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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Agean90 posted:

living in the decaying ruins of Lost Vegas sounds A E S T H T I C as gently caress ngl

there was recently a very good movie about it

the second blade runner

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Midwest soldiers captured by West Coast Pact were executed by being forced to eat hot sauce.

animist
Aug 28, 2018
broke: Spec Ops: the Line in Dubai

woke: Spec Ops: the Line in Riyadh

bespoke: Spec Ops: the Line in Vegas

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Agean90 posted:

living in the decaying ruins of Lost Vegas sounds A E S T H T I C as gently caress ngl

the problem with this is that vegas hotels have a lifespan of like, loving 7-8 years or something like that

they're all extremely cheaply built and are designed to be torn down and replaced

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

Our own Iram of the Pillars is a pretty romantic outcome.

I one day hope that one of my descendants will become a wandering adventurer and join up with 3-4 other weirdo outcasts to descend into the ancient 'Palace of Caesar' in order to loot the legendary treasures hidden deep within.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Vernii posted:

Indiana is pretty easy to justify; other than NW Indiana, the rest of the state may as well be a colony of Indianapolis. The metro area has 1/3 of the state's population, most of the wealth, and almost every state and interstate highway converge on Indianapolis. It creates a strategic situation where Indianapolis couldn't afford to let any of the rest of the state go lest its supply lines get cut, and the rest of the state doesn't have the population or resources to resist.

https://www.theonion.com/residents-of-indiana-join-together-to-form-collective-c-1819573362

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I think that is the economic life span not the actual building life time

animist
Aug 28, 2018
how long do modern skyscrapers last unattended? there's a lot of steel in there

PipHelix
Nov 11, 2017



anime was right posted:

the only reason to nuke is if you're about to lose everything

This right here. People forget that the only reason to have nukes is to keep aggressors from loving with you.

They're not offensive weapons, unless you're an idiot. It took the military a long time to explain this to Reagan, and Trump is of course immune to learning, so, yea. We might. But honestly, Trump would 100% not bother with a civil war. Stuff starts getting bad or hard, he'll throw Jared at it and gently caress off to whatever mansion is safest.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

animist posted:

how long do modern skyscrapers last unattended? there's a lot of steel in there

I remember reading the book The World Without Us it would only be around 100 years?

Main weakness is once the windows get broken you start to get water and other environmental damage inside the building which eventually causes it to collapse.

The would last much longer the "stick built" wooden houses that would only be around 40 - 50 years due to similar environmental damage.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160808-will-the-skyscrapers-outlast-the-pyramids

etalian has issued a correction as of 22:06 on Apr 22, 2020

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

euphronius posted:

there was recently a very good movie about it

the second blade runner

yeah we’re definitely getting blade runner Vegas out of this

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Centrist Committee posted:

yeah we’re definitely getting blade runner Vegas out of this

dave bautista was really good in the film's intro scene and the associated short story video is great as well since it revealed how he got put on the radar.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


making fat stacks as a guide of the Lost Vegas wastes showing tourists and propoganda makers from the People's Empire of China around

I only turn on one group out of every 20, I can easily blame it on the river raiders who operate out of the Grand canyon and it provides just enough danger to drive my bookings up.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

cincy is in the south imo

the south makes really good food though and cincy puts lovely meat sauce on spaghetti with cold cheese and calls it chili. i dont think the south wants to be associated with that imo

much closer to tasteless new england boiled food than delicious southern cuisine

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

PipHelix posted:

This right here. People forget that the only reason to have nukes is to keep aggressors from loving with you.

They're not offensive weapons, unless you're an idiot. It took the military a long time to explain this to Reagan, and Trump is of course immune to learning, so, yea. We might. But honestly, Trump would 100% not bother with a civil war. Stuff starts getting bad or hard, he'll throw Jared at it and gently caress off to whatever mansion is safest.

Presidents have unilateral launch authority, and with the rapture brigade pushing policy, of course he would do it, and the Air Force would carry it out, probably while carrying big anime swords.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Agean90 posted:

making fat stacks as a guide of the Lost Vegas wastes showing tourists and propoganda makers from the People's Empire of China around

I only turn on one group out of every 20, I can easily blame it on the river raiders who operate out of the Grand canyon and it provides just enough danger to drive my bookings up.

Spent the whole day explaining to horrified Chinese empire tourists the american buffet chocolate fountain idea.

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SKULL.GIF posted:

Chicago still needs to be fed. These empty farmlands will be seized if they don't voluntarily join up

This, and another thing I think people are forgetting when it comes to this region of the country, is the large anount of navigable rivers which would provide easy transportation and regional economic cohesion. Not only would the Great Lakes form the basis for a political/economic unit around them, so would all the rivers that also are part of that network. Chicago, Minneapolis, and St Louis would have a lot of opportunity to collaborate in dominating all of the agricultural hinterlands between them using the Mississippi river system

En Garde Motherfuckers
Apr 29, 2009

Hey. Is it just me, or do my balls itch?
Are there enough circus shows in Vegas for the casinos and hotels to eventually be filled with feral tigers and herds of elephant?It'd really spice up a good dungeon crawl if there are

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

you can also get farmland by bulldozing the suburbs which were farmland like 25 years ago

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Zeno-25 posted:

This, and another thing I think people are forgetting when it comes to this region of the country, is the large anount of navigable rivers which would provide easy transportation and regional economic cohesion. Not only would the Great Lakes form the basis for a political/economic unit around them, so would all the rivers that also are part of that network. Chicago, Minneapolis, and St Louis would have a lot of opportunity to collaborate in dominating all of the agricultural hinterlands between them using the Mississippi river system

Rivers have always been valuable especially if you had a reduction in level of technology that required switching to low tech forms of transportation.

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

euphronius posted:

you can also get farmland by bulldozing the suburbs which were farmland like 25 years ago

Not when they strip all but a few inches of topsoil away like most developments in the last few decades, heh

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

create new topsoil with city sewage

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Gonna rule when this thread ends up months ahead of the news cycle like the Corona thread was and I can skip out on my lovely state a couple weeks in advance, then ill have to explain to people where I got all my information from without sounding schizophrenic

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Try thinking of this hypothetical: would you fight for your local/regional political unit? I wouldn't ever fight for this failed demon cracker nation but I would fight for Denver/Colorado if chud hordes from the wastelands started to invade

Zeno-25 has issued a correction as of 22:35 on Apr 22, 2020

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

Agean90 posted:

making fat stacks as a guide of the Lost Vegas wastes showing tourists and propaganda makers from the People's Empire of China around

I only turn on one group out of every 20, I can easily blame it on the river raiders who operate out of the Grand canyon and it provides just enough danger to drive my bookings up.

There's already a large hobo population living in the stormwater drains. Going to have to make some treaties with them after the city falls, they'll probably take the "1 in 20" group off your hands.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Zeno-25 posted:

Try thinking of this hypothetical: would you fight for your local/regional political unit? I wouldn't ever fight for this failed demon cracker nation but I would fight for Colorado if chud hordes from the wastelands started to invade

Making feudal government great again?


Of course for CO the first crisis would be dealing with the fundie Chud 5th column out of Colorado Springs.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


i fight only for the establishment of a Nation for posters, where your words and memes can go without being exploited by the social media companies of the world,,, an outer heaven

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

euphronius posted:

create new topsoil with city sewage

I was taking a walk around my neighborhood earlier and wondering what it would take to rip up the roads between the blocks and rehabilitate the soil underneath

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Zeno-25 posted:

Try thinking of this hypothetical: would you fight for your local/regional political unit? I wouldn't ever fight for this failed demon cracker nation but I would fight for Denver/Colorado if chud hordes from the wastelands started to invade

lots antifa supersoliders to join the ranks of here, so maybe, depends on how necessary i am

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Dolash posted:

A lot of these balkanization maps don't seem to consider what happens to the Federal government in any sort of breakup or collapse scenario.

Gutted by the GOP.

Iirc, federal's most coercive enforcement mechanisms are:
  • Power of the Purse. e.g. Withhold highway funds to compel uniform drinking age.
  • Send in the military --
    • -- for enforcement. e.g. Forced desegregation.
    • -- to Dissolve & Disband state government. Military rule pending new elections.

Wealthy states can just flip the bird once they're running their own mini-CDCs and mini-EPAs, coordinating as blocks, and once they're running their own internal 'militaries' via state police and defense forces, and so on.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
the biggest asset the feds have is information that state and local governments may not have, such as the NSA

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

yeah the fed gov doing so well with that info atm

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016

Accretionist posted:

Gutted by the GOP.

Iirc, federal's most coercive enforcement mechanisms are:
  • Power of the Purse. e.g. Withhold highway funds to compel uniform drinking age.
  • Send in the military --
    • -- for enforcement. e.g. Forced desegregation.
    • -- to Dissolve & Disband state government. Military rule pending new elections.

Wealthy states can just flip the bird once they're running their own mini-CDCs and mini-EPAs, coordinating as blocks, and once they're running their own internal 'militaries' via state police and defense forces, and so on.

ah just like cuba can flip the united states the bird since it has its own military

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

ah just like cuba can flip the united states the bird since it has its own military

one of the funniest things about the military industrial complex is that they've put the pork all over the country so pretty much every one of these balkanized regions will have access to all sorts of weapons manufacture right from the get go

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

ah just like cuba can flip the united states the bird since it has its own military

Also the last time the US tried a military action in Cuba with a worm invasion it didn't go so well.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



anime was right posted:

the biggest asset the feds have is information that state and local governments may not have, such as the NSA

The Utahian Mormons gonna own that NSA data center. Meanwhile in Oak Ridge, TN the supercomputer hums away as Appalachian Hill-folk look on.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

etalian posted:

Midwest soldiers captured by West Coast Pact were executed by being forced to eat hot sauce.

Sauce my bland hole daddy

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Thread makes me want to learn about LDS leadership because if they come to national prominence politically, power struggles inside that church will become more pronounced and important. What'll happen to that one sort of prophecy about Mormons saving the constitution too?

Also I doubt the US Catholic Church would be very important. They've tried to dump and hide a lot of their financial wealth to avoid lawsuits, and there's too many weird factions in the laity for it to be a cohesive movement. You've got the CHUD protestant-lites, immigrant families, and then the small but elite Trad Cath converts. Locally I can see arch-diocese or even certain parishes being political players though.

etalian posted:

Midwest soldiers captured by West Coast Pact were executed by being forced to eat hot sauce.

Lots of not white people live in the Midwest

Zeno-25 posted:

This, and another thing I think people are forgetting when it comes to this region of the country, is the large anount of navigable rivers which would provide easy transportation and regional economic cohesion. Not only would the Great Lakes form the basis for a political/economic unit around them, so would all the rivers that also are part of that network. Chicago, Minneapolis, and St Louis would have a lot of opportunity to collaborate in dominating all of the agricultural hinterlands between them using the Mississippi river system

Can't wait for the Midwest to put some howitzers on barges to try to secure safe shipping rights with no taxation down the Mississippi

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Don't forget that even though the Feds have control of all the nukes at the onset. They will certainly loose control of a bunch. Even if the Feds can control the computers on the nukes, when someone gets physical access to the bomb or missile there's nothing stopping them from stripping out the explosive.

Any use by the Feds would open up counterstrikes from the numerous nukes they will have lost. I don't see them getting used unless by religious zealots who want to end the world

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Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

etalian posted:

Making feudal government great again?


Of course for CO the first crisis would be dealing with the fundie Chud 5th column out of Colorado Springs.

The rest of the Front Range urban corridor greatly outnumbers Jesus Town. Just blockade them in and only people who test positive for THC get out, starve the rest.

They can have their own Masada

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