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not an endorsement posted:
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Apr 22, 2020 04:57
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Thump! posted:thur Thus, This.
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not an endorsement posted:
sorry about that. don't know what it is about the internet that makes me assume masculinity, outside of it I'm pretty good about going to they-them when I don't know how a person identifies anime was right posted:absolutely no ones gonna balk at the congressional level. county level maybe. I'm going to balk at a personal level at this trash tier take. Everyone knows that congressional districts perfectly represent the constituents within them e: 100% going to agree though, got like 10 minutes into making my own balk and got tired of it TeenageArchipelago has issued a correction as of 05:47 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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 I spent way too much loving time on this! It was a fun exercise though, and I realized balkanization of the US would be a friggin' nightmare, because nothing about the US makes sense. There's a long strip of Democratic strongholds along the west coat and southwest, while everything outside of that is deep red. I mostly formed borders out of major geographical features (hence the wedge sticking into the Midwest). Anyway, give me suggestions to make this map better.
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rudecyrus posted:It was a fun exercise though, and I realized balkanization of the US would be a friggin' nightmare, because nothing about the US makes sense. You aren't accounting nearly enough for certain major metropolitan centers and their influence spheres. Houston, Atlanta, Miami all jump out to me at a glance. Aside from that, your map mostly is very similar to a map I'd make.
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SKULL.GIF posted:You aren't accounting nearly enough for certain major metropolitan centers and their influence spheres. Houston, Atlanta, Miami all jump out to me at a glance. You think those cities would form their own enclaves?
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Apr 22, 2020 06:28
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rudecyrus posted:You think those cities would form their own enclaves? Miami-Dade is already rebelling against DeSantis and has brought three other counties into its influence sphere, so, yes. The American Southeast is rough to divide up because even compared to the northeast and midwest where cities have disproportionately more power than the surrounding regions, places like Miami and Atlanta are disproportionately more powerful and influential when you look past the gerrymandering and the electoral rigging. In a scenario where we have Full Balk, that particular type of population/economic influence is going to rear its head to its full power.
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Apr 22, 2020 06:35
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Long California doesn't look like a border that's in any way enforceable or useful
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i would probably balk by utility grids
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SKULL.GIF posted:Miami-Dade is already rebelling against DeSantis and has brought three other counties into its influence sphere, so, yes. liberal urban municipal areas surrounded by a sea, a horde of truckers and farmers attempting to starve them out
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rudecyrus posted:
Check the population density of the deep red areas near the liberal strongholds. Any sufficiently sparse population will go along with the cities because they are not economically viable on their own. This is really noticable on the west coast. Some of those counties away from the coastline barely have a population equal to a suburb. And for the most part rely heavily on subsidies. Like, none of them really have the funds to maintain infrastructure, and that's without getting into importing stuff, like asphalt and tractor parts.
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I don't think anybody actually posted the Shattered Union map:
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Apr 22, 2020 08:23
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This is a fun thread
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rudecyrus posted:
For the west coast at least, you need to consider that the Sierra Nevada and Cascade mountains form the realistic natural boundary for a polity. With shipping and industry located on the coast and fertile inland agricultural zones in the Central and Willamette Valleys you get a pretty viable political entity. Some strong cultural ties might cross the mountains, like with Reno, but that's mostly because Reno isn't all that desirable and wouldn't be contested. Other more productive trans-montane areas with cultural ties (like Spokane and the Palouse) will probably be contested, although the Mountain West regions beyond the Cascades/Sierra are pretty low-population, and probably wouldn't be well-organized as a rule.
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if Pennsylvania doesn’t split it is 100% going with New York there is no way Philly / Scranton / Lehigh goes with any other state
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Apr 22, 2020 11:39
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Raiad posted:after we balkanize, some of the states are going to technically belong to multiple countries West Virginia will end up like that no man's land between Egypt and Sudan.
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Apr 22, 2020 11:40
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if PA splits the line would probably be somewhere around the west edge of the Allegheny ridge and valley system
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the RAC is going to abscond with 75% of America’s commuter rail network
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I shudder to think what would happen here in Pennsyltucky, just roving kill squads of chuds disappearing undesirables at night literally everywhere that isn't Pittsburgh, the Lehigh Valley, and Philly.
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Apr 22, 2020 11:55
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Dredd 2012 is going to be real soon isn’t it
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I’m getting more and more convinced this is going to happen w/in the next 18 months or so
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do states have any means of taking tax money that would normally go to the federal government and keeping it for the state note that i did not ask whether it is legal, merely whether it could be done
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Raiad posted:do states have any means of taking tax money that would normally go to the federal government and keeping it for the state not really . payments to the us treasury in my experience are made directly to the us treasury possibly some fees and the payroll tax of state employees but honestly taxes are quaint at this point. the power to print money (or actually direct labor? ) will be the important thing
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If we balk we're going to see something like Syria where multiple independent non-state/city/counties will make a play for power in regions. While cities have the population and peacetime economic power. Rural areas control access to the raw materials they need and rural people have access to like 90% of the privately owned guns in the US and the materials needed to make things like IED's
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Apr 22, 2020 12:50
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they have guns but no independently mobile and non insulin dependent people
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Nitrousoxide posted:If we balk we're going to see something like Syria where multiple independent non-state/city/counties will make a play for power in regions. While cities have the population and peacetime economic power. Rural areas control access to the raw materials they need and rural people have access to like 90% of the privately owned guns in the US and the materials needed to make things like IED's Time to plug: It Could Happen Here: The Second American Civil War
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trying to figure out where the guns are made and not sure what's current: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/embed?mid=1Vrdq-qH8lKjiQ84XvNRIey74tnU   
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CHOADE machine and tool inc
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thermold trutec
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How viable is the population on the Southern Coast of California if the Colorado River stops being diverted towards them? How viable is the farming in the California Valleys? It seems like water access in the Southwest has been a hot topic recently with the various droughts. How is that going to rear it’s ugly head if things start fracturing? I know San Diego has built a desalinization plant, but I don’t know how much that can supply at full output.
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Orvin posted:How viable is the population on the Southern Coast of California if the Colorado River stops being diverted towards them? How viable is the farming in the California Valleys? California's bread basket (Central Valley) gets most of the agricultural water from aquifers but the use has been so aggressive that the land has started to sink in many spots.
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capitalism has irrevocably destroyed everything from infrastructure to social bonds in a matter of decades bring on the second civil war buddy 
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Orvin posted:How viable is the population on the Southern Coast of California if the Colorado River stops being diverted towards them? How viable is the farming in the California Valleys? They would be fine if they would just stop growing those goddamn almonds
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rudecyrus posted:
Thank you for recognizing that if/when stuff starts shaking apart, there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that Western NY would stay aligned with NYC rather than group with our fellow Rust Belt / Great Lakes brethren. That or just spin off into an isolated Bills Enclave, doomed forever to lose every military skirmish we're involved in but somehow continuing to exist.
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Working on my Balk map let me know what you think.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Check the population density of the deep red areas near the liberal strongholds. Any sufficiently sparse population will go along with the cities because they are not economically viable on their own. You could probably stretch a [Core] - [Semi-Periphery] - [Periphery] model onto this. Relevant maps:  
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Accretionist posted:You could probably stretch a [Core] - [Semi-Periphery] - [Periphery] model onto this. Yes, precisely! This is the kind of map people should be referencing when diagramming out balk scenarios. This is also exactly how the major pacts we've seen so far have been breaking down. NYC, Chicago, LA/SF, Denver have been the anchor cities for these pacts.
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Accretionist posted:You could probably stretch a [Core] - [Semi-Periphery] - [Periphery] model onto this. Make sure you’re in a megaregion before republican death squads patrol the rural/open areas during the next decade
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