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Shakespearean Beef posted:You need to stay in the Labour Party and fight, so you can get easily outmaneuvered by a bunch of labour party staffers called "Jolyon" for 5 years Jolyon is a loving danger name E: The word "trot" appears 330 times in the leaked report, which is more than twice 134 Sanitary Naptime fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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Ash Crimson posted:What would you have me do? Argue, as opposed to declaim. But be kinder to yourself mate. We can and should help others to bear their burdens. If you personally want to leave Labour then go for it. But use the time and money on other socialist causes. I don't know any because I am bad at research atm, but there are always things to look up, always people to help. And if you can't deal that is fine too. But I think a lot of us are trying to work out the best way of continuing. I know there is a lot of despair, and who knows, sometimes there should be. But it's important for us to build as much resilience against the world as we can, and to try and make better things out of it.
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Apraxin posted:Could actually will be worse than that - this report was meant to be a supplement to the EHCR anti-semitism investigation, now that it's not backing up their narrative, the party's refusing to send it. If the EHCR comes back with even the mildest criticisms, all these loving ghouls will claim vindication, sweep this report under the rug, demand a final purge of the vile corbynites,a nd then call for unity and putting it all behind us.
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Apr 12, 2020 22:02
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Apr 12, 2020 22:04
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Josef bugman posted:Argue, as opposed to declaim. But be kinder to yourself mate. We can and should help others to bear their burdens. If you personally want to leave Labour then go for it. But use the time and money on other socialist causes. I don't know any because I am bad at research atm, but there are always things to look up, always people to help. I understand what you are saying
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Apr 12, 2020 22:06
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Guavanaut posted:Now that it's out in the open, the logical thing to do is push for it to be sent as evidence. Make the ghouls dig their own graves. Yes. Make them tell the membership to gently caress off or make them send it.
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Apr 12, 2020 22:09
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OwlFancier posted:Some of us don't have the luxury of surrendering, I can't afford to live my life just "giving up" all the time, because I don't have anything left to give up. If politics is life or death for people what the hell else do you characterise giving up as? Giving up on the Labour Party isn't give up on life for fucksake, it's not even giving up on politics. Just recognising that the people behind Keir Starmer will use that same machine we're all angrily gurning about to ensure the left never get near power in the party again. By all means, put your effort into stopping that if you think it's possible but stop acting like quitting a party they joined 5 years ago is some cowardly act of surrender. Maybe you're right. Maybe cooler heads prevail; no biggie, we can just rejoin the party. List all the times in the last 120 years that the left, the actual "socialism is about radically changing the economy & country, not just having the state running a few large industries" left have been in a position to do anything in the Labour Party. The Foot years, arguably the Corbyn years. There's not a lot beyond that. I think it's not unreasonable to acknowledge that history & conclude maybe it's not the most effective platform unless all you want is a few policies to mitigate the worst of capitalism, in which case sure, moderately less bad things are possible.
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Apr 12, 2020 22:13
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If the newspapers do fold it’s going to be funny how tv news shows fill that spot where they get some hack from a newspaper with a circulation of a few hundred thousand a soap box to preach to millions of tv watchers
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Apr 12, 2020 22:14
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Jel Shaker posted:If the newspapers do fold it’s going to be funny how tv news shows fill that spot where they get some hack from a newspaper with a circulation of a few hundred thousand a soap box to preach to millions of tv watchers it'll just be right wing bloggers, probably even exactly the same people they had on before but in their new jobs
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Al-Saqr posted:It’s really incredible how evil and malignant blairite labour people were and how they completely made up the antisemitism thing against corbyn. Liberals are evil man. The report posted:This report thoroughly disproves any suggestion that antisemitism is not a problem in the Party, or that it is all a “smear” or a “witch-hunt” Look, we can't lose sight of the fact that the antisemitism problem wasn't made up, some complaints were valid, and some of these were poorly dealt with. If Ian Austin and pals wants to dismiss the whole report as a whitewash, he needs to explain why it says contrary to that on the first page of the summary and goes into great detail on some valid complaints. If he wants to engage with it, he needs to explain why the complaints process was used to selectively target left wing members of the party. We cheapen ourselves if we cherry pick the bits that suit us and ignore the rest. We can afford to swallow it whole. This report is the moral high ground served up on a plate. It's an opportunity to clean the house of antisemites and wreckers. The point of staying in the party is that we can force Starmer to go after both.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:But the tweet being replied to does unless people have taken screen shots. A couple of pages back, but could a bot be created that replies to an MPs tweet with a quote or screenshot of said tweet? Or just posts the same tweet on its account or whatever? Just so there's a more permanent record? I don't use twitter so haven't the foggiest on what the capabilities are.
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Ash Crimson posted:I understand what you are saying Thank you. Do keep safe.
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i cant say i envy luis and jennys trolley dilemma. that'd have been a tough cookie
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Kin posted:A couple of pages back, but could a bot be created that replies to an MPs tweet with a quote or screenshot of said tweet? I think there was a site that was just tracking/saving a bunch of politicians tweets - but it might have been US politicians.
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Apr 12, 2020 22:29
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Kin posted:A couple of pages back, but could a bot be created that replies to an MPs tweet with a quote or screenshot of said tweet? https://www.politwoops.eu/
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https://www.politwoops.co.uk/ e;fb also why do they have two sites I'm hoping the fact that actual MPs are acknowledging this means the leadership won't be able to completely ignore it XMNN fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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Apr 12, 2020 22:31
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Boris "well Medics saved my life. So we're going to cut funding because they almost did too good of a job"
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Boris "well Medics saved my life. So we're going to cut funding because they almost did too good of a job" Its natural to wind down operations when the job's done
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Apr 12, 2020 22:38
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Jesus but the world's a bleak and horrible place.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Jesus but the world's a bleak and horrible place. It is, but it's also okay to try and make it better, no matter what. Defiance in the face of the inevitable is an admirable quality IMO.
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Tim Burgess off of The Charlatans hosts listening parties for two albums a night. First up was 'Different Class' by Pulp, second was 'Power, Corruption & Lies' by New Order wherein the first track is 'Age Of Consent'. Going to be fun when he does 'Rum, Sodomy & The Lash'
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Tim Burgess off of The Charlatans hosts listening parties for two albums a night. First up was 'Different Class' by Pulp, second was 'Power, Corruption & Lies' by New Order wherein the first track is 'Age Of Consent'. Going to be fun when he does 'Rum, Sodomy & The Lash' As I said on Twitter, to posters of a certain age there is only one Jarvis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1E9PZQKklQ And he no doubt is in charge of sexual harassment complaints at Labour HQ now.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Jesus but the world's a bleak and horrible place. The world is excellent and glorious, it's just that a lot of the human produced stuff in it is truly terrible. Josef bugman posted:It is, but it's also okay to try and make it better, no matter what. Angela Davis posted:You have to act as if it were possible to radically transform the world. And you have to do it all the time.
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forkboy84 posted:Maybe cooler heads prevail; no biggie, we can just rejoin the party. We are those cooler heads and we wont prevail if you all quit.
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chestnut santabag posted:The report in full, get it while it's hot: nice
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Jolyon is a loving danger name They keep using that word...
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https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1249449890826027011 I don't think there's any way Starmer can ignore this and hope it goes away.
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yeah thanks for the report drop!Endjinneer posted:Look, we can't lose sight of the fact that the antisemitism problem wasn't made up, some complaints were valid, and some of these were poorly dealt with. I think what yon goon meant wasn't the antisemitism problem, but the Antisemitism Problem - the whole issue of huge numbers of reports (exaggerated to make the problem look bigger) and the slow process (with deliberate interference to prevent things being dealt with). Not only have the people who pushed this as a huge issue suddenly given up interest now Corbyn's out, it turns out many of them were responsible for it If you genuinely care about ridding the party of antisemitism, then the deliberate sabotaging of the complaints process should be a huge deal - imagine the outcry if Corbyn had been doing actively doing that. But now everyone involved suddenly wants to drop it, because it was never a real issue they cared about in the first place, and they threw victims of that abuse under the bus for political gain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CameSDK-2m8
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https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1249440328349818883?s=20 scum honestly, if any of them are still in the party and aren't immediately kicked out, it will be the death of labour
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Starmer responds to the day's events:quote:There are unresolved issues in the Parliamentary Labour Party and we do need to resolve them as soon as possible. We need to be an outward looking confident party rather than inward divided party, so we need to address that. On the other hand I respect colleagues who want to make their voice heard from different places, whether it’s the back bench, the mid bench through select committees or on the front bench. But we also need to remember that forming a strong opposition is what is needed, not just for the Labour Party but for the country. This is actually from 2016 but let's be honest he'll be milquetoastier now if anything
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