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What I don't understand is how there's any sector 7 slum left at all. Like did the plate now fall only partially? From the top you can see part in the back that's sloped down. Like maybe the recognizable slum is under there. In the original it's just loving gone. But here landmarks still exist and an underground lab held up to a city dropping on it. E: what a terrible pedantic post for a page snipe.
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Can't put too much space between the cheese and the sauce.
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Motto posted:Can't put too much space between the cheese and the sauce. I mean Jessie did become her own Midgar Special
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cheetah7071 posted:Could have meant the distance between the ground and the bottom of the plate I mean poo poo the Shinra Building looks like this overwhelming mountain of corporate hubris dwarfing the rest of the city and it's just 70 stories. Which is big sure but not preposterously so, and the floors aren't near as sprawling you'd think either the Drum's nonsense notwithstanding.
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After going through the last chapter again, I have to say that I'm no longer really convinced the whispers are intended as some kind of meta-antagonist representing the fans. My opinion is Sephiroth is a timeless being now (similar to the Whispers) and the weird deviations is Seph from Advent Children manipulating events to unfold differently. Hell in the beginning when he manipulates Cloud into hallucinating a burning Nibelheim, he's trying to change the timing so Cloud won't meet Aerith. The Whispers course correct. Sephiroth/Jenova are diseases and the Whispers are the T-Cells of the planet/Lifestream.
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Not to derail this discussion of character strengths and flaws or anything but I've just come to an important realization...Reno most definitely dyes his hair. And in a world of backflips, surviving improbable falls and motorcycle battles I guess it just tickles me that hair that red is in fact unrealistic.
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J Detan posted:Hey, that gun was gold, clearly that means it's a one hit kill. Yeah this is canon now That golden gun's gonna be Vincent's ultimate weapon in part 3
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I was more curious if that one very old picture in the museum was meant to indicate Shinra from FFX-2 *was* in fact President Shinra. Didn't think so at first, until I realized literally every other thing in that museum is a monument to Prez Shinra's life. Somehow it doesn't make much sense to go "And also here's a picture of my grandfather"
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Apr 25, 2020 19:49
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I wish they had kept Shinra's death closer to what it was in the original game where you find him already dead. The way it happens now, so many things happen at once(he gets stabbed, Barret gets stabbed, Jenova fight happens, Barret gets healed, Sephiroth escapes with Jenova, Rufus shows up) that none of the characters have a chance to really react to his death at all.
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Just beat this, what do you guys make of the scene where Aerith mind melds with Marlene then does the "my lips are sealed" thing?
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Rhonne posted:I wish they had kept Shinra's death closer to what it was in the original game where you find him already dead. The way it happens now, so many things happen at once(he gets stabbed, Barret gets stabbed, Jenova fight happens, Barret gets healed, Sephiroth escapes with Jenova, Rufus shows up) that none of the characters have a chance to really react to his death at all. Yeah all we really get out of the change is Tifa going "Barret you can't kill the president, that's evil" which 
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guts and bolts posted:Here are some fun Cloud facts for everyone while we wait for Final Fantasy VII Revengeance or for the world to end, whichever comes first! This made me remember that there was an American bomber pilot in WW2 who got thrown out of his aircraft, fell 4 miles through the air, landed on the glass ceiling of a train station, and survived.
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Rhonne posted:I wish they had kept Shinra's death closer to what it was in the original game where you find him already dead. The way it happens now, so many things happen at once(he gets stabbed, Barret gets stabbed, Jenova fight happens, Barret gets healed, Sephiroth escapes with Jenova, Rufus shows up) that none of the characters have a chance to really react to his death at all. yeah we don't really need to be told again that President Shinra is a bad guy, and finding him impaled kinda amps the tension of what the hell is going on.
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The way Sephiroth is handled is the worst part of a great game. I probably would have kept the parts where Zack is talking to Cloud instead of having them all whole-sale replaced by Seph hallucinations. Keep the hallucinations that happen when Cloud meets the clones, but don't show Seph's face--use weird camera angles to never give us a good look at him. Have us walk through the door as Seph is stabbing the president. Keep Jenova Dreamweaver and the bit where a second Seph clone take's Jenova's body as the first one dies. Then absolutely do not have a one-winged Advent Children Sephiroth as the final boss c'mon e: oh and dont show us him stealing jenova either cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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fadam posted:Just beat this, what do you guys make of the scene where Aerith mind melds with Marlene then does the "my lips are sealed" thing? Marlene is also an Ancient.
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Apr 25, 2020 20:07
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Cloud is going to use a different version of Omnislash in every game every time he's fighting Sephiroth, and Sephiroth is going to block all of them, up until the last Omnislash is just the original one and it actually connects.
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Did it bug anyone else that Tifa doesn't acknowledge the presence of Sephiroth in the finale once? The game goes as far as showing the flashback of cowboy hat Tifa taking her shot at him in Nibelheim, but she's completely mute about him in the present day. Tifa and Barret seem like they're just along for the ride in general once the Whispers setpiece starts, the two of them don't even have an inkling about why they'd want to change fate but they go along with it without comment because ???
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fadam posted:Just beat this, what do you guys make of the scene where Aerith mind melds with Marlene then does the "my lips are sealed" thing? Marlene's an Ancient. I think there were some theories about that in the original based on hints I never picked up on but this remake provides a ton of evidence, especially like how she can feel Barret calling out for her in the ending. multijoe posted:Did it bug anyone else that Tifa doesn't acknowledge the presence of Sephiroth in the finale once? The game goes as far as showing the flashback of cowboy hat Tifa taking her shot at him in Nibelheim, but she's completely mute about him in the present day. Tifa and Barret seem like they're just along for the ride in general once the Whispers setpiece starts, the two of them don't even have an inkling about why they'd want to change fate but they go along with it without comment because ??? Yeah it sorta felt like the characters just... stopped being people in the ending and started just being Video Game Party Members. Like we just took a temporary break from the story being real to do some extradimensional that was fake and didn't count? Then it's over and they're standing outside Midgar and they're themselves again. The only real exceptions to this were Aerith's "Yeah? So what? Screw him" and Barret's monologue before stepping through the portal. I don't mean that to sound all that dismissive since I'm actually down with the Whispers and defeating them and the story changing going forward. I'm also happy to handwave the crazy anime physics as "they were in a weird extradimensional singularity space." But man it just really felt like the characters should've had more to say about anything that was going on either during it or after it like, y'know, Sephiroth being there apparently in the flesh. Harrow fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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Apr 25, 2020 20:36
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you have to hand it to them for doing a faithful recreation of whatever the gently caress outfit Tifa is wearing during the Kalm flashback (working at a country bar maybe?)
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They were never going to go an entire game without showing Sephiroth on screen, but also the player doesn't know Tifa has a beef with him until just after Midgar. It's a conundrum that they solved by just hoping nobody would notice
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cheetah7071 posted:They were never going to go an entire game without showing Sephiroth on screen, but also the player doesn't know Tifa has a beef with him until just after Midgar. It's a conundrum that they solved by just hoping nobody would notice I mean, they do show us brief flashbacks of Tifa denouncing SOLDIER crying over a man's body (I don't think we know it's her father yet at this point), then picking up a sword that is definitely Sephiroth's. She probably should've at least reacted, even if it was just one line or a single shot of her eyes going wide while she says "Sephiroth!?" in disbelief and fear, really just anything. It's clear that a lot of the times we see Sephiroth, it's only Cloud who sees him--everyone else either sees nothing, or one of the Sephiroth clones like Marco. But in the ending, at least, everyone definitely knows it's him, since Barret acknowledges after the fight that he thought Cloud had just beaten Sephiroth.
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Aerith has more of a reaction to Sephiroth than Tifa does (which is understandable, of course!)
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Harrow posted:Marlene's an Ancient. I think there were some theories about that in the original based on hints I never picked up on but this remake provides a ton of evidence, especially like how she can feel Barret calling out for her in the ending. Is there a theory like that about Marlene? I...guess I could see where they're coming for with her mom and that scene at the end. That seems like a stretch, though. I'm trying to think how that would work thematically even. I guess it would be funny? Tifa not reacting at the end was weird. Maybe we'll get that at the start.
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I mean Tifa is absolutely the queen of denying that there's a problem until her boyfriend helps drop a giant rock on the planet because of it, so it fits
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It made sense in the original because Tifa never emotes. She's seriously a complete blank slate in the original script; my replay is up to Cosmo Canyon and I couldn't tell you the first thing about her
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I mean I can definitely see Tifa being a big ball of denial and anxiety who totally enables Cloud to continue balancing on the edge of insanity. She’s probably not far off from a mental break herself - I wonder if there’s some repressed memory stuff going on with her in the remake.
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HD DAD posted:I mean I can definitely see Tifa being a big ball of denial and anxiety who totally enables Cloud to continue balancing on the edge of insanity. She’s probably not far off from a mental break herself - I wonder if there’s some repressed memory stuff going on with her in the remake. you can practically hear tifa stifling her nervous chuckle every time cloud mentions his SOLDIER "background" in the remake
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Oxxidation posted:you can practically hear tifa stifling her nervous chuckle every time cloud mentions his SOLDIER "background" in the remake I really like this FF7/R animation style analysis, mainly for the point that any Remake version of the Kalm scene where Cloud tells his backstory will have killer reaction shots of Tifa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoA2B4lb_ro Unfortunately he was also looking forward to the Shinra prison scene as a great remake performance showcase and welp
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Oxxidation posted:you can practically hear tifa stifling her nervous chuckle every time cloud mentions his SOLDIER "background" in the remake That would actually be a noticeable change; in the original iirc Cloud hid himself under his helmet and never revealed himself to Tifa while in Nibelheim, out of embarrassment. Tifa didn't know he didn't make SOLDIER. She questions his story in the flashback because he knows details only someone who was there could know but all she remembers is Sephiroth and two nameless grunts.
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cheetah7071 posted:That would actually be a noticeable change; in the original iirc Cloud hid himself under his helmet and never revealed himself to Tifa while in Nibelheim, out of embarrassment. Tifa didn't know he didn't make SOLDIER. She questions his story in the flashback because he knows details only someone who was there could know but all she remembers is Sephiroth and two nameless grunts. tifa saw cloud unmasked after her failed attack on sephiroth, but she'd also been nearly bisected then
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Oxxidation posted:tifa saw cloud unmasked after her failed attack on sephiroth, but she'd also been nearly bisected then She sees it but she doesn't remember it - or if she does, it's only asba fever dream. She's surprised by the revelation that he's the grunt who took real good care of her. cheetah7071 posted:It made sense in the original because Tifa never emotes. She's seriously a complete blank slate in the original script; my replay is up to Cosmo Canyon and I couldn't tell you the first thing about her Try talking to her.
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Tifa has no clue Cloud was there 5 years ago because right at the start of this game when he mentions its been 5 years since they last saw each other she gets really concerned and then pointedly never brings up the subject again. It's great because when you're chasing cats with her or whatever she begins to talk about how she came to Midgar 5 years ago only to immediately change the subject because the whole thing worries her and her solution is to just completely ignore it.
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I was going to play Hard, loaded up my data and discovered that it hadn't saved me beating the game or something because I couldn't select hard, so I sighed and drew my buster sword and for whatever reason I didn't dislike the ending this much time around. Also just noticed that Cloud can't see the canon ghosts until Aerith touches him so that's a neat touch (sorry) that I hadn't picked up on the first time. And early game Seph drops some clues about him being from the future or whatever. On the subject of animation I like how they made Hojo's mouth move in a weird way compared to the other characters, makes him that much more unsettling. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:It's great because when you're chasing cats with her or whatever she begins to talk about how she came to Midgar 5 years ago only to immediately change the subject because the whole thing worries her and her solution is to just completely ignore it. Ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away only for it to get worse and worse is quite possibly the most relatable thing a fictional character can do
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Yeah it's why Tifa rules.
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Harrow posted:I mean, they do show us brief flashbacks of Tifa denouncing SOLDIER crying over a man's body (I don't think we know it's her father yet at this point), then picking up a sword that is definitely Sephiroth's. She probably should've at least reacted, even if it was just one line or a single shot of her eyes going wide while she says "Sephiroth!?" in disbelief and fear, really just anything. Why did Sephiroth just leave his sword behind back then?
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Tifa is one of the best written characters in a video game and people who write her off as the tiddy alternative to Aeris deserve to be thrown into a volcano.
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Rhonne posted:Why did Sephiroth just leave his sword behind back then? he needed both hands to rip out the jenova status
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