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Woke Mind Virus
Aug 22, 2005


Nebraska big winner. New York big loser
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-sba-paycheck-protection-program/?utm_medium=deeplink

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HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007



just a small $20 million for my small business

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
re: Gilead's miracle drug

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

tatankatonk posted:

re: Gilead's miracle drug



Holy gently caress! I'll take the crab juice

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
This stonk action is hilarious

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

tatankatonk posted:

re: Gilead's miracle drug



lol the cure being worse than the disease right there

meanolmrcloud
Apr 5, 2004

rock out with your stock out

tatankatonk posted:

re: Gilead's miracle drug



ianad, but multiple organ dysfunction syndrome sounds like bad thing

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

meanolmrcloud posted:

ianad, but multiple organ dysfunction syndrome sounds like bad thing

yeah MODS is loving awful

UnknownTarget
Sep 5, 2019

So I just read about a depression vs recession. Since 1854 there has only been one depression: The Great Depression. Meanwhile we haven't hit a second quarter of lower economic performance yet so according to the rules we are not yet in a recession (though we certainly will be in one). Thoughts on if we'll match the Great Depression after this? Keep in mind if we stick to social distancing etc. (Lol) then by this time next year at least some economic activity will return. Technically speaking it would probably be up from Q4 so not a long term depression (which needs to last like 10 years). Thoughts?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

oxsnard posted:

This stonk action is hilarious

It proves what everyone knows, that reality has nothing to do with the stock market. It is simply a set of algorithms that play out to extract the maximum about of value from the population, any sort of connection to reality is simply a ploy.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

UnknownTarget posted:

So I just read about a depression vs recession. Since 1854 there has only been one depression: The Great Depression. Meanwhile we haven't hit a second quarter of lower economic performance yet so according to the rules we are not yet in a recession (though we certainly will be in one). Thoughts on if we'll match the Great Depression after this? Keep in mind if we stick to social distancing etc. (Lol) then by this time next year at least some economic activity will return. Technically speaking it would probably be up from Q4 so not a long term depression (which needs to last like 10 years). Thoughts?

I think a Depression is guaranteed. Services make up too much of the economy. Restaurants aren't going to just go back to pre Covid volumes. Same with hotels, cafes, gyms etc. Rehiring employees is another fixed cost, especially if they're fully laid off instead of furloughed. Spending money on services requires confidence that consumers won't have for awhile.

That's why we need a massive bottom up stimulus, hopefully a combination of UBI and infrastructure. Government spending goes right to GDP, especially when it's given to those who actually spend the money.

Democrats should be pushing for infrastructure. Planning can start now, with lots of the office work, permitting, design etc being able to be done by remote workers. Give Donald his money for the loving wall in exchange for smart grid buildout and light rail in cities

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


stonks being disconnected from reality has really sucked the energy out of this thread. i miss the days of BLOOD.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Gio posted:

stonks being disconnected from reality has really sucked the energy out of this thread. i miss the days of BLOOD.
there's still a positive correlation between rate of people getting fired and dying and number going up

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


tatankatonk posted:

re: Gilead's miracle drug



how is it 'safe but ineffective' if 25% of patients experience those effects?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Gio posted:

stonks being disconnected from reality has really sucked the energy out of this thread. i miss the days of BLOOD.

If you want a nerdy reference of the day: to understand the "market" and modern-day America you must first think "hmmm what would the Skaven do?"

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
You have to go through Hoover before you get to FDR, just keep that in mind.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Woof Blitzer posted:

You have to go through Hoover before you get to FDR, just keep that in mind.

haha... cool...

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Woof Blitzer posted:

You have to go through Hoover before you get to FDR, just keep that in mind.

So you get a decade of effort before the beatings begin again?

I honestly hope we don't get a FDR at this point.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Woof Blitzer posted:

You have to go through Hoover before you get to FDR, just keep that in mind.

trump is Harding lol.

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

FAUXTON posted:

yeah MODS is loving awful

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Flavahbeast posted:

how is it 'safe but ineffective' if 25% of patients experience those effects?

25% unemployment and number going up, cure with 25% lethality rate make number go up, you can't explain that

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]

PawParole posted:

trump is Harding lol.

heh President Hardon

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
markets are the most efficient way to allocate resources

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

edit: ok I'm dumb

Ramrod Hotshot fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Apr 17, 2020

Beard Dandruff
May 10, 2017

Want to win a consultation with Tiffany? Click
here.

Uh it says so in the upper left hand corner.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeQMxy-Uf3M

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

tatankatonk posted:

re: Gilead's miracle drug



yeah i've been saying it's poo poo for several months and anyone expecting this to be the miracle cure is lol

there's a reason that china and taiwan stopped trialing it early on and it's because it's both ineffective and led to organ failure and GI bleeding.

there's also a reason gilead has been eeriely silent on it overall, like they're not stupid they know they could be juicing their stock big time if they kept leaking articles and getting it up on fox news for big wet daddy to go ALL AMERICAN-MADE GILEAD HAS CURE! WILL COME SOON! ITS OVER FOR THE CHINESE FLU

but they even that would be stupid because they know it's not working and actively harmful

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



Remember when you could walk around in public? Good times

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

oxsnard posted:

Democrats should be pushing for infrastructure. Planning can start now, with lots of the office work, permitting, design etc being able to be done by remote workers. Give Donald his money for the loving wall in exchange for smart grid buildout and light rail in cities

Why would they? The Democrats do not want that. They've never wanted that. You'll get the wall funding and nothing else, at best, if the party gets their way. They should have already made as much clear multiple times

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

UnknownTarget posted:

So I just read about a depression vs recession. Since 1854 there has only been one depression: The Great Depression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



lol

tuchman must die so markets can live

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Remember when you could walk around in public? Good times

this is the opposite of that pokemon go summer

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
i fired all of the analysts at CUM because all of our equity strategies are doing better with them all sick/dead of covid. i had the idiots in IT use the machine that generates my passwords generate random strings of 1-5 letters and now we just buy whatever comes up. are returns are up 1100% this year

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

lol the peak unemployment was estimated at 14% during that period. we're going to blow right past that

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

UnknownTarget posted:

So I just read about a depression vs recession. Since 1854 there has only been one depression: The Great Depression. Meanwhile we haven't hit a second quarter of lower economic performance yet so according to the rules we are not yet in a recession (though we certainly will be in one). Thoughts on if we'll match the Great Depression after this? Keep in mind if we stick to social distancing etc. (Lol) then by this time next year at least some economic activity will return. Technically speaking it would probably be up from Q4 so not a long term depression (which needs to last like 10 years). Thoughts?

I’m p sure the long depression of 1873 to 1896 was a depression

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Shipon posted:

lol the peak unemployment was estimated at 14% during that period. we're going to blow right past that

The good news is that if MMT is correct, this depression will likely be fairly short as they will just keep on printing money. If we get the sort of hyperinflation predicted by austrian types, it's the end of society as we know it (lol)

Once they start printing money and things don't immediately go to poo poo, I'd like to think people start realizing that socialism is not only possible, but in fact ideal

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

oxsnard posted:

The good news is that if MMT is correct, this depression will likely be fairly short as they will just keep on printing money. If we get the sort of hyperinflation predicted by austrian types, it's the end of society as we know it (lol)

In all honesty, I doubt even with the printing going on that enough will tickle down to the population itself, look at how SBA loans worked out.

Also inflation is more of a currency/trade issue than really a issue of monetary policy, all the "lessons" of the 1970s were generally made up.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Tunicate posted:

this is the opposite of that pokemon go summer

good :drat: it is

Pokémon Stay in your homes

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Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
the fed hasn't lent one cent to "main street" yet, they were still taking comments until today and could cancel the program completely (but going ahead with something small and inadequate would save face)

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