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Just finished the game, not read the thread. But making the final boss the plot of FFVII is insane and audacious and I love it.
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Flopsy posted:I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess with Aerith being more aware of what they're expected to do there's going to be a lot less random wandering and the story is going to get tightened up here quite bit. On the other hand, isn't Aerith pulling for the group to defeat the Whispers? Even if she knows the path they're "supposed" to take, maybe she'll take a different path knowing where the first leads? (Possibly struggling with the morality of it until it's either too late or she realizes she has to sacrifice herself.)
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Apr 14, 2020 03:00
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Maybe the big death is going to be Cloud dying and then Zack replaces him. Wasn't Cloud originally supposed to look like Zack?
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Apr 14, 2020 03:02
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Harrow posted:On the other hand, isn't Aerith pulling for the group to defeat the Whispers? Even if she knows the path they're "supposed" to take, maybe she'll take a different path knowing where the first leads? (Possibly struggling with the morality of it until it's either too late or she realizes she has to sacrifice herself.) That's my point though, initially they only have a rough idea of what they're doing and it involves a lot more aimlessness. Knowing what happens with the black materia most likely means Aerith is going to take some steps to help Cloud along with his mental issues before he comes into contact with it. Honestly the biggest problem facing the party is Cloud's inevitable mental breakdown. I can see her trying to address this earlier so he's in a better place when they reach that point. I'm not going to make any concrete predictions but I would think Aerith's priorities are Cloud getting his business in order so Sephiroth can't torture him into compliance and picking up the other members of the party.
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Apr 14, 2020 03:06
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Decided to do the combat training sim stuff in chapter 16 and now there's a greyed out option to do some with Aerith, how do I get her to it?
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Apr 14, 2020 03:12
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:
It's this. Outside of Aerith's house you can either talk to Tifa, astral projection Aerith, or Barret It also comes to play again in the final fight the characters join you in the Sephiroth fight in order based on their highest to lowest affection lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 03:14
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I will support whatever choices Square makes with the upcoming episodes (considering the quality of this one) as long as: 1) We still go to space 2) We still get a submarine 3) We still get to snowboard
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Apr 14, 2020 03:15
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a friendly person posted:I will support whatever choices Square makes with the upcoming episodes (considering the quality of this one) as long as:
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Apr 14, 2020 03:16
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So were do you guys expect the next game to get to. End of Disc 1, Middle of Disk 2?
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Apr 14, 2020 03:16
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a friendly person posted:I will support whatever choices Square makes with the upcoming episodes (considering the quality of this one) as long as: I hope Roche shows up on the slopes.
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Apr 14, 2020 03:17
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Assuming it doesn’t go completely off the rails, I would expect a part 2 to take the plot all the way through the first trip to the crater and the third to finish the game out.
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Apr 14, 2020 03:20
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With how heavily they set it up at the end of part 1, part 2 will definitely end with the resolution of events at City of the Ancients, wether Aerith dies or survives and whatever consequences (most likely bad ones) that will bring Then part 3, once people have come to terms with the fact that this is not a remake, will most likely be all new territory,
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Apr 14, 2020 03:31
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lezard_valeth posted:Then part 3, once people have come to terms with the fact that this is not a remake, will most likely be all new territory, Hopefully square also comes to term with it!
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Apr 14, 2020 03:48
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Flopsy posted:God I hope they remove Cid's abusiveness towards Shera. What might've slid back in 97' ain't gon' play now. And I already said this but God I'm relieved Tseng is no long crushing on a child he used to watch over. Not to mention straight up slapping her so hard she hits the floor. These children are what we call "improvements"
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Apr 14, 2020 03:48
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lezard_valeth posted:It's this. Outside of Aerith's house you can either talk to Tifa, astral projection Aerith, or Barret I really did not grasp that. Also, I was so sure they removed most of the affection mechanics when they removed the choice of who to give the flower to.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:03
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Tupperwarez posted:Simple! In this timeline, Cid launched the rocket and fried Shera! TADAAAAAH! She probably would've preferred that rather than put up with his aggressive bullshit afterward.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:09
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So my opinion is either city of the Ancients. Or Nibelheim. I expect the next game to start in nibel with playable level cap sephiroth. And therefore concluding in Nibel is good bookends.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:10
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ImpAtom posted:This isn't even true if you only play the original FF7. It absolutely is, every word of it. 1. Aerith always maintains she never had deep feelings for Zack, 2. When we see the real flashback it's just him running into the Jenova room and then flying out defeated like a scrub a few seconds later and 3. He dies getting pumped full of lead by a Shinra grunt.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:17
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NikkolasKing posted:It absolutely is, every word of it. Hmm, you're being a weirdo about Zack who you obviously have some bizarre grudge against.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:19
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Popoto posted:Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, that's how I'd describe my final opinion of this Nomura headed 'REMAKE' of FF7. 
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Apr 14, 2020 04:22
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there's a lot of other good ones if you search for the "1" scores on metacritic
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Apr 14, 2020 04:23
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I like Zack and I'm sad they replaced his VA.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:28
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There are some quality meltdowns scattered around Reddit as well. Go anywhere they're discussing the FFVII Remake and search for "ending" and you'll turn up some pretty potent salt mountains. There's a decent amount of people who either like the ending or are open to seeing where this goes, but far more people who are extremely upset and writing very long and very bad attempts at essays about it while cursing Nomura's name. Though at least a couple people said they hated it and were super pissed but after a couple days they came to terms with it and are kind of excited to see what happens next. Maybe that'll spread.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:28
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The day Square invented the Time Janitors is the day I lost my ability to feel human.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:30
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Yeah I'm not super fond of the last 20% of the game, but this is a company that has been extremely faithful to the amount of details that they've transplanted from the original game. I'm sure that they're smart enough to know exactly how much they want to leave in.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:32
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I felt like the changes to the whole bloodtrail sequence leading up to a dead Shinra were significantly worse than the original though.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:35
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Harrow posted:There are some quality meltdowns scattered around Reddit as well. Go anywhere they're discussing the FFVII Remake and search for "ending" and you'll turn up some pretty potent salt mountains. Honestly I like it. I like the potential for things to go in new and interesting ways mostly because I've had every instance of the original game hammered into my skull for decades. And I'll shamelessly say I'm hoping some of my favorite side characters get juicier parts in the plot. For example Rufus loving ruled in this, like he's a genuinely intimidating presence and I won't lie hot as gently caress. I like his new voice actor better too. Actually like all of em' better except Quintin Flynn and that's just because he was flawless for the part.
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One of the actually good takes I saw on Reddit was like--this game spends like 30 hours showing us that the team gets it. They get the characters, the world, and what made people love FFVII in the first place. Then the ending tells us that we can expect some new twists on those in the future. But given just how much the rest of the game absolutely nails it, maybe the rest of the remake--or at least the next part--deserves the benefit of the doubt. It'd be one thing if we got 30 hours of lovely Advent Children-ized versions of the characters with an awful, dreary tone, but we didn't. We got a really faithful (in tone and character, if not plot) remake of the beginning of Final Fantasy VII. To me, that says that while the rest of the plot might diverge, it'll be true to the characters and the world, and honestly, that'll do a lot.
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It's ok not to like the last 1-2 hours of the game, but to condemn the whole game because of it is stupid.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:40
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Flopsy posted:Honestly I like it. I like the potential for things to go in new and interesting ways mostly because I've had every instance of the original game hammered into my skull for decades. The message that embracing an unknown future for the hope of a better world even if it means the possibility of discomfort and disappointment is better than shrouding yourself in comforting familiarity and dying a quiet placated death is so powerful and relevant and refreshing, and leveraging a beloved property like this to tell it gives it a unique impact. It's brilliant on so many levels, just like how FF7 wasn't the first game to use pre-rendered graphics and FMVs but it used them in a way that captured the imagination of a generation the remake is taking the growing movement towards meta and fourth wall breaking storytelling in games and using it in a way nobody else has done before. I genuinely love it and for the first time in 15 years I'm actively looking forward to a new Final Fantasy game.
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lezard_valeth posted:It's ok not to like the last 1-2 hours of the game, but to condemn the whole game because of it is stupid. I think a lot of it is that some of these posters were really excited for the rest of the remake after the Midgar part and to have the ending say "all those things you were really looking forward to might not happen now" is sending some people into spirals. It's less that they're cursing the whole game--at least on Reddit, I can't speak for the Metacritic whine-reviews--and more that their excitement for the rest of the remake episodes has cratered. That's what they're all reacting to, I think. Though really, my take is like my last post--they've shown us through this part of the remake that they really get the characters and FFVII as a whole. If they're taking things in a new direction from there, it might still feel true to what people loved, and that's going to be really important. Which is why I'm still excited, basically.
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I would have been a lot happier with the changes if they just...hadn't bothered to use Time Ghosts as an excuse to make things different? Just make them different, don't circle jerk yourselves in this weird and inconsistent metaplot.
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Apr 14, 2020 05:18
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Just finished my first playthrough. Folks this ending was WILD. I loving loved it!
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Apr 14, 2020 05:34
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Sakurazuka posted:Decided to do the combat training sim stuff in chapter 16 and now there's a greyed out option to do some with Aerith, how do I get her to it? You have to go to chapter 17. Edit: There will be a room behind Chadley who has now shown up. The new combat sim is in there.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I would have been a lot happier with the changes if they just...hadn't bothered to use Time Ghosts as an excuse to make things different? Just make them different, don't circle jerk yourselves in this weird and inconsistent metaplot. Thing is, if they had gone and made things different they'd have an even bigger angry mob at their doors, because then they would be retconning. At least the approach they took does not invalidate the original game but rather you are encouraged to play the original game to fully understand what's going on
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Just finished my first playthrough. Folks this ending was WILD. I loving loved it! I feel like we're a rare breed at the moment but seriously I thought it was fine. Aerith also gets a bomb rear end one liner concerning Sephiroth: Cloud: He's tough. Aerith:"Yeah? So what? Screw him." This rules and anybody who says otherwise is nuts. I like this version of Aerith better than saint we've been given over the last twenty years or so.
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Aerith is absolutely the best character in the remake and I'll hear no arguments to the contrary. She's just so much fun.
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So, the (optional) Aerith dream sequence at the beginning of Chapter 14. Did anyone else get the feeling that was her talking to Cloud after her death? On the surface, it could just seem like her mentally projecting herself to Cloud while she’s at the Shinra Building, mourning the Sector 7 victims as they return to the Lifestream. But the way she words things, how pained she looks, capped by saying how much she loved the time she spent with Cloud, it almost seemed like an apology of sorts. And then her warning that his love for her isn’t real...she knows about Cloud’s identity crisis. And the final “if that’s what you want” in reference to him saving her at Shinra - it’s almost like she’s making sure that’s what the real Cloud wants, and not his Zack persona. It feels like she’s almost saying “I’m breaking fate, you’re free to do what you want. If you still want me, fine, but make sure it’s you that wants it”. ...or I could be reading way too far into it. It was just a really well-done scene in any case.
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Harrow posted:Aerith is absolutely the best character in the remake and I'll hear no arguments to the contrary. She's just so much fun. I loving love her. After all the quiet dewy eyed love interests we've been given over the years hearing her curse like a sailor, openly salivate over dressing Cloud in drag and flat out say Sephiroth can gently caress himself I'm convinced she's a goddamn goddess.
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HD DAD posted:So, the (optional) Aerith dream sequence at the beginning of Chapter 14. Did anyone else get the feeling that was her talking to Cloud after her death? On the surface, it could just seem like her mentally projecting herself to Cloud while she’s at the Shinra Building, mourning the Sector 7 victims as they return to the Lifestream. But the way she words things, how pained she looks, capped by saying how much she loved the time she spent with Cloud, it almost seemed like an apology of sorts. Huh, I had no idea that was optional. And I don't think you're reading too much into it at all. The way I read it was that she was projecting herself from the Shinra building but all her talk about how much she loved her time with Cloud definitely has the feeling of someone speaking from the future.
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