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someone say "death of the author" so we can wrap this up
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i dunno, the ending took place over this big swelling string section as joel monologued about the importance of survival, driving away from the corpses of the people who'd died in service to his own spiritual fulfillment that's unsubtle enough so that i'd call it deliberate for a AAA story
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Apr 28, 2020 20:39
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precision posted:Telephone spoiler summaries are always gonna be extremely suspect, and doing a switch to Abby is so drastic that I feel like it kind of has to be done fairly well. Amy Hennig's version would have been better. Seems like there's a common denominator between the projects
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Apr 28, 2020 20:41
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Stux posted:someone say "death of the author" so we can wrap this up Sure, I'll put it right behind this here spoiler tag: Sike! It was ludonarrative dissonance all along!
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Apr 28, 2020 20:43
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Dewgy posted:Sure, I'll put it right behind this here spoiler tag: Sike! It was ludonarrative dissonance all along!  CharlieFoxtrot posted:Amy Hennig's version would have been better. A lot of projects have that one person and that one other person who thinks it's them and gets put in charge when the 1st one leaves and poo poo breaks.
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Apr 28, 2020 20:47
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Should I play KOTOR?
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Apr 28, 2020 20:50
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halwain posted:Obvious Spoiler in the Video this is disgusting what the gently caress?
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Apr 28, 2020 21:01
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Zeta Acosta posted:this is disgusting what the gently caress? I mentioned the movie Blue Ruin earlier ITT and it looks like I was pretty much spot on. 
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Apr 28, 2020 21:03
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Oxxidation posted:at least the first game had something to say about the human condition even if it wasn't breaking any new ground, this one's just using the studio's clout to dial up its r-rated imagery as far as it can go I mean, I actually excited for this based off of what I heard. Joel was a real piece of poo poo in the first game that I think people just kind of gloss over because you play as him. Like his whole past as a hunter where he admits he has done some pretty reprehensible poo poo. To me, I think this fits because Joel has always been angry White Male to me. I feel like I am one of the few that didn't sympathize with Joel and Ellie at all.
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Apr 28, 2020 21:06
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Leaked mocap from the big death
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Apr 28, 2020 21:26
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grieving for Gandalf posted:it was dumb A valid opinion but most uncharted fans liked 4 a lot.
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Apr 28, 2020 21:31
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Amy Hennig's version would have been better. If not better, at least "more interesting", but I'm still pretty drat happy with how well Sam turned out as a character. It definitely wasn't a Poochie sitch
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Apr 28, 2020 21:33
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Zeta Acosta posted:this is disgusting what the gently caress? Video games are ~art~
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Apr 28, 2020 21:34
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also lol if cyberpunk 2077 comes out and manages to tell a mature story with engaging gameplay after naughty dog no fun allowed magnus opus
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Apr 28, 2020 21:38
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yeah im sure cyberpunk 2077 will manage to do that
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Apr 28, 2020 21:51
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Panzeh posted:Yeah it was lame when bioshock did it, when spec ops the line did it, when far cry 3 did it, and it doesn't stop being a lame conceit. I'm still kinda okay with holding my judgement until I can see the story as a whole with respect to Last of Us 2(The original kinda works okay though the limited resource setpieces were way more interesting gameplaywise than the plot ended up being) spec ops the line is 1000x the game that the last of us was. Didnt need the zombie setting and was actually honest about the horrors of the world, also it didnt pull out the "behind the monster there was a good person all along" cope out. Walker was a blood thirsty mercenary and he payed for it. Zeta Acosta fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 21:57
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Donut Abby mode where a big blob brutally beats the audience's surrogate daughter leaving her a bleeding quivering mess on the floor
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Apr 28, 2020 21:58
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I guess everyone at some point needs to have their first experience with a work of fiction that subverts the idea of good guys and bad guys and asks who the real monsters are. I mean, there's a never ending stream of young people coming of age who need the latest version of a YA novel, or a grim dark take on your comic book heroes, or whatever else that marks their transition from child to edgy teen. I grew up loving loving Rob Leifeld and thinking that Mignola's guest issue of X-Force was trash, so I can't really fault whoever's going to take TLOU2 as their moment of transformational discovery that games can be more than a power fantasy and art can have meta commentary. But I can be all old and condescending as gently caress about it.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:14
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doingitwrong posted:I grew up loving loving Rob Leifeld I wish we had a dumb Stan Lee smilie I could post at mentions of Liefeld.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmLFGWAyajU
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Zeta Acosta posted:also lol if cyberpunk 2077 comes out and manages to tell a mature story with engaging gameplay after naughty dog no fun allowed magnus opus "Mature" is not the first word that springs to mind when describing a game that is basically gonna be a Trapper Keeper come to life (to be clear, in an awesome way)
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Apr 28, 2020 22:28
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Now isn’t Abby voiced by Laura Bailey who also voices Chun Li who also has thighs of steel. Coincidence? I think not.
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doingitwrong posted:I guess everyone at some point needs to have their first experience with a work of fiction that subverts the idea of good guys and bad guys and asks who the real monsters are. I mean, there's a never ending stream of young people coming of age who need the latest version of a YA novel, or a grim dark take on your comic book heroes, or whatever else that marks their transition from child to edgy teen. neither optimistic or pessimistic media is any indicator of maturity in either way and its possible to just enjoy both. also i dont think anyone is saying tlou2 is going to be a transformational game in any sense at all. not even saying it will be good because i think its pretty impossible to know from plot beats like this in complete isolation.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:32
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someone splice the parts where abby brutally murders everyone with hotline miami sfx i'm too lazy
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Apr 28, 2020 22:32
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Are there even any loving zombies in this dumbass game?
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fridge corn posted:Are there even any loving zombies in this dumbass game? all people are zombies if you really think about it
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Apr 28, 2020 22:38
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all these new posts makes me want to read a thesis on tommy weisu's the room
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Apr 28, 2020 22:39
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I read the spoilers and they are absolute garbage loving trash. Joel deserves way better.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:45
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titty fat pizza posted:I read the spoilers and they are absolute garbage loving trash. Joel deserves way better. Well yeah, that's probably true of random mook #26 who Joel made eat a brick to the face too, but ain't nobody gettin' pissed off about him!
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Apr 28, 2020 22:53
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Booty Pageant posted:someone splice the parts where abby brutally murders everyone with hotline miami sfx i'm too lazy We can't Sony is doing DMCA takedowns of everything actually talking about what in the game (allegedly) Still not a peep about working conditions though
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Apr 28, 2020 23:01
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titty fat pizza posted:I read the spoilers and they are absolute garbage loving trash. Joel deserves way better. Joel honestly doesn't, which is the thing. Joel is a self-admitted murderer even before the events of the first game. He was callous and cruel and tortures and kills people. The fact that we have empathy for him due to his circumstances and his relationship with his adoptive daughter doesn't change the fact that he is in fact a really bad person and doing what he feels is necessary for the survival of himself and those close to him. Basically the only meaningful difference between him and the people he kills is that he's our viewpoint character and we have more empathy for him. Of the problems with TLOU2's leaked story "Joel dies a miserable and depressing death" is probably the least of them.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:08
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halwain posted:Obvious Spoiler in the Video feel bad or the workers forced to crunch to turn out this eli roth tier garbage
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Apr 28, 2020 23:19
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Dewgy posted:Well yeah, that's probably true of random mook #26 who Joel made eat a brick to the face too, but ain't nobody gettin' pissed off about him! really makes u think- neil durkmann
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Apr 28, 2020 23:26
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genuinely shocking to find out thru this thread people liked joel and/or thought he was good in any possible way lol
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Apr 28, 2020 23:28
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The fireflies sucked and killing them was pretty cool and good 
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Apr 28, 2020 23:31
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I'll be honest I just cheer for whoever happens to be controlled by the left stick at any given time. It's me, I'm the person who sudden character shifts were written for.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:33
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Yardbomb posted:The fireflies sucked and killing them was pretty cool and good correct Stux posted:genuinely shocking to find out thru this thread people liked joel and/or thought he was good in any possible way lol thats on naughty dog, they wrote the game that way. examples of awful character who arent good people walker in specs ops the line big boss in mgsv
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Apr 28, 2020 23:35
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ImpAtom posted:Joel honestly doesn't, which is the thing. I disagree. Joel is the game. The original would not have been anywhere close to as good as it was without him. Joel redeemed himself through Ellie and now that and everything else they went through in part one means gently caress all. Playing as his killer for half of the game is the stupidest twist in any game ever. gently caress everything about it.
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Apr 28, 2020 23:35
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Yardbomb posted:The fireflies sucked and killing them was pretty cool and good  But joel was also still a mostly bad person. I mean from the beginning you know he and Tess were all Bonnie and Clyde. Learning to love Ellie didn't make him a good person and it' not even hinted at so there's not much evidence for the Good Joel theory
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titty fat pizza posted:I disagree. Joel is the game. The original would not have been anywhere close to as good as it was without him. Joel redeemed himself through Ellie and now that and everything else they went through in part one means gently caress all. Playing as his killer for half of the game is the stupidest twist in any game ever. gently caress everything about it. youve really like, conflated two things. joel as a character, as the player character, is fantastic and makes the game. joel the character is completely morally compromised and a monster.
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