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By the way, when the King of Valcenia tella Angela "so the True Queen had a daughter this whole time..." does that ever get expanded on? I didn't notice anything.
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Rand Brittain posted:I mostly just found those very easy to destroy, as compared to some of the others? Xan Bie's all definitely needed a class strike and in the end it was probably easier just to panic heal. Sapozhnik posted:Oh yeah, speaking of which, what's the trick for Dangaard? It spams those constantly and there isn't really any way to avoid its regular attacks either. Ferrinus posted:Okay, after playing through to the postgame, I've identified my one big complaint about this game: doing a class strike doesn't stop time, but also it prevents you from swapping to another character and acting while the class strike is happening. This is almost certainly some sort of balance conceit to the game because you can still damage enemies locked in to the Class Strike animation. For most enemies this just lets you farm CS gauge off of them a bit. For bosses though? It freezes them in place and prevents them from doing their script. Bosses absolutely melt when you can wail on them with abandon. EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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ASenileAnimal posted:i know its insane i just got the 4th class change and im just steamrolling everything with it lol. Rainbow seeds drop 4th class tier gear, and I don't think gold do (but they might). So I suggest you don't use any rainbow ones before you get your 4th class.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:53
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Ferrinus posted:Okay, after playing through to the postgame, I've identified my one big complaint about this game: doing a class strike doesn't stop time, but also it prevents you from swapping to another character and acting while the class strike is happening. Definitely been spoiled with that stuff after playing FF7R being able to swap mid-specials/animation. Also the fact that you can't "turn off" certain class strikes for AI. Little things like these where you just wish it had more QoL or something
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Once I finish the game and want to do the other 2 characters paths, which is the better option, New Game or New Game+? I've seen people post that New Game+ carries over your characters level, won't that take away all the fun by being extremely overpowered? Is there a story difference from going New Game+ ?
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Apr 28, 2020 19:00
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Bruceski posted:By the way, when the King of Valcenia tella Angela "so the True Queen had a daughter this whole time..." does that ever get expanded on? I didn't notice anything. The heavy implication is that Angela is the daughter of the True Queen and the Hero King. I don't think the game ever directly spells it out though but it alludes to it a couple times (Which is weird because in most other ways the game's pretty ham-fisted about every other twist-shaped plot point almost immediately, with only the Darkshine Knight being handled with any kind of tact.).
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Ferrinus posted:Okay, after playing through to the postgame, I've identified my one big complaint about this game: doing a class strike doesn't stop time, but also it prevents you from swapping to another character and acting while the class strike is happening. Yeah this is my biggest complaint too. You have to pop a CS, wait for the animation to finish, switch to another character, target another thing, pop another CS, and repeat. And there's no way to do any of this while the game is paused, and the timing on these mechanics is usually pretty tight. If you mess up an input you will probably fail.
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Any advice on making my Kevin/Charlotte/Hawkeye run more fun? I just got the shadow friend and I知 finding the game kinda boring.
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Apr 28, 2020 19:36
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Anyone else notice other games crashing on start or failing to start at all after running the Steam version of this game? Rebooting my system fixes it but it's still a pain in the rear end.
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Apr 28, 2020 19:37
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fadam posted:Any advice on making my Kevin/Charlotte/Hawkeye run more fun? I just got the shadow friend and I知 finding the game kinda boring. Have you switched classes yet?
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gandlethorpe posted:Have you switched classes yet? Ya I went dark for all of them.
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Mr. Locke posted:The heavy implication is that Angela is the daughter of the True Queen and the Hero King. I don't think the game ever directly spells it out though but it alludes to it a couple times (Which is weird because in most other ways the game's pretty ham-fisted about every other twist-shaped plot point almost immediately, with only the Darkshine Knight being handled with any kind of tact.). There's a prequel for the DS that ALSO refuses to come out and say that, but does add in a whole subplot where Flamekhan had another kid, who he disowns for being on the other side of the game's conflict. She has Hawkeye and apparently dies, so Flamekhan takes him in and tells him he's a random orphan he found. It's a weird decision.
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fadam posted:Any advice on making my Kevin/Charlotte/Hawkeye run more fun? I just got the shadow friend and I知 finding the game kinda boring. Dark Kevin is as simple as ABC. Always Be Class-striking There are a couple of skills that give you a 10% or 15% refund on your class strikes, and they stack. His level 1 CS is better for groups of trash mobs than his level 2. Also if you haven't gotten used to his combos, you really should, it's good consistent damage output and it also builds your CS gauge faster. IMJack fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Defiance Industries posted:There's a prequel for the DS that ALSO refuses to come out and say that, but does add in a whole subplot where Flamekhan had another kid, who he disowns for being on the other side of the game's conflict. She has Hawkeye and apparently dies, so Flamekhan takes him in and tells him he's a random orphan he found. It's a weird decision. Which is very, very weird, because it means Hawkeye's primary love interest is his literal biological aunt.
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Currently peeking through my blinds at the UPS truck parked by the mailboxes. I've never wanted to play a game so badly
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Rand Brittain posted:Which is very, very weird, because it means Hawkeye's primary love interest is his literal biological aunt. Angry Hawkeye/Rieszposting.
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I'm thinking of going... Duran: Liege (L/D) for Party Heal (he will be my most-often controlled char and I like to control healing for this) Angela: Archmage (L/D) for multitarget L2 spells, choosing this over Grand Diviner (L/L) for the MP Saver skill Kevin: Fatal Fist (D/D) for extreme damage Any good synergies I'm overlooking with this crew? I haven't done my first class changes so I've still got full flexibility. gandlethorpe posted:Currently peeking through my blinds at the UPS truck parked by the mailboxes. I've never wanted to play a game so badly I hope it arrives for you quick bud!
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Apr 28, 2020 20:21
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Poque posted:I'm thinking of going... Okay, there is *one* combo. Kevin God Hand L/L / Duran Duelist D/D I am completely unsure if this still exists, but God Hand in the original gets Aura Wave which fills the tech meter and Duelist gets Eruption sword, which is the strongest class skill in the game. I'd check that for sure.
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Apr 28, 2020 20:31
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Do level ups always give the same number of training points no matter what? For example, right now it alternates between giving me 1 and 2 points and it has since around the time I class changed the first time. Will it start giving me more after I class change again? Or does that start at a specific level?
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Hahahaha, I freakin' did it! Took a bit of min-maxing but really the clincher was in changing up how I approached the fight. While my first really good time (1:00:69) involved an AI CS stunning her so I could wail on her they ended up being a liability more than a boon. Because they slow down the second phase immensely. I lost a good handful of times to their CS's keeping the boss around for the animation to finish. I ended up turning off the AI's Class Strikes and just wailing on her manually in the first phase. Turns out as long as she uses her slow attack she's very susceptible to being ripped apart. Especially if you back attack for maximum crits. Second Phase also required a change in my approach. Mainly to the CS I used on Kevin. As much as Class 4's kamehameha is awesome and does a lot of hits, it doesn't have THAT big of an AoE. In my record run I accidentally messed up and used Phenomenal Strike (for less than what my normal light attack string could do.) With the clock ticking and the boss still having most of it's health I went 'gently caress IT SUZAKU SKY DANCE.' It proceeded to do almost all the rest of her health bar. At first I thought it had killed her outright from 95 or so with the AI chipping in, but there was a tiny sliver of health left. So I just cherry tapped her with a light attack and that was that. Turns out the boss's model is huge enough that I wasn't hitting all of it's parts with Torrent and I did with Suzaku  Here's the stats, gear and ability setups I used (spoilered for people who don't want to see them.) There's a little bit more optimization I could do, namely that Riesz didn't have enough training points in STR to get Attacker II to share with Kevin instead of his Payback III. (Which would give him another +40 ATK/-40 DEF.) But overall I'm satisfied with this result especially since I did it at level 80. Dark/Light Kevin Light/Light Charlotte Dark/Dark Reisz    So yeah, time for New Game + for me. Arkeus posted:Rainbow seeds drop 4th class tier gear, and I don't think gold do (but they might). So I suggest you don't use any rainbow ones before you get your 4th class. fadam posted:Any advice on making my Kevin/Charlotte/Hawkeye run more fun? I just got the shadow friend and I'm finding the game kinda boring.
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Natural 20 posted:I am completely unsure if this still exists, but God Hand in the original gets Aura Wave which fills the tech meter and Duelist gets Eruption sword, which is the strongest class skill in the game. The equivalent skill in this game makes you get CS faster rather than filling the meter.
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Natural 20 posted:Okay, there is *one* combo. I think Nature Aura (aka Aura Wave) works differently. Not sure the specifics, but it appears to increase the amount of CS gauge filled by the blue drops. Could also work on other sources. Still, should be a great way of maintaining CS. I'm planning to do a D/D Kevin with L/L Hawkeye as the Nature Aura bot. The added bonus is that Kevin gets abilities that reduce the cost of CS, so you don't need a full bar to start a fight with the strongest one.
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Liege is great because it has passives that increase the attack, magic, and defense of your whole party, so it really plays well with anyone. I'm really enjoying my Archmage/Liege/Warlock party.
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EponymousMrYar posted:Hahahaha, I freakin' did it! Nice. Do you get anything for sub-minute or is 2 the bar and it's a personal goal?
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Apr 28, 2020 20:42
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Bruceski posted:Nice. Do you get anything for sub-minute or is 2 the bar and it's a personal goal? 2 is the bar for material/ability rewards. Sub 1 minute was my personal goal because I got so close that one time on a fluke.
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EponymousMrYar posted:2 is the bar for material/ability rewards. Sub 1 minute was my personal goal because I got so close that one time on a fluke. Okay. Since the game hides achievements I wasn't sure.
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Archmage Angela owns (and I love the voice acting, don't hate  I LOVE SHOPPING ) but before I start over with her (Rune Seer this time, I think), I need to finish Anise's dungeon. That one's a bit exhausting IMO.lezard_valeth posted:Once I finish the game and want to do the other 2 characters paths, which is the better option, New Game or New Game+? I've seen people post that New Game+ carries over your characters level, won't that take away all the fun by being extremely overpowered? Is there a story difference from going New Game+ ?
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lezard_valeth posted:Once I finish the game and want to do the other 2 characters paths, which is the better option, New Game or New Game+? I've seen people post that New Game+ carries over your characters level, won't that take away all the fun by being extremely overpowered? Is there a story difference from going New Game+ ? There's no point not doing NG+. You start as normal, but you have access to ALL items except key story items. This includes class change items and seeds (don't use them until you've class changed to 3 or 4 if you are looking for equipment). The biggest thing though is you carry over ALL chain abilities that aren't tied to class picks. This is the part that can break the game for you, so if you don't want to do that, just don't equip them. E.g. I started my 2nd NG+ and equipped +200 cs at battle start and +300% xp bonus, and everything was a breeze until benevodons. With the 300% xp bonus I was 99 by the time I fought Anise with absolutely no grinding whatsoever. On the other hand, waiting for ??? seeds (because I didn't farm them) meant that for Riesz who had no luck, I was mid 50s before she changed into class 3 Inflammatory posted:it's level based afaik. by the time i finished the postgame in the 80's i was getting 6 points per level. Yup and it ends at 7 points in the 90s iirc, and by 99 you can max out everything with 0 points left Dackel fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Do level ups always give the same number of training points no matter what? For example, right now it alternates between giving me 1 and 2 points and it has since around the time I class changed the first time. Will it start giving me more after I class change again? Or does that start at a specific level? it's level based afaik. by the time i finished the postgame in the 80's i was getting 6 points per level.
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Holy loving poo poo Angela completely disintegrated the final boss on her story path. Bosses with multiple hit boxes are very allergic to Lucent Beam Plus, I guess!
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Kyrosiris posted:Holy loving poo poo Angela completely disintegrated the final boss on her story path. Bosses with multiple hit boxes are very allergic to Lucent Beam Plus, I guess! Same
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Finally here! Gotta make sure not to spook the Amazon man Hah, took it right out of the bubble wrap just as the demo intro I had playing on loop transitioned into Angel's Fear
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Arkeus posted:As insane as is Lucent Beam+ spam, Ancient curse is just better for pure DPS against bosses. Lucent Beam+ speam (or other appropriate elements) are really drat good for killing slightly weaker enemies quicker though, because cast time. quote:How does Doppleganger compare to Glittering Dust? I know Glittering Dust had annoyingly small AoE that didn't work too well against Anise's first form. quote:Once I finish the game and want to do the other 2 characters paths, which is the better option, New Game or New Game+? I've seen people post that New Game+ carries over your characters level, won't that take away all the fun by being extremely overpowered? Is there a story difference from going New Game+ ? Also, I don't think anyone posted it yet, so from what I can figure out here is a complete list of what carries over in New Game+: Items(Including Item seeds, class reset items, and class 3 items, but not class 4 items) Equipment(But keep in mind your old weapon/armor is probably unusable by lower tier classes) Money Play time(in the top left corner) Chain Abilities(regardless of whether the character they came from is in your party any more) Lil' Cactus status Level and stats carry over, but class is reset to tier one Training points are refunded Map uncovering status...or whatever you want to call it. You also unlock some new chain abilities based on which characters were previously in your party, plus a new +300%XP chain ability Selane fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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So I知 playing the Switch demo and I picked Angela, Kevin, and... uh... spear girl and just recruited Kevin. Kevin痴 voice acting is a little bit dopey, but he has been inoffensive so far. Angela is cool but I know she is terrible at magic right now but... man, a mage just wailing on enemies with their staff is both hilarious and kind of sad. When do I start picking up some spells? But I am somewhat leaning towards picking this up; dunno if I want to get the PS4 version for 60 FPS but it痴 not looking like the combat is -that- fast where it値l be a big deal breaker over the Switch version
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Angela can learn her first spell once you beat the boss at the end of the demo. There won't be much to use it on until you get the full game, but you can sample it on the mobs around there.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:35
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Does luck influence item drops and/or chest contents? If so, does it matter which character opens a chest or does the game use the highest Luck value of your party?
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Apr 28, 2020 22:52
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It's a minor thing I know but I kind of wish that they'd kept everybody's doofy victory animations and Riesz's doofy box opening animation, it was really cute.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:00
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MH Knights posted:Does luck influence item drops and/or chest contents? If so, does it matter which character opens a chest or does the game use the highest Luck value of your party? Chests are fixed. Item drops I think become more common with higher luck, but I don't believe it influences what you get.
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I'm trying to remember if the original game had roulette traps in chests like Secret of Mana does. I am happy this game does not.
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