the US requires some unique system to get healthcare working as he is torn between capitalism and actually socialising medicine. He doesn't quite understand what having the "Right" to healthcare means in other countries. He is also not great with statistics which lead to him underestimating the ccpvirus and now chasing the wrong numbers.
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Magna Kaser posted:Those are both from Guangzhou and Guangzhou has always had a huge issue with racism against Africans. The city has a huge African population (Nigeria and Ghana mostly iirc but I could be wrong) that primarily live in one area of town dubbed “chocolate town” by locals. You can Probably find some good pieces on that cuz it’s been a thing for years and years.. the black American girl I’m friends with has a ton of Facebook photo albums called like “rude people in China” and it’s her constantly confronting people either saying poo poo to her or trying to take her picture in Shanghai, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that this might also be happening outside of Guangzhou
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GotLag posted:https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/04/11/brand-new-chinese-aircraft-carrier-catches-fire/amp/
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The Great Autismo! posted:the black American girl I’m friends with has a ton of Facebook photo albums called like “rude people in China” and it’s her constantly confronting people either saying poo poo to her or trying to take her picture in Shanghai, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that this might also be happening outside of Guangzhou Of course it does? I'm not sure what that has to do with me explaining how Guangzhou has a longstanding, especially bad racism-towards-black-people problem and the weird coincidence all the examples of hotels/restaurants/apartments banning black people recently are from Guangzhou (afaik, the ones I've seen have all been GZ). I didn't say "this doesn't happen in Shanghai or anywhere else" lol All I said about Shanghai was that basically none of my coworkers had seen those comic strips of the dudes throwing foreigners in the trash till I asked if they had seen them. Ailumao fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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SelenicMartian posted:"smoke damage" it gets in the carpet and the woodwork what do you mean fire hazards on a warship?
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Magna Kaser posted:Of course it does? I misread ur post
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