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amigolupus posted:Alternate option: somewhere out there in GBN is a hardcore Master Asia roleplayer who's just styling on other people and their Gunpla with a scarf. The most interesting design in Build Divers was the Cowboy Tequila Gundam, and they never made a loving kit for it  .
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Darth Walrus posted:The guy you're describing was a prominent supporting character in the original GBD series, and was, like most of the show, surprisingly boring. I know, I just wish we got a Master Asia-like character done right.  It says a lot about how bad Divers was that they made what should have been a loving awesome idea for a character into a really boring one.
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Ethiser posted:You can’t be a true fan of Gundam and not be ready to jump out of your suit and either throw down with fascists or sword fight your rival in an exploding fortress. Once again Dorothy Catalonia is proven The Best, this time for challenging Quatre to a fencing match while wearing an Oculus Rift.
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Ethiser posted:You can’t be a true fan of Gundam and not be ready to jump out of your suit and either throw down with fascists or sword fight your rival in an exploding fortress. Or execute business rivals. Seriously, around a third of all named character deaths in Iron Blooded Orphans came from just shooting people.
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Darth Walrus posted:The guy you're describing was a prominent supporting character in the original GBD series, and was, like most of the show, surprisingly boring. I straight up do not remember that.
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Whoa hey through absolutely no action of my own I I got invited to the Extreme VS Maxi Boost closed network test today!
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Gripweed posted:I straight up do not remember that. Tigerwolf.
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Darth Walrus posted:Tigerwolf. One of the few things I remember from Build Divers is that he did have a MS, that Altron custom. He had a fight with the main guy that would've been cool if I had any emotional stakes in any of the characters
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Darth Walrus posted:Tigerwolf. Not only was he a prominent supporting character, there was an entire mini plot arc based around the protagonist and his nerd friend learning some bits of GUNPLA MARTIAL ARTS from him by meditating under waterfalls and poo poo.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Yeah, I'm betting the "Sacred Beast" is going to be something like White Base or the Archangel just drifting around on anti-grav. I doubt it, it sounds more like [Season Two, Episode Two spoilers for Build Divers: ReRise]Milaag Mountain is going to be the White Base analogue and the Sacred Beast is probably just going to be a mobile suit (or maybe mobile armor) on board it. Muran notes that Milaag base is basically a flying temple, which sounds far more like a ship than the Sacred Beast. Which must be at least somewhat similar to a mobile suit to say that the villagers would mistakes Par's Gundam for it. At which point the question becomes: who's the pilot? Or is it even piloted at all? If there was actually any life to the Sacred Beast, it'd surely have acted before now and been a much more active element to the plot rather than indistinguishable from a myth. So if it's not piloted, then what purpose does it serve, I wonder? A Gunpla for Freddie to fight in seems like the most obvious answer, given that he's the Eldoran Build Diver? It seems like Muran or that one kid who desperately wants to be a resistance member might actually make better pilots honestly, because Freddie doesn't come off as wanting to pilot or as the kind of person who'd take to it. Also, one question this episode left me with that hasn't been brought up: Hiroto flashed back to thinking the One Eyes are bad shots because it's a starting area in season one, when everyone thought that they were still in a GBN instance but now they know they're not; so why were they so poo poo? May connected it to their movements being unusual, so is there something going on there? The only thing really coming to mind is Masaki Shido undercutting the effectiveness of the units in some manner as he fights against his brainwashing, but that seems kind of lovely as an explanation honestly.
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tsob posted:Also, one question this episode left me with that hasn't been brought up: Hiroto flashed back to thinking the One Eyes are bad shots because it's a starting area in season one, when everyone thought that they were still in a GBN instance but now they know they're not; so why were they so poo poo? May connected it to their movements being unusual, so is there something going on there? The only thing really coming to mind is Masaki Shido undercutting the effectiveness of the units in some manner as he fights against his brainwashing, but that seems kind of lovely as an explanation honestly. I think the intent is something about the ruins is loving with their systems. They managed to successfully hide from the Windams after all.
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tsob posted:I doubt it, it sounds more like [Season Two, Episode Two spoilers for Build Divers: ReRise]Milaag Mountain is going to be the White Base analogue and the Sacred Beast is probably just going to be a mobile suit (or maybe mobile armor) on board it. Muran notes that Milaag base is basically a flying temple, which sounds far more like a ship than the Sacred Beast. Which must be at least somewhat similar to a mobile suit to say that the villagers would mistakes Par's Gundam for it. At which point the question becomes: who's the pilot? Or is it even piloted at all? If there was actually any life to the Sacred Beast, it'd surely have acted before now and been a much more active element to the plot rather than indistinguishable from a myth. So if it's not piloted, then what purpose does it serve, I wonder? A Gunpla for Freddie to fight in seems like the most obvious answer, given that he's the Eldoran Build Diver? It seems like Muran or that one kid who desperately wants to be a resistance member might actually make better pilots honestly, because Freddie doesn't come off as wanting to pilot or as the kind of person who'd take to it. I think that he realizes that the one eyes are programmed to not go into the ruins or attack them. At first he rationalizes it with game logic in the first season by saying that "This must be a start zone and not a combat one" but with how things turned out there has to be another reason. Given that the robots take the form of gunpla, the ruins could be the manufacturing plants for them too and thats why they dont attack them. Or it could be that the games logic bleeds into this reality. Unrelated buy I like the detail that Hiroto panics when he takes down the first Windam. At first I thought he was shocked with the strength of morganas sword but then I realized he stared for a second on the cockpit area. Knowing that things aren't a game and he could be taking down real people, there is some gravitas there. Of course they quickly put that to sleep at the end of the encounter.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I think that he realizes that the one eyes are programmed to not go into the ruins or attack them. At first he rationalizes it with game logic in the first season by saying that "This must be a start zone and not a combat one" but with how things turned out there has to be another reason. Given that the robots take the form of gunpla, the ruins could be the manufacturing plants for them too and thats why they dont attack them. Or it could be that the games logic bleeds into this reality. That said, while it did remove Hiroto's guilt, there was also a certain amount of 'oh poo poo, they're sized for infantry combat' in that reveal.
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Kanos posted:Not only was he a prominent supporting character, there was an entire mini plot arc based around the protagonist and his nerd friend learning some bits of GUNPLA MARTIAL ARTS from him by meditating under waterfalls and poo poo. Actually, given that as far as I can tell the secret/lession to Gunpla Martial Arts is "they didn't think anyone would give a gently caress about the on foot bits, so they didn't bother to program things like pain or endurance or possibly even any actual stats at all, so gently caress it you can do whatever you think you can do," that might explain why May seems to be super strong. Being from GBN, she's already used to not actually having physical limitations.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I think that he realizes that the one eyes are programmed to not go into the ruins or attack them. At first he rationalizes it with game logic in the first season by saying that "This must be a start zone and not a combat one" but with how things turned out there has to be another reason. Given that the robots take the form of gunpla, the ruins could be the manufacturing plants for them too and thats why they dont attack them. Or it could be that the games logic bleeds into this reality. My guess is that it has something to do with Alus and whoever it was they were waiting for. Maybe that someone used the ruins to visit Eldora and Alus gave orders to the other One-Eyes not to destroy it in case they came back. Though that would mean there was someone other than Masaki Shido who went to Eldora before, assuming Masaki isn't the person Alus wanted. Cao Ni Ma posted:Unrelated buy I like the detail that Hiroto panics when he takes down the first Windam. At first I thought he was shocked with the strength of morganas sword but then I realized he stared for a second on the cockpit area. Knowing that things aren't a game and he could be taking down real people, there is some gravitas there. Of course they quickly put that to sleep at the end of the encounter. Yeah, they didn't need to include that detail but I'm glad they did anyway. The writers put a lot of thought into what they wanted to show the viewers.
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amigolupus posted:My guess is that it has something to do with Alus and whoever it was they were waiting for. Maybe that someone used the ruins to visit Eldora and Alus gave orders to the other One-Eyes not to destroy it in case they came back. Though that would mean there was someone other than Masaki Shido who went to Eldora before, assuming Masaki isn't the person Alus wanted. I really like ReRise for the same reason I liked Infinite Dendrogram; They're not amazing shows, but they lean into the details well to add a nice degree of polish.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Amuro Ray
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I wonder, is this something special about Amuro or could we make similar compilations with Kamille and the others?
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NikkolasKing posted:I wonder, is this something special about Amuro or could we make similar compilations with Kamille and the others? I think Amuro's probably got more moments of absolute bed-making GBS threads terror than most Gundam protagonists. (When I say Shinji's a closer heir to his legacy than Kira, I'm not just insulting SEED) While there's likely enough moments to make a decent compilation with most of the lead characters (People like Mika obviously excluded), Amuro was built from the ground up to not be the traditional cool super robot hero, and "Oh poo poo, I am going to die" is an emotional response that immediate makes a character feel more human.
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If you wondered why that ReRise fight was so cool https://twitter.com/G1_BARI/status/1251492786580238337?s=20
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there were a lot of reasons for this, but amuro spent so much time alone in the cockpit, with no backup. or worse, guntank backup.
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Gripweed posted:If you wondered why that ReRise fight was so cool That's a straight up Andy Bogard move, it owned.
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ManSedan posted:Where did characters like Johnny Ridden and Shin Matsunaga come from? We’re they in a manga or a video game? I think they originally came from the Mobile Suit Variations designs, which I suppose would be classified as manga? I don't have any actual experience with the source material, but MSV is more closely related to things like the Star Wars Essential Guide series isn't it? Either way, they looooooong predate video games.
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They're from the MSV artbook series, which is basically one big excuse to draw slight variations on existing UC mobile suits and is where most of the super-specialised grunt suit variants come from. The series invented a bunch of new OYW ace pilots to justify having MS colour variations, and those got spinoff manga over the years and got included in stuff like Gihren's Greed.
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Schubalts posted:What was this? Apparently their entire account is gone. A supercut of every time Amuro screamed
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chiasaur11 posted:I think Amuro's probably got more moments of absolute bed-making GBS threads terror than most Gundam protagonists. I don't remember the context for most of those, but some of them seem more like unfiltered anger than terror; maybe both. Which would make sense for his character at times, especially during the phase he ran away from the White Base or after Sleggar died (which I'm assuming is one of them). Gripweed posted:If you wondered why that ReRise fight was so cool I'm honestly a little disappointed the Maybot itself isn't spinning and it's just spinning air around her feet. It seems more like you'd draw the air in a spike in the direction of travel if she isn't spinning. That said, this scene made me want a Platinum game about May (or another El Diver) in GBN in the vein of Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Vanquish or even Nier: Autamata (presumably, I haven't played it since I don't have a PS4, but the bits of it I've seen look like there's at least some similar gameplay). gimme the GOD drat candy posted:there were a lot of reasons for this, but amuro spent so much time alone in the cockpit, with no backup. or worse, guntank backup. I don't think he actually spent much time without back-up after the Guntank is introduced in episode 4 or 5, and the Guncannon is introduced shortly after that and available as back-up in most episodes. Ryu is around in the spare Core Fighter from episode 2 as well, and Sayla takes over his position pretty quickly after Ryu dies. Amuro does fight alone at times after that, like when he's initially looking to fly the Core Fighter over Zeon airspace and in to Federation territory to get help when they initially land on Earth, when he runs away from the White Base, when he chases Char in Jaburo etc. but those are really the exception, rather than the rule. Lemon-Lime posted:They're from the MSV artbook series, which is basically one big excuse to draw slight variations on existing UC mobile suits and is where most of the super-specialised grunt suit variants come from. The series invented a bunch of new OYW ace pilots to justify having MS colour variations, and those got spinoff manga over the years and got included in stuff like Gihren's Greed. Was it the initial MSV stuff that made all the new ace pilots out-kill Char by an almost laughable degree too, out of interest?
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From their leadership to their grunts, history has shown that the problem of various personnel doing whatever it takes to wildly pad out their kill counts is endemic to Zeon as a whole.
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tsob posted:
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tsob posted:Was it the initial MSV stuff that made all the new ace pilots out-kill Char by an almost laughable degree too, out of interest? Yep. But if memory serves, they also included the explanation that Char would have been a lot higher in the lists if he hadn't spent the prime Mobile Suit killing time hunting the White Base. I'm less sure about when they explained the one guy in the Federation who outkilled Amuro, though. Eventually they said that his count was officially reduced after the war, and that a lot of it came from hangar kills, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the initial material. (Fun fact? Bandai had plans to do a MSV anime at one point, even going so far as talking to a studio about it. A little startup called Daicon Films, later known as Gainax.)
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chiasaur11 posted:(Fun fact? Bandai had plans to do a MSV anime at one point, even going so far as talking to a studio about it. A little startup called Daicon Films, later known as Gainax.) I'd watch a Johnny Ridden anime. Well, the 'Stop calling me the Red Comet!!' Johnny Ridden, less so the guy who had a crush on Kycilia or whatever that was all about.
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Airspace posted:I'd watch a Johnny Ridden anime. There's actually an ongoing Johnny Ridden manga that's pretty alright. Not as much focus on Johnny getting confused with Char (although there's a bit where two of his subordinates get in an argument over if Johnny could beat Char in a fight) but he is a likable doofus a lot of the time, even when he's also an ace pilot and a leader of men.
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MSV actually got it's start as a model kit line, back in 1983, basically acting as a stopgap between the model kit line for original Gundam wrapping up and Zeta Gundam starting up in 1985, though there's some overlap between all three lines(Agguguy, Juaggu, Agg, and Zogok all debut in the original Gundam line, while some MSV kits got rereleased in the Zeta Gundam line) Also it's kinda funny that despite being a major suit in both Zeta and ZZ Gundam, that the Qubeley doesn't get a standard sized model kit until the HGUC line comes out, so like about 15 years
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The kill counts I’m familiar with come from the “Entertainment Bible” series which are functionally like those big Star Wars encyclopedias of every droid ever. IIRC the MAHQ boys get real salty about that one getting the all kinds of stuff wrong. Because if MAHQ cares about anything, it’s the exact length of a Salamis Kai.
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