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whos that broooown: Dec 10, 2009; 2024 Comeback Poster of the Year

BlindSite posted:

Can we keep the ones that write the homoerotic reports?

Too risky, imo.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 10:34

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 23:09

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

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# ? Apr 21, 2020 11:34

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# ? Apr 21, 2020 12:40

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

2 days 11 hours 43 mins

today I think this is the plan...

Plan A
stay at 5 and draft Tua
trade up from 18 to draft a tackle

Plan B
If somebody trades up for Tua, stay at 5 and take a tackle
trade up from 18 to draft Jordan Love

# ? Apr 21, 2020 13:18

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Ehud posted:

2 days 11 hours 43 mins

today I think this is the plan...

Plan A
stay at 5 and draft Tua
trade up from 18 to draft a tackle

Plan B
If somebody trades up for Tua, stay at 5 and take a tackle
trade up from 18 to draft Jordan Love

That would be my plan, save that I�d probably stay at 18 unless six tackles had gone by pick 12

# ? Apr 21, 2020 13:38

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

I have no idea what to think of Jordan Love. If we draft him then we'll have like 18 months of going " :shrug:

maybe he'll be good?"

# ? Apr 21, 2020 13:57

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Ehud posted:

I have no idea what to think of Jordan Love. If we draft him then we'll have like 18 months of going " maybe he'll be good?"

On the bright side instead of the Hennewagon you'd be on the Love Train.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 14:03

Amy Pole Her: Jun 17, 2002

Ehud posted:

I have no idea what to think of Jordan Love. If we draft him then we'll have like 18 months of going " maybe he'll be good?"

It�s way less fun if it�s definitive one way or the other. With Jordan Love we have a new breed of argument - where everyone argues about the value AND the pick

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:01

Hamhandler: Aug 9, 2008; [I want to] shit in your fucking mouth. [I'm going to] slap your fucking mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. Fuck you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

Bob McGinn's linebacker column is up:
https://theathletic.com/1760294/2020/04/21/mcginns-nfl-draft-series-scouts-on-top-linebackers/

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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-�91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-�17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-�19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.

FYI: The Wonderlic scores as reported in this series were the lowest for players, some but not all of whom had the opportunity to take the test more than once. An increasing number of NFL teams regard the lowest score as the most meaningful score. Many players receive repetitive coaching on the Wonderlic before taking the test at the combine, and thus many teams consider second scores with skepticism and often view them as misleading. Also, some players never get a chance to retest.

This is the seventh part of our nine-part series. Today, we dive into linebackers. You can find edge rushers here, defensive linemen here, quarterbacks here, running backs here, offensive linemen here and wide receivers and tight ends here.

Isaiah Simmons played a leading role for great teams at Clemson, compiled enviable statistics, blew out the combine and has been anointed not only as the most unique but also one of the five or 10 best players in the NFL draft. It would surprise no one if some teams are plotting an attempt to trade up and secure his versatile services as a building block for their defenses.

Simmons, however, is not without his detractors, some more vociferous than others. One executive in personnel went so far as to label Simmons the most overrated player in the draft. NFL general managers and coaches will say of an atypical prospect, �I don�t know what to do with him.� They like certitude, both in their players and throughout their organizations.

With Simmons, that�s next to impossible. In my poll of 16 executives asking what they thought his best position would be in the NFL, 10 replied weak-side linebacker, three said nickel linebacker, one said outside linebacker and two said safety. �He�s the best linebacker or the best safety,� said a personnel man for an AFC team. �It�s where you want to play him.�

Before selecting Simmons, it would behoove any team to have a definitive plan on how to employ him. His efficacy would be threatened if the secondary coach wanted Simmons in his room, the linebackers coach wanted him in his room and the pass-rush specialist wanted him sitting in with the defensive line.

�If you put this guy at sam linebacker only, he�s going to struggle,� said an AFC executive. �If you put him at free safety only, he�s going to struggle. You�ve got to be creative. Some coaches in the NFL are creative, and some are not. If he goes high, that team has to be fully committed. If not, he�s dead in the water.�

If the coordinators view Simmons one way and the personnel department sees him another way, a team might just as well select somebody else or trade back.

�He has to go to the right team,� another AFC personnel man said. �There�s a high bust probability if you put too much on his plate or you don�t have the right plan.�

Given Simmons� size (6-3 �, 233), speed (4.38), vertical jump (39 inches), broad jump (11-0) and arm length (33 3/8), everyone can see his extraordinary physical gifts. Not only that, but he produced superbly for Clemson coach Dabo Swinney and Brent Venables, his defensive coordinator. His three-year statistics included 249 tackles (28 � for loss), 10 � sacks, 26 passes defensed, five forced fumbles and four interceptions.

In December, former Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera spoke to NBC�s Peter King about some things he had taken away from his almost nine years on the job and also by observing Bill Belichick in New England.

�The style of defensive player you need today, in my opinion, has changed,� said Rivera. �I got that based on what I saw him (Belichick) do last year in the playoffs. He put guys on the field that could chase Patrick Mahomes, then stop the Rams from running.

�So looking for these big, bulky defensive-end type players is no longer relevant � you have to find the sideline-to-sideline guys who can play every down.�

Simmons isn�t a defensive end, although there were occasions he lined up there under the ever-unpredictable Venables. �I played every position except for nose or 3-technique,� he said at the combine. But his game is based on speed, sideline to sideline and goalpost to goalpost.

Many scouts can agree that Simmons has all the size and skill required to carry the fight even to the finest tight ends in coverage. �I can promise you he can take any tight end in the NFL out of his game,� an executive in personnel said. �Instead of having a guy catch eight, 10 balls in the middle he could hold him to two. That he can do.�

That scout went so far as to say Simmons could have success against wide receivers using press coverage if they were outside, not in the slot. �He�s got those long arms,� he said. �You don�t have to have great hips to be a press corner because you�re already turned. You�re just beating them up all the way down the field.�

At Clemson, Simmons sometimes would align with responsibility for a slot receiver but line up 10 to 12 yards off. At other times he would align deep in a one- or two-high safety look. Some scouts maintain that Simmons can handle all types of coverage in the NFL because �he�s a freak show, athletically,� according to one.

Others disagree. �If an offensive coordinator or quarterback sees him as a single-high safety they�re going to throw at him every single time,� one personnel man said. �He�s a really good athlete for a linebacker but not a really good athlete for a safety. If they play him in the slot, they�ll throw at him because he can�t cover receivers.�

Another personnel man said Simmons wasn�t physical enough to operate in close quarters as a linebacker. �He�s going to have to be a safety but he�s so leggy,� he said. �It�s the leggy thing that bothers you.�

Could Simmons pick up a wide receiver flying across the field on an over route if he was aligned as a center fielder and that was his man?

�He can�t drop his hips and flip and go another way,� the scout said. �He�s not that twitchy of an athlete.�

Simmons stood out by ranging all over the field and making tackles. �To make plays he has to run and chase,� said one scout.

When it comes to stopping the run in the tackle box, few executives think Simmons would be much more than average. �He doesn�t play off blocks really great but you don�t have to take on in the box anymore,� said one personnel man. �All you�ve got to do is get �em down now.�

It�s probable that much of Simmons� tackling opportunities will come from off-ball positions varying in distance from a few yards to 15. It will require him to �run the alley,� break down and tackle.

�He�s a tall, high-cut kid,� one personnel man said. �Unless he�s in that alleyway where he can just sit and explode, it�s tough for a big, tall kid. He has overrun some plays because he gets there so fast and when somebody makes a quick cut he doesn�t adjust real well. He isn�t a hammer, but nobody cares about that anymore. It�s getting to be like flag football. I�m talking the NFL. I think there are tougher hits in the Division I college game than in the NFL.�

Another scout said Simmons tackles well enough and is physical enough when compared to the typical NFL safety but not at the level of the typical NFL linebacker. �He tackles like a freakin� corner,� said one scout. �He�s not a blow �em up guy.�

Also in the passing game, Simmons was used to spy quarterbacks and to rush from various locales. He had eight sacks in 2019, many of which were the results of schematic victories by Venables or his relentless, lightning-like pursuit of fleeing quarterbacks.

�They scheme him off the edge, and he comes flying and he�s free,� one scout said. �He�s got some sacks because of that. It is not as if he�s putting his hand down and working moves, spinning, bull rushing, slipping and dipping. He�s not doing any of that. He�s running straight or they�re stunting him where he comes flying through the gap.�

Because of Simmons� size, talent, production and the wide-ranging nature of his collegiate career, the comparables used by scouts in relation to him make for a diverse group, to say the least.

In order of their NFL career start, the seven comps with their collegiate height-weight-speed have been Charles Woodson (6-1, 200, 4.43), Brian Urlacher (6-3 �, 258, 4.62), Tommy Polley (6-3 �, 230, 4.68), Troy Polamalu (5-10, 206, 4.45), Zach Brown (6-1 �, 243, 4.46), Anthony Barr (6-4 �, 251, 4.46) and Derwin James (6-2, 216, 4.44).

�Although they�re totally different types of players, in their usage maybe Troy Polamalu,� said one executive. �It�s unorthodox. Troy really didn�t play a position � this guy is a space player. A space-matchup guy.�

My poll of 16 personnel men indicated there are a host of good players at the position this year besides Simmons. His narrow margin might be considered somewhat surprising considering the attention he has drawn in the past few months. Scouts were asked to tab their best linebackers on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place vote worth 4 and so on.

Simmons led the way with 68 points and 10 firsts, with Kenneth Murray (61, four), Patrick Queen (46, one), Zack Baun (27) and Jordyn Brooks (15) rounding out the top five.

Following, in order, were Willie Gay (six), Jacob Phillips (five, one), Logan Wilson (five), Shaun Bradley (two), Cam Brown (two), Akeem Davis-Gaither (two) and Malik Harrison (one).

�The hardest thing to find as a scout is a three-down linebacker,� said an AFC personnel man. �You�re in nickel 75 percent of the time. You can find these two-downs on every street corner. A three-down guy that never comes off the field, it�s impossible to find. They�ve got to be very, very smart.�

RANKING THE LINEBACKERS

(Photo: Grant Halverson/Getty Images)
1. ISAIAH SIMMONS, Clemson (6-3 �, 233, 4.38, 1): Simmons redshirted in 2016, played extensively as a safety in �17 and started as a LB/nickel back in 2018-�19. �Love the speed,� one scout said. �Love the size, the length, the versatility, coverage. I�d play him at linebacker close to the line of scrimmage. In some schemes he may be a safety. He can wear a lot of different hats. That�s what makes him so special. He can cover. He can play in the slot. He can play in the box. He can play in the deep part of the field. Even if he is your �sam� backer you can play him at nickel. You can blitz him. He�s a hybrid. Love him.� He declined to do shuttle runs or drill work at the combine after testing superbly earlier in the night. �With the exception of (Joe) Burrow I might make the guy the first pick,� said a second scout. �At North Carolina, Lawrence Taylor played all over the field. Played in space and rushed the passer. I don�t want to make that comparison now because it�s been so long, but this guy can rush the passer, play on the line of scrimmage, move 12 to 15 yards down the field and cover people.� Simmons scored 12 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic test. Many understand the test has its limitations and doesn�t always provide the clearest model of intellect. Still, it�s survived because teams still view it as a valuable tool in the evaluation of players. �It�s crazy to think he had a low test score and played like five different positions at Clemson,� a third scout said. �For him to be able to handle all that stuff and perform like he did, it doesn�t match up.� Simmons is a fourth-year junior from Olathe, Kan. �You can�t play a base defense with him,� said a fourth scout. �He could be a huge hit. He could be like a satellite defender that everything revolves around. Or he�s never going to find a home and people will be left scratching their heads saying, �He wasn�t a safety, he wasn�t a linebacker, we could never find a home for him.� There�s a lot of risk. If you do not have a fully engaged shared vision, oh yeah, it could go south quickly.� His arms were 33 3/8, hands were 9 5/8. �He is not a tough, physical football player,� said a fifth scout. �He�s not a hitter. Doesn�t break down well. I don�t get it. Down in and down out, he�s not a factor or a difference-maker.�

2. KENNETH MURRAY, Oklahoma (6-2 �, 242, 4.55, 1): Murray is a third-year junior. �One of my favorite players,� said one scout. �When you plug in the player and the person you love him even more. He does everything you want. He runs the defense. I thought he was better than Roquan Smith. I don�t think he�s quite as good as a Luke Kuechly. He�ll be a Pro Bowl-type player. He didn�t cover there. They didn�t ask him to, but I think he can. He�s an explosive athlete but he�s not a physical tackler. That�s one of the only knocks I have on him.� Murray started all 42 games, finishing with 335 tackles (37 for loss) and 9 � sacks. �He can run the show,� a second scout said. �Just a little bit lacking on instincts and angles. But he�s big, fast and a hell of a kid. He loves football. Great locker-room guy.� Murray is a tremendous testing athlete, too. He scored a Wonderlic of 21. �He�s sideline-to-sideline,� a third scout said. �Inside, he tries to take on. He�s just not the strongest. He�s more of a slip-and-dip type, which is what you�re playing with now. As far as a modern-day linebacker, he has those traits. Covers well.� Murray is from Missouri City, Texas.

3. PATRICK QUEEN, LSU (6-0, 229, 4.50, 1-2): Queen is a third-year junior who wasn�t even starting until Michael Divinity was suspended early in the season. �I think Queen�s the second-best player in the draft,� said one scout who designated Chase Young as No. 1. �Well-built. Explosive runner. Guy makes plays. He�s not an Alpha dog. That�s OK as long as the �mike� can run it.� Divinity called the defense before the suspension and the more experienced Jacob Phillips played an instrumental role next to Queen. �He�s not going to be Ray Lewis mentality,� another scout said. �It hasn�t been his thing to this point because he�s only been a one-year starter. Had he started for more than one year I think he would have grown into that role more.� Queen started just 16 games in three seasons, finishing with 131 tackles (17 � for loss), four sacks and no forced fumbles. He posted a Wonderlic of 24. �Divinity made the calls,� said a third scout. �That�s why it took so long for Queen to get on the field. He�s a smart kid but he�s not very vocal.� Queen is from Ventress, La. �He is a straight-line fast guy,� said a fourth scout. �Besides that, I don�t think he does much well. He�s not very athletic in space. He doesn�t break down well. He misses a ton of tackles. Not physical at all taking on and getting off blocks. I don�t think he has great instincts. In coverage, he kind of drops to spots. He�s not a man-cover athlete for being that size.�

4. ZACK BAUN, Wisconsin (6-2 �, 238, 4.68, 1-2): Baun redshirted in 2015, backed up in �16 and missed all of �17 with a Lisfranc tear in his left foot. �I got guys that don�t like him but I like how he plays,� one scout said. �He�s a pretty smart dude. I like the way his motor�s always running. He�s got good hands to stack. He works to capture the edge. Size gives him a few issues. Too productive not to get drafted high.� Baun started at OLB in a 3-4 defense the past two seasons and played off the ball at the Senior Bowl, where he is listed here. �He�s going to essentially change positions,� said another scout. �The first-round stuff is kind of crazy to me. He�s a good football player but he kind of came out of nowhere if you�ve watched last year�s tape. To take a guy in the first round at a position he�s never played is kind of bizarre. You�re not talking about a tackle playing guard. You�re talking about a defensive end playing inside linebacker. That�s a whole different world.� Baun finished with 154 tackles (30 for loss) and 15 sacks. �He�s borderline-to-small to be a 3-4 outside backer,� a third scout said. �I wrote him as a �sam.� He�s tough and has good strength for a guy his size.� ESPN�s Adam Schefter cited sources saying Baun tested positive at the combine for a diluted sample stemming from excessive water intake before the weigh-in (and also reported that �under the NFL�s new CBA, it will not count as a strike against him whereas it would have under the NFL�s old CBA. Therefore, teams don�t believe it will impact his draft status much.�) Baun posted a Wonderlic of 24 and is from Brown Deer, Wis.

5. JORDYN BROOKS, Texas Tech (6-0, 240, 4.52, 2-3): Brooks moved to MLB as a senior after starting the first three seasons on the outside. �I kind of like him,� said one scout. �He can get off the spot and runs to the ball. He can chase. He can cover. He�s got exceptional quickness. He can drop his hips, change directions, explode and make a tackle in space. Modern-day linebacker. He�s top 50 for sure.� He�s the first LB mentioned by a scout when asked to pick out the heaviest hitter. He posted a Wonderlic of 10. �I don�t think (running a defense) comes natural to him, but he worked at it,� one scout said. Another scout disagreed, saying there was no way he could direct and call a defense. �No, no, no, no, no,� he said. �But he�s a good player. Real tough. He�s been hurt, we don�t have that much medical on him and he�s 5-11. I don�t like that (10 test).� Has had two shoulder operations and finished with 367 tackles (33 for loss) and seven sacks. He�s the first All-American LB for the Red Raiders since Zach Thomas in 1995. �Kind of thick, active, play-hard,� a fourth scout said. �He can do enough in the pass game.� Brooks is from Houston.

6. WILLIE GAY, Mississippi State (6-1, 243, 4.47, 3): Gay is a third-year junior with a mere six starts in 31 games. Besides an impressive 40 at the combine, his 11-4 broad jump led linebackers and his hands led at 10 �. �He blew it up at the combine,� said one scout. �He is active. He is tough. Tries to take on. Did not see the speed and change of direction on film that he displayed with the workout numbers. He does play hard. Just thought he was an old-school, inside, one-down linebacker.� He missed eight games in 2019 for academic fraud, according to scouts, and reportedly punched a teammate (QB Garrett Shrader) in the face during the leadup to the Music City Bowl, causing Shrader to miss the game because of an orbital bone injury. �You�ve got to drop him a little for the character and off-the-field stuff,� a second scout said. �He�s not a criminal, so I don�t mind him. Some issues are terminal; some aren�t. He�s just going to be maintenance for you as a rookie.� Gay posted a Wonderlic score of 14. �Has a starter�s physical ability but doesn�t have a starter�s full package,� said a third scout. �It�s a roll of the dice on him. He�s talented, but really, really inconsistent.� Gay finished with 99 tackles (11 for loss) and three sacks. He played college ball in his hometown of Starkville, Miss.

7. LOGAN WILSON, Wyoming (6-2, 238, 4.60, 3): Wilson is just the second player in the Cowboys� history to be a three-time captain. �Really productive almost every game you put on,� one scout said. �He�s a good athlete, and he�s got prototypical NFL size. He�s got an ability to take on and use his hands. He sees the game pretty quickly.� That personnel man viewed Wilson as a starter with a chance to play every snap given pro experience. �He�s a sleeper almost, if you will,� said another scout. �He�s really good. He�s not a physical tackler, but he is tough, big and strong. He does enough of everything that matters.� He started 52 games, finishing with 421 tackles (35 for loss), seven sacks, 10 interceptions and 24 passes defensed. �Nice feel for the game,� said a third scout. �Can break down and make space tackles. Can run and cover ground.� Wilson posted a Wonderlic of 16 and is from Casper, Wyo.

8. AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHER, Appalachian State (6-1 �, 224, no 40, 3): He started 30 of 55 games after redshirting in 2015. �Nickel backer,� said one scout. �Athletic guy with quickness, toughness and natural football skills. Will be an excellent special-teams player. Space player. Plays hard. He�s a modern-day linebacker.� Davis-Gaither was unable to run or work out at the combine because of foot surgery in March. �Not running will hurt him,� said another scout. �Never have a problem with this type of kid. Good athletic background.� His father, Keith, is WR coach at Army. He finished with 258 tackles (28 for loss) and eight sacks. �He can run,� said a third scout. �Low 4.5�s. Really high-character kid. He�s explosive on contact. He�s the new wave of NFL backer.� Davis-Gaither is from Thomasville, N.C.

9. JACOB PHILLIPS, LSU (6-3, 229, 4.64, 4): Phillips led the national champions in tackles with 113. �He had no hype at all, but he�s actually my favorite of all these linebackers,� said one scout. �He worked out well and played hard. More physical than (Patrick) Queen. Phillips is bigger, more competitive, more physical, more instinctive, more productive. Second round.� He declared a year early after playing extensively off the bench and starting 26 games the past two years. �Fifth round,� a second scout said. �I question his level of explosion. Struggles to easily open up his hips. Doesn�t show natural feel. Needs a clean path to make plays. Just enough speed. Plays high and doesn�t use his hands around blockers.� Phillips finished with 218 tackles (13 � for loss) and two sacks. �He won�t last to the fifth or sixth round,� a third scout said. �He started at LSU for two years. If a guy can run a defense, a guy like that is invaluable.� Phillips is from Nashville.

10. MALIK HARRISON, Ohio State (6-2 �, 247, 4.63, 4): Harrison is a two-year starter at WLB. �People are discounting the athlete because he�s a thumper,� one scout said. �I think he can really run. That�s where people might get it wrong. At first I thought, �This guy�s just a two-down �mike.�� The more I watched him, I think he�s got enough juice.� Finished with 205 tackles (29 for loss), 10 sacks and 10 passes defensed. �Ran better than I think people thought,� another scout said. �Really good football player. Physical. Trouble in space breaking down. Third round.� He had a 36-inch vertical jump and is from Columbus. �We think he�s a 3-4 �mike� without instincts,� said a third scout. �He looks the part. Something�s missing intangibly. He�s more flash than consistent. He can�t play �mike� in a 4-3.� Added a fourth scout: �I�m not impressed with him. Too slow. Tough kid, but what you going to do with him?�

11. JUSTIN STRNAD, Wake Forest (6-3 �, 238, 4.74, 4): Strnad is a fifth-year senior, two-year starter. �He�s interesting,� one scout said. �He didn�t play well last year. He didn�t play with any kind of physicality. Has athleticism in coverage.� Finished with 244 tackles (22 � for loss), eight sacks, four interceptions and three forced fumbles. �Like his instincts and range but needs to be more physical,� a second scout said. �Extremely instinctive player with good quickness. Tackles OK.� His senior season ended with a torn biceps in Game 7. �He has value at the back end (of the draft), especially with the injury,� a third scout said. �I was thinking middle rounds until I saw his body. I said, �No, you can�t draft this guy in the middle rounds.� He looks like a big wide receiver.� Strnad is from Palm Harbor, Fla.

12. DAVION TAYLOR, Colorado (6-0 �, 227, 4.44, 4): Taylor practiced football but didn�t play in high school because of his mother�s religious beliefs (Seventh-Day Adventist). He played two years at a junior college before starting at star LB in a 3-4 defense in 2018-�19. �He�s raw but, man, athletically, he�s probably as good as anybody in this group,� one scout said. �At the end of the day, he might be as good of a player as anybody other than Simmons. You�ve just got to be a little patient with him. He�s not going to start right away. Maybe you can put him on the field in sub the first year and he�ll be a really good (special) teams guy. Man, he is fast.� He�s not a quick study and just hasn�t played enough football. �You talk about a guy that�s gonna make it on special teams,� another scout said. �He can�t process. He�s never played stack (LB). He�s a JC guy. But I�ll guarantee you one thing: he�s not getting out of the fourth round.� He finished with 144 tackles (20 � for loss) and was an outstanding sprinter for the Buffaloes� track team. �Better athlete than football player,� said a third scout. �He�s not very instinctive. It�s not his fault.� Taylor is from Magnolia, Miss.

13. TANNER MUSE, Clemson (6-2, 226, 4.39, 4-5): Last April, the combine scout estimated his 40 time at 4.75. In a shocker, Muse ran sub-4.4 in Indianapolis. �I didn�t see that 4.39 on tape,� said one scout. �I thought he was stiff and slow. He�s not a safety. He�s got instincts, and he�s a tough guy. He doesn�t have vision. Unathletic, stiff. Free agent. You�d have to try him at linebacker.� Muse started for three years at FS but is now viewed more as a subpackage LB. �He�s real stiff but God, he ran 4.41 (on the scout�s watch) and he�s got a square jaw,� said a second scout. �There were times where Simmons races across the field and overruns and whiffs badly, and then Muse, who is stiff as a board, squares the guy up and tackles him. How does that happen? One�s gonna go top 10 and the other one�s an afterthought.� His Wonderlic score of 26 was the highest at the position. His final stats included 237 tackles (10 � for loss), six interceptions and 22 passes defensed. Said a third scout: �I imagine he could go in the third now. Look at his size-speed ratio. He does play well in the box. He tackles well. I had no idea he�d run a 4.4.� Muse is from Belmont, N.C.

14. TROY DYE, Oregon (6-3 �, 237, no 40, 4-5): Dye played 87.5 percent of the defensive snaps from 2016-�19 as a WLB. �He�s not a take-on guy at all,� said one scout. �He can pick up backs and tight ends and run with them. To his detriment, he played most of this year with a big club on his right hand (broken thumb). I like the guy a lot, but he�s just not real physical. He�s not a big person.� Finished with 397 tackles (44 for loss), 15 sacks, five interceptions, three forced fumbles and 21 passes defensed. �He�s like that nickel linebacker that comes in on passing downs,� a second scout said. �He just has a knack in coverage. He does need to get bigger and stronger.� Underwent arthroscopic knee surgery in January and couldn�t work at the combine. �He gets the ball,� said a third scout. �He plays long. There�s a little bit of finesse to his game, and it frustrates you at times. But most of the time those guys get more physical. They figure out they need to be more physical as a pro. They can�t just run around. I was thinking second or third round. Because of the injury, I could see him getting to the fourth and eventually becoming a starter and being a really good pick if he gets his head on and eats.� Dye is from Norco, Calif.

15. SHAUN BRADLEY, Temple (6-0 �, 235, 4.49, 5): Bradley grayshirted at a junior college in 2015, backed up in �16 and started 38 games from 2017-�19 at MLB. �He is a really good athlete,� one scout said. �Instinctive, plays hard. Just that modern-day space linebacker. He can cover a lot of ground. Liked him a lot.� His production would have been much better if he were a more reliable tackler. Finished with 256 tackles (22 for loss), three interceptions and three forced fumbles. �I did not see a 4.5 guy on tape,� a second scout said. �At all. Ever. I thought he played real lackadaisical for a guy that had a single digit (jersey number 5) at Temple. Those guys are supposed to be bad asses. I didn�t see a guy that deserved to have a single digit.� Bradley is from Mt. Holly, N.J.

OTHERS, in order: Mykal Walker, Fresno State; Cam Brown, Penn State; Kamal Martin, Minnesota; Chapelle Russell, Temple; Evan Weaver, California; Shaquille Quarterman, Miami; Francis Bernard, Utah; Khaleke Hudson, Michigan; David Woodward, Utah State; Markus Bailey, Purdue; Joe Bachie, Michigan State; Jordan Glasgow, Michigan; Dante Olson, Montana.

THE SKINNY
UNSUNG HERO

Shaquille Quarterman, Miami: The first true freshman to start at MLB for the Hurricanes since Dan Morgan in 1998, Quarterman started all 52 games of his career, finishing with 356 tackles (46 � for loss) and 13 sacks. But, at 6-0 1/2 and 234, Quarterman needed to run faster than he did (4.76). �They loved the kid,� said one scout. �He�s Mr. Intangibles. But he�s kind of a dying breed, the two-down inside linebacker.�

SCOUTS� NIGHTMARE

Evan Weaver, California: Weaver is extremely productive with ideal size (6-2, 237) and is able to run a defense. �Unbelievable instinct, positioning,� one NFC scout said shortly before the combine. �Always around the ball. He�s not going to test well. I�d say third round.� Weaver ran 4.78 with just 15 reps on the bench. The other perspective came from an AFC scout: �Awful. Everybody felt he didn�t belong at the Senior Bowl.�

SCOUT TO REMEMBER

Jim Finks: Finks was a quarterback, assistant coach, general manager, club president and almost NFL commissioner in 1989 when Paul Tagliabue instead of him was selected by owners on the sixth ballot. Finks built winning programs in Calgary, Minnesota, Chicago and New Orleans. Revered by friend and foe alike as a man�s man. He died of lung cancer in 1994 at age 66.

QUOTE TO NOTE

NFL executive in personnel: �I think everyone there (LSU) is going to get overdrafted because of the year they had. Not that they�re not good players. But I just think that every player that�s going in the second round would usually be a third.�

lol the NFL is 100% going to gently caress up Isaiah Simmons.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:01

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1252606796767903744

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:15

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

Diva Cupcake posted:

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1252606796767903744

hell yeah

brian flores QB philosophy is basically a big dog shirt and i love it

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:22

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

It's pretty hard to run with the big dogs with a dislocated hip tbh

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:35

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

It's pretty hard to run with the big dogs with a dislocated hip tbh

How do they feel about limping with the big dogs?

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:45

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Catfish Noodlin posted:

Bob McGinn's linebacker column is up:
https://theathletic.com/1760294/2020/04/21/mcginns-nfl-draft-series-scouts-on-top-linebackers/

lol the NFL is 100% going to gently caress up Isaiah Simmons.

I'm surprised he has brooks so high and dye so low. It makes sense reading through the write-up but it's different than what I had been seeing elsewhere.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:49

Amy Pole Her: Jun 17, 2002

Act like a bitch and u got no bite
Get the Hawaiian with the hip hit with
DY NO MITE

# ? Apr 21, 2020 16:52

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm surprised he has brooks so high and dye so low. It makes sense reading through the write-up but it's different than what I had been seeing elsewhere.

Everyone's been saying that there are people with wildly different boards out there, I'm surprised the mock guys haver clustered so close tbh

# ? Apr 21, 2020 17:30

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

So basically all the best linebackers in this draft are all too small to play linebacker

# ? Apr 21, 2020 17:35

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

kiimo posted:

So basically all the best linebackers in this draft are all too small to play linebacker

Imagine Darron Lee but the entire linebacker class

# ? Apr 21, 2020 17:45

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

Catfish Noodlin posted:

Bob McGinn's linebacker column is up:
https://theathletic.com/1760294/2020/04/21/mcginns-nfl-draft-series-scouts-on-top-linebackers/

lol the NFL is 100% going to gently caress up Isaiah Simmons.

I don't like Simmons at all he doesn't know how to tackle. He's just a heat seeking missile. His TFLs are mostly bullshit. He got most of them against UNC and Syracuse which pound the hell out of the ball without a lot of quality up front. Clemsons defense just walloped them. Same with Florida State, kinda. His coverage skills are massively overrated too. Really fast and can get to the ball but no hands whatsoever. His three picks this year were all gimmes. Dabo is super underrated at developing team concepts in his players. It's part of the reason Clemson became a powerhouse. The coaching is just superb quality. Clemson graduated a ton of talent but the overall quality didn't seem to go down despite this. Because of that Simmons got to feast all this year on team tackling and great position play. Pull up highlights and just watch him. There's this one against Georgia Tech where the team had a great flush out of a QB on a play action that forced the QB to cross the field back to the right side right into Simmons' arms. It's like that constantly. He just wracks up so many tackles from sticking to his spot and playing it instead of going out and finding a tackle.

That being said he did show up pretty great in the playoffs this year and sticking to your position on the field isn't a knock, especially when you're a top tier athlete. I just don't think he's worth a top 5 pick this year. Definitely top 25 and his stuff is coachable, although I never really trust LBs that tackle weakly. Tackling people in the NFL is hard as gently caress and hurts like hell. You see athletic LBs disappear all the time because of it.

For the other guys that's a whacky LB listing. Gay gets hate because he developed no real talent and just ran around all day. That was 100% Moorhead's fault who had no idea how to run a defense to the point where they just went and hired Mike Leach because none of these kids know how to play defense anyway. Troy Dye is like the same exact player as Simmons and will probably get snapped up way before where they listed him. Jacob Phillips was the guy who enabled Queen to shine all this year. He was the real workhorse of that defense. Him and Stingley Jr. just playing their hearts out to make other people look better. Not an exceptional athlete though but definitely has a NFL body. Shaun Bradley should be talked up more he has a ton of untapped potential. Blew up the combine but like the draft blurb said he's not that great on the field. Weak tackling and kind of stiff when breaking on the ball carrier. Still though he should easily make a NFL roster on special teams. Malik Harrison sucks and is JAG. Probably will get taken late as a special teamer or rotational LB. Same with Tanner Muse. I don't think Kenneth Murray has problems going inside. They made him do it a lot, it was part of how they closed out games. Tons of blitzs while they were up by two scores or more and they asked him to occupy blockers on run defense. He's not the strongest at the point of attack but he still works and gets past blockers. He's not the worlds best tackler and he's kind of thin but like I said previously with Queen the NFL is emphasizing being in your position and gang tackling more and more. I think he's way more complete than Simmons.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 17:59

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

A lot of similar points that we've made about some of those linebackers, even going so far as to list Baun as an off-ball guy which is a position he's never played. But he is small. I really wonder what he will turn out to be.

Simmons is so confusing because he is just garbage at taking at blocks, I legitimately am not sure if he can play ILB, put me down as one of those scouts who thinks his best position would be nickel linebacker or strong safety. But if he can learn, I mean the potential is there. I still see him as more of a Derwin James type than anything else, except bigger.

Anyways, I thought this was kind of interesting, John Lynch explaining his draft setup:

quote:

John Lynch held his usual pre-draft press conference on Monday not from the boardroom at 49ers headquarters where the event usually takes place but from the guest house in his backyard where his parents stay when they visit from San Diego.

There were no glitches.

The cozy cottage has been hard-wired into something that looks like a NORAD control room. It�s inundated with screens � nine of them � so Lynch can communicate with Kyle Shanahan, team doctors and other key officials when the draft begins Thursday. It also has three landline telephones because Lynch doesn�t trust his cell phone in case of a draft-day emergency. One landline has been preset with the phone numbers of his NFC counterparts, another with AFC general managers on speed dial.

Lynch already has been putting the phones to use. He said he�s come close to trading speedy receiver Marquise Goodwin and also has had preliminary discussions about moving the No. 13 overall pick.

Lynch said there were perhaps six �foundational� type players the team would take if they were available at that spot. If not, the 49ers are open to cashing in that selection and gathering extra picks. The 49ers have the Nos. 13 and 31 picks in the first round, but none in Rounds 2-4, which will be full of wide receivers, cornerbacks, tight ends and other positions the 49ers would like to collect.

As far as Goodwin, earlier in the day The Athletic�s Michael Lombardi reported the 49ers have made Goodwin, pass rusher Dee Ford, linebacker Kwon Alexander and safety Jaquiski Tartt available for draft-day trades. Lynch countered by saying the 49ers �love� Ford, Alexander and Tartt and look forward to having them on the 2020 roster. However, he acknowledged there are active discussions about moving Goodwin, who is coming off two down seasons.

�It came close a couple times,� Lynch said. �There�s a lot of different aspects to being able to close these deals, and because we know he adds value we continue to hang on (to Goodwin). And we�ll see if something happens here. Oftentimes things do when there�s a deadline or something that causes them to happen, and I think the draft is often one of those things.�

# ? Apr 21, 2020 19:37

Amy Pole Her: Jun 17, 2002

Let�s see let�s see gonna go over my ol� notes here

Baun will be good
To be a scout you need to watch football
Simmons as a 4-3 OlB or else why??
Herbert looks lovely. He misses easy throws and he�s nowhere near close. A lot. He throws very i catchable balls.

Jesus god please no Herbert. Tua is best case and Love at anything under 5 i won�t hate.

Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Apr 21, 2020

# ? Apr 21, 2020 20:14

Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

I'm always going to buy my avatar back if someone gives me red text. I'll make an exception if Herbert ends up not being a bust. I feel so strongly that hes going to be garbage if he ends up a consistent top 10 quarterback and someone wants to give me a red text avatar to give me poo poo about it I'll commit to not changing it back.

I've literally never been more sure that somebody was going to be garbage in the NFL.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 22:56

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm always going to buy my avatar back if someone gives me red text. I'll make an exception if Herbert ends up not being a bust. I feel so strongly that hes going to be garbage if he ends up a consistent top 10 quarterback and someone wants to give me a red text avatar to give me poo poo about it I'll commit to not changing it back.

I've literally never been more sure that somebody was going to be garbage in the NFL.

yeah!!

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:09

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm always going to buy my avatar back if someone gives me red text. I'll make an exception if Herbert ends up not being a bust. I feel so strongly that hes going to be garbage if he ends up a consistent top 10 quarterback and someone wants to give me a red text avatar to give me poo poo about it I'll commit to not changing it back.

I've literally never been more sure that somebody was going to be garbage in the NFL.

He'll be good

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:10

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

I will be shocked if Shea Patterson ends up on an NFL practice squad.

He�s Ryan Lindley 2.0

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:11

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

a neat cape posted:

He'll be good

for me to poop on

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:13

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm always going to buy my avatar back if someone gives me red text. I'll make an exception if Herbert ends up not being a bust. I feel so strongly that hes going to be garbage if he ends up a consistent top 10 quarterback and someone wants to give me a red text avatar to give me poo poo about it I'll commit to not changing it back.

I've literally never been more sure that somebody was going to be garbage in the NFL.

See I'm not just not confident enough to make pronouncements like this anymore, after a several guys I didn't like at all ended up performing decently. Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, Drew Lock to be specific (I wasn't super down on Lock, just thought he was a third round developmental guy). Herbert has a lot of qualities that can help you succeed in the NFL. A lot of bad things about his game, but plenty of NFL-ready traits as well. Like a lot of situations I think it will depend heavily on where he ends up and who coaches him

I will say I think being down on Tua is foolish. He's probably the most complete quarterback in the draft and I'm not that concerned about the injury stuff. Some people have been claiming he will fall, I don't think he will he'll go in the top 5 in my opinion.

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:15

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Herbert is the Tannehill regen

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:27

Hamhandler: Aug 9, 2008; [I want to] shit in your fucking mouth. [I'm going to] slap your fucking mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. Fuck you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

I think the thing about Isaiah Simmons is there's like three teams in his projected "range"(Lions/Giants/Dolphins) who have a defensive scheme that can seemingly slot him in and cover up some of his positional woes.

If you wanna play him as a stack linebacker, you've got base, nickel, and dime fronts where all the interior gaps are filled by linemen. Same thing works as an edge/OLB, and there's no reason that can't be an overhang or weakside only thing as well. You've also got an abidance of "Big Nickel" looks with a safety as a hybrid slot defender, as well as a wide variety of other stuff(including a traditional SS box role).

# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:46

Elephanthead: Sep 11, 2008; Toilet Rascal

Ehud posted:

2 days 11 hours 43 mins

today I think this is the plan...

Plan A
stay at 5 and draft Tua
trade up from 18 to draft a tackle

Plan B
If somebody trades up for Tua, stay at 5 and take a tackle
trade up from 18 to draft Jordan Love

Trade back and sign Cam. Plan C baby.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 00:11

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

https://twitter.com/OmarDRuiz/status/1252738813475975168

Like, dude. Just lay down some temp wiring or something if you really need to.

Although now I'm dreaming of some GMs house collapsing during the draft.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 01:35

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

Grittybeard posted:

https://twitter.com/OmarDRuiz/status/1252738813475975168

Like, dude. Just lay down some temp wiring or something if you really need to.

Although now I'm dreaming of some GMs house collapsing during the draft.

I still say that this is a sneaky way of getting the Seahawks to pay for his home remodeling.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 01:53

Roasted Donut: Aug 24, 2007; NWA WHITE POWERRR!!!!

Grittybeard posted:

https://twitter.com/OmarDRuiz/status/1252738813475975168

Like, dude. Just lay down some temp wiring or something if you really need to.

Although now I'm dreaming of some GMs house collapsing during the draft.

grover war room

# ? Apr 22, 2020 02:43

Alaois: Feb 7, 2012

Gonz posted:

I will be shocked if Shea Patterson ends up on an NFL practice squad.

He�s Ryan Lindley 2.0

so you're saying he's going to be a starter within a year

# ? Apr 22, 2020 05:06

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Alaois posted:

so you're saying he's going to be a starter within a year

More like qb coach for the Browns in 5 years

# ? Apr 22, 2020 05:16

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

I'm amazed that none of these GMs have a decent internet connection at a desk in a study or home office where they can just plug their laptop in. Having to get some extra phone lines, sure - I get that but jfc working out of a dining room seems really dumb.

There's been plenty of players like Simmons succeed and there's plenty of schemes that either use a bigger nickel/safety hybrid and they either cover, blitz or thump. Its just whether or not he's smart enough to handle the changes and willing to do the dirty work when required. Most guys that have played that role really well have been pretty smart dudes by NFL standards and he scored disastrously on the wonderlic. The toughness thing isn't great either. Thomas Davis at least was known as a glass eater coming out and he certainly played that way his entire career. Tyrann Mathieu is kind of the same mold.

That being said I think at worst you're getting a linebacker who can cover and wrap up. I don't think he'd ever be the inside guy changing the defense at the line but I think he can absolutely be a solid player.

I also always think you've just got to take a late round flier on guys like Shaquille Quarterman, and Weaver. So many times you see linebackers who can just read and tackle and know how to call a defense and teams ignore them because they're not elite athletes. Then they come into the league as mid and late rounders and play for ten years and make about a million tackles. They're like the linebacker equivalent of receivers who are 6'0 and run a 4.55 but never dropped a pass in college who for some reason slip behind some 6'3 dude who can't catch covid on a crusie ship but runs a 4.39.

Chris Borland springs to mind. Dude made a million tackles and knew how to play and was great (I know he quit but still) the guy he replaced as well, Bowman was slow as poo poo coming out and undersized and ended up a 4 time all pro.

BlindSite fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Apr 22, 2020

# ? Apr 22, 2020 07:11

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

1 day 12 hours 51 minutes

# ? Apr 22, 2020 12:08

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article242192911.html

TLDR: Tua medically cleared by Dolphins, Miami probably won�t trade up from 5, some belief that Miami could take a non-QB at 5 and then trade back up to land their guy.

Seems crazy with the Chargers right behind us. Just take Tua at 5!

quote:

The Dolphins, like other teams, have been unable to get their medical people around Tua Tagovailoa since the Indianapolis Combine in February because of the NFL rules installed as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

But Dolphins doctors examined Tagovailoa extensively in Indianapolis. And the club gave the former Alabama quarterback a passing grade on his physical, according to multiple league and team sources.

The Dolphins are satisfied Tagovailoa is on schedule to a full recovery from the hip injury and ensuing surgery that derailed his 2019 season with the Crimson Tide.

So Tagovailoa, who has a significant injury history that includes multiple other surgeries, has cleared a major hurdle with the Dolphins and their medical team.

That means the Dolphins would absolutely pick Tagovailoa in the coming draft if medical history is the issue.

But the Dolphins could still try to trade up to the second, third, or fourth pick to land their quarterback of choice, right?

That is looking increasingly unlikely.

Two people familiar with Miami�s general thinking say they don�t expect the Dolphins to trade up from No. 5 overall. And there are multiple reasons:

First, the Dolphins have been studying two quarterbacks that have significant questions about what kind of pros they�ll be. So the idea of trading up for a player who isn�t necessarily a slam dunk seems illogical.

Secondly, the draft board suggests not many teams will be able to vault the Dolphins because there aren�t a lot of quarterback-needy teams. And there�s maybe only one or two -- the Los Angeles Chargers among them -- that are close enough to make the leap, anyway.

So the Dolphins might be feeling insulated from getting vaulted for a QB.

Thirdly, the Dolphins have lots of options at No. 5. That comes straight from general manager Chris Grier�s mouth.

�We�re at five but we feel really good about � (there are) probably eight or nine players we feel really good about,� he said. �We�ll get a good player and we�ll be very happy to have him, and I think the fans will be happy as well.�

Well, if the Dolphins have eight or nine players they feel good about at No. 5, why go up?

So the question is whether Tua Tagovailoa will be the pick for the Dolphins at No. 5 overall over Oregon�s Justin Herbert or other players? The answer is complicated.

Multiple sources are telling me Tagovailoa is the favorite to be the Dolphins selection at No. 5. That�s one reason I ultimately typed in Tagovailoa to the Dolphins at No. 5 in my interesting, if I do say so myself, mock draft on Tuesday.

That mock had Herbert off the board when the Dolphins pick. So what do the Dolphins do if both Tagovailoa and Herbert are available when they pick?

I do not know. But there is a building movement around the NFL that Tagovailoa will ultimately end up with Miami -- somehow.

Somehow?

Multiple personnel people who hear from Dolphins people tell me the Dolphins seriously have debated not picking a quarterback at No. 5 overall.

Think about that ...

The Dolphins tanked in 2019 to get the highest possible draft choice in order to select a quarterback in 2020. And then they don�t select a quarterback with that highest possible draft choice?

Sounds unfathomable. But it really is a smart discussion by the Dolphins.

Because even if both Herbert and Tagovailoa are available at No. 5 overall, the Dolphins expect players with higher draft grades to be on the board as well.

What if the two QBs are there, but so is Clemson�s Isaiah Simmons? Or Georgia�s Andrew Thomas? Or Iowa�s Tristan Wirfs? Or Alabama�s Jedrick Wills?

The question for the Dolphins, which they have discussed, is whether to play it safe and select their quarterback right away, primarily because he�s a quarterback. Or do they pick the higher graded prospect and select the quarterback later?

It�s a huge gamble that counts on that QB still being on the board later in the draft either when the Dolphins are scheduled to pick again (No. 18 overall) or when they can trade up to pick again.

Now want the stunner? There has been serious thought given to doing just that within the Dolphins organization.

I mean, I�ve given it thought and have even advocated selecting Thomas at No. 5. But it�s not my call. Nor my job on the line.

Obviously I don�t know all the information involved in making that decision. (If I did, the call would be clear). The point is the issues has been chewed over by the Dolphins. So it�s not a media fabrication.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 12:56

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Another interesting thing, JT O�Sullivan, who�s been doing pretty detailed and accessible YouTube scouting reports of all the qbs, has Herbert 8th in the class. I retract Ryan Tannehill, he�s Brady Quinn

# ? Apr 22, 2020 13:17

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 23:09

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

tarbrush posted:

Another interesting thing, JT O�Sullivan, who�s been doing pretty detailed and accessible YouTube scouting reports of all the qbs, has Herbert 8th in the class. I retract Ryan Tannehill, he�s Brady Quinn

His breakdowns are great. I�ve learned a lot about QB mechanics watching him.

Where did he post the QB rankings?

edit found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPu0smliTb4

# ? Apr 22, 2020 13:43

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