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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. this is peak galaxy brain because who the gently caress is marginalized that won't suffer under Trump but would under Biden? The only reason I will hold my nose and vote for democratic senile racist over republican senile racist (instead of a no vote or write in) is because real people have said that no vote or write in hurts them because the Trump administration policies are so barbaric. Even if you think you haven't been harmed by them you have. Biden loving sucks and a return to Obama neoliberalism is garbage but our choice is accelerationism or going back a few steps and this disingenuous both sides argument is bullshit.
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Prester Jane posted:Serious question: how can you simply ignore her funding the child concentration camps? I'm being honest here, how are you able to simply gloss over the fact that this woman happily enabled literal concentration camps for children? What exactly are you referring to?
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Mystic Mongol posted:Vote for Biden! What've you got to lose?
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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. Jesus loving christ do you realize what an rear end in a top hat you sound like?
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Mystic Mongol posted:Vote for Biden! What've you got to lose? Oh look, an idiotic false equivalency. Sometimes I think you people get your rocks off from doing this.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. My loved ones don't get to die just so your loving "team" wins at politics. This is absolutely monstrous.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Oh look, an idiotic false equivalency. Sometimes I think you people get your rocks off from doing this. Sometimes?
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I said it before but this administration's appointees have actively put my friends and coworkers in danger so the whole "but Biden will be just as bad" rings real loving hollow, you goddamn ghouls.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Jesus loving christ do you realize what an rear end in a top hat you sound like?
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Crows Turn Off posted:Who would die under Biden that wouldn't die under Trump? Have you considered that Trump vs Biden is not the sum total of the universe? Millions are dying and millions more are suffering as long as we accept right-wing politicians regardless of party. Whether you want Trump to win in the hopes that it makes the Democratic party easier to take over by weakening the conservative establishment, or you just want to make clear you will only vote for leftists, the point is that the minor reduction in harm provided by Biden is not adequate to surrender leftist goals. Claiming that people who don't vote for Biden think Trump is a good president or whatever is just moronic and asinine.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Who would die under Biden that wouldn't die under Trump? if the man's legislative and executive histories are any marker? an awful lot of people in central america and the middle east, as well as a lot more people deported. because 1. Joe Biden agrees with Donald Trump that America is full, and our precious white blood must not be adulterated by their criminal taint 2. Joe Biden has never seen a war that was not just, a right-wing coup that was not called for, or a third-world country undeserving of a regime change 3. Joe Biden has long believed that if democrats were just a -little- more brutal to minorities, it would get Republican voters to vote for Democrats. 4. unlike Donald Trump, Joe Biden is unlikely to immediately back down from doing something on grounds he got bored. history shows he is far more likely to double down on it, in the name of trying to present a strong front. Trump is a big believer in presentation, but he's a lovely administrator, for which reason despite all his horrific cruelties and blunders he is well behind the pace the man he hates most in all the world set for purging America of the unacceptably-colored. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Crows Turn Off posted:Who would die under Biden that wouldn't die under Trump? PerniciousKnid posted:Have you considered that Trump vs Biden is not the sum total of the universe? Millions are dying and millions more are suffering as long as we accept right-wing politicians regardless of party. Whether you want Trump to win in the hopes that it makes the Democratic party easier to take over by weakening the conservative establishment, or you just want to make clear you will only vote for leftists, the point is that the minor reduction in harm provided by Biden is not adequate to surrender leftist goals. so you're not even going to try to answer the question then
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friendbot2000 posted:My loved ones don't get to die just so your loving "team" wins at politics. This is absolutely monstrous. Joe Biden disagrees, friendbot. now get out there, Wisconsin, and vote like your life didn't depend on it!
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PerniciousKnid posted:Have you considered that Trump vs Biden is not the sum total of the universe? Millions are dying and millions more are suffering as long as we accept right-wing politicians regardless of party. Whether you want Trump to win in the hopes that it makes the Democratic party easier to take over by weakening the conservative establishment, or you just want to make clear you will only vote for leftists, the point is that the minor reduction in harm provided by Biden is not adequate to surrender leftist goals. You LITERALLY just advocated for Trump getting a second term in the hopes that it would usher in a Glorious Socialist Paradise four years later. Like, you just did this. Come on, man.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Have you considered that Trump vs Biden is not the sum total of the universe? Millions are dying and millions more are suffering as long as we accept right-wing politicians regardless of party. Whether you want Trump to win in the hopes that it makes the Democratic party easier to take over by weakening the conservative establishment, or you just want to make clear you will only vote for leftists, the point is that the minor reduction in harm provided by Biden is not adequate to surrender leftist goals. Harm reduction is people's lives you utter sack of garbage
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Apr 30, 2020 04:49
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friendbot2000 posted:My loved ones don't get to die just so your loving "team" wins at politics. This is absolutely monstrous. Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins, monsterism is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry your loving team is nominating a right-wing rapist capitalist.
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"Maybe if you thought about all the people who'd die under Biden you'd understand why leftists prefer Trump" "Who exactly would Biden be killing?" "IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT TRUMP VERSUS BIDEN YOU SHITLIB"
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PerniciousKnid posted:Have you considered that Trump vs Biden is not the sum total of the universe? In our current universe, they are the two choices we have for the presidency. quote:Millions are dying and millions more are suffering as long as we accept right-wing politicians regardless of party. Whether you want Trump to win in the hopes that it makes the Democratic party easier to take over by weakening the conservative establishment, or you just want to make clear you will only vote for leftists, the point is that the minor reduction in harm provided by Biden is not adequate to surrender leftist goals. What makes you think that the reduction in harm will be "minor"? Minor in what sense? Please be specific. quote:Claiming that people who don't vote for Biden think Trump is a good president or whatever is just moronic and asinine. I mean, not voting for Biden is the same as voting for Trump, so...
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Prester Jane posted:I love the disingenuous shift going on in the conversation here. Criticism of Nancy Pelosi has been recast into advocacy for Donald Trump, and its given an excuse for a bunch of people to climb up on moral high-horses so they can denounce the people criticizing the enabler of child concentration camps as monsters who want Trump to win. No it hasn't. You've constructed this strawman and now you're patting yourself on the back for knocking it down.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins You have yet to demonstrate that your loved ones who would die under Biden would not die under Trump. We're all still waiting for specific examples. Please list them soon, thanks.
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Apr 30, 2020 04:51
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PerniciousKnid posted:Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins, monsterism is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry your loving team is nominating a right-wing rapist capitalist. Your "team" is advocating four more years of abject horror in the hopes that you'll finally get your leftist white whale in 2024. That there is the height of privileged and selfish, guy.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Harm reduction is people's lives you utter sack of garbage sure is. there's a woman on a ventilator in Wisconsin right now. Joe Biden told her it was safe to go to the polls. do you tell her family that she will ride eternal, shiny and chrome, provided she doesn't get means-tested out of her ticket to Valhalla?
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enraged_camel posted:You have yet to demonstrate that your loved ones who would die under Biden would not die under Trump. Please lecture us more about how one of the architects of the Iraq war has earned a moral imperative to vote for him based on the need to minimize human suffering.
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eke out posted:so you're not even going to try to answer the question then I reject the premise of the question on the grounds that it is stupid. You're just deliberately ignoring the point so you can browbeat people into voting for the candidate you don't like. I'm genuinely befuddled by all the people going on about how "look I hate Biden too but how could anyone not vote for this rear end in a top hat?" I get that people have specific issues and Biden checks enough boxes for some folks that it's worth holding your noses, but how can you not understand that he's a bridge too far for some people? Are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you really believe that only your own issues are life-and-death, and anyone else's issues are pure vanity?
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PerniciousKnid posted:Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins, monsterism is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry your loving team is nominating a right-wing rapist capitalist. Holy poo poo. Why didnt anyone tell me I was on Team Biden while campaigning for Bernie Sanders in Virginia!? Do you think they will let me recast my primary vote? Or is it too late for that? Just lol if you think I am happy with Biden being the nominee.
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Please lecture us more about how one of the architects of the Iraq war has earned a moral imperative to vote for him based on the need to minimize human suffering. He's running against the most incompetent, malevolent shithead of a world leader since Adolf Hitler? That isn't enough?
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PerniciousKnid posted:Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins Multiple people have asked.
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PerniciousKnid posted:I reject the premise of the question on the grounds that it is stupid. hmmm i wonder who it was that posted this then? quote:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. maybe your internet is broken and you can't see the post or something i guess it will remain a mystery to all involved who started this train of argument by claiming that lots of people will die, in particular, to Biden -- so much so that Trump is preferable, even!
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PerniciousKnid posted:Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins, monsterism is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry your loving team is nominating a right-wing rapist capitalist. I work at a park that gets six and a half visitors every year and tens of thousands by the day, crammed into a small visitor center or at an overlook smaller than a community pool. Trump's Secretary of the Interior refused to close the park when the Park superintendent, NPS region, the county board of supervisors, and the director of the National Park Service were begging him to. I work with the sweetest and most dedicated people you can imagine, who've spent huge sections of their lives working to educate people and protect the environment. A lot of them are older, this is a later career, and they are absolutely in the danger zone for this virus. And now SecINT wants to open the park back up. Eat poo poo you absolute son of a bitch. How loving dare you try and tell me whose lives are at stake in this election?
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PerniciousKnid posted:Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins, monsterism is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry your loving team is nominating a right-wing rapist capitalist. gently caress off. so you basically pin all your hopes on that trump burns the country so MAYBE Bernie or AOC wins in 2024(both of whom think we should try to win NOW with biden and than build up the progressive wing more). biden is meh but at least i know i will be able to keep my healthcare because i sure as gently caress know that if trump gets in, pre existings will roar right back and than my folks and I and friendbots wife are hosed. but i guess we are "acceptable losses".
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:He's running against the most incompetent, malevolent shithead of a world leader since Adolf Hitler? Good point. We really need to get a different incompetent, malevolent shithead instead. I get that voting for the lesser of two evils is all we can really do but the knee jerk reaction to criticism against Biden is ridiculous. No, we don't love Trump because we think Biden is a piece of poo poo.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Who? What group is more at risk under Biden than Trump? latin americans, middle easterners, and people who require social security in order to not die
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Please lecture us more about how one of the architects of the Iraq war has earned a moral imperative to vote for him based on the need to minimize human suffering. Hey, you loving shithead, I'm Middle Eastern. If there is anyone in this stupid thread who has personally suffered the horrors of the Iraq War, it is me. You don't get to do this, though. I asked a question: how would your loved ones die under Biden, and not under Trump? Answer it first, and I'll maybe consider answering yours.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I work at a park that gets six and a half visitors every year and tens of thousands by the day, crammed into a small visitor center or at an overlook smaller than a community pool. Your moral outrage here is completely undermined by the fact that Biden literally jus putt hundreds of thousands of lives at risk in pursuance of his own power.
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Please lecture us more about how one of the architects of the Iraq war has earned a moral imperative to vote for him based on the need to minimize human suffering. Calling Biden an architect of the Iraq War is such a loving stretch the goat man would think it's too much.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. Every minority that gets hosed by the Donald Trump presidency thanks you for your sacrifice to the leftist cause.
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enraged_camel posted:Hey, you loving shithead, I'm Middle Eastern. If there is anyone in this stupid thread who has personally suffered the horrors of the Iraq War, it is me. I criticize Biden for helping to lead us into a war that affects you personally and that makes me a poo poo head. This is the state of discourse on the left apparently.
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