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BigglesSWE posted:Ugh, I liked Origins but I did not like their take on the Ides of March. Tell me about it. Not looking forward to see them make Alfred the Templar villain and invading viking raiders the badass protagonists. Hopefully both "sides" will be more nuanced but if Origins Caesar and Cleopatra is anything to go by then i doubt it. Wish they had the guts to only have a female protagonist chooseable. As it was in Odyssey the setting treats you identically because they have to make it work for both sexes without spending effort in modifying two separate stories. So Kassandra faces the same dialogue and reactions from famously misogynist Athenians and other Greeks as Alexios. The character overcoming those odds could be a great part of plot but o guess Ubisoft gonna hedge their bets.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_nb_YECQoQ Game devs spergin out over their work. Mameluke posted:The Eurogamer article mentions river combat and the game being largely set in Britain, so I'm going to assume that means the map will be loving huge. It'll probably be also lumpy as poo poo to fit multiple navigable boat rivers on the same map as a full North Sea and Britain. Holy poo poo yes yes yes I loved how diverse the water areas were in Rogue and if they just translate it to a seamless map for Valhalla I'll be so ecstatic. 
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Falukorv posted:Tell me about it. Not looking forward to see them make Alfred the Templar villain and invading viking raiders the badass protagonists. Hopefully both "sides" will be more nuanced but if Origins Caesar and Cleopatra is anything to go by then i doubt it. reading the articles, it sounds like they are pushing a bit of both sides deal. Alfred is the antagonist but he isnt Borgia or anything and there will be evil viking and poo poo.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:11
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Evil Canadian posted:Vikings are like Pirates. Everyone knows they are kinda badguys but pop culture as a whole forgives 'em for it cause they steal from and murder people in a way that's fun for the whole family. If you're known down through history chances are killing a lot of people factors into why. Like how people are only going to remember the name Gandhi because of his insane nuclear warfare.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:13
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Mameluke posted:The Eurogamer article mentions river combat and the game being largely set in Britain, so I'm going to assume that means the map will be loving huge. It'll probably be also lumpy as poo poo to fit multiple navigable boat rivers on the same map as a full North Sea and Britain. Considering the fit all of Greece into one game by making everything smaller, I bet they'll have the entire UK or at least the four kingdoms, but mini
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Deakul posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_nb_YECQoQ Dual wielding shields confirmed, holy poo poo
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Apr 30, 2020 18:17
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Vikings are known for being invaders because the people who bothered to write poo poo down about them were the ones who got pillaged. But in actuality they were like any other medieval agrarian society at the time except much better because they had a cooler mythology and scared the British.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:18
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Deakul posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_nb_YECQoQ Yeah they pretty much say here that they game will take place in the 4 kingdoms, so I'm imagining they'll have they entire place be exploreable, scaled for a game world
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Apr 30, 2020 18:22
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exquisite tea posted:Vikings are known for being invaders because the people who bothered to write poo poo down about them were the ones who got pillaged. But in actuality they were like any other medieval agrarian society at the time except much better because they had a cooler mythology and scared the British. They committed human sacrifice lol
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Apr 30, 2020 18:36
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Whorelord posted:They committed human sacrifice lol Largely apocryphal and not widely practiced, if at all.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:38
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exquisite tea posted:Vikings are known for being invaders because the people who bothered to write poo poo down about them were the ones who got pillaged. But in actuality they were like any other medieval agrarian society at the time except much better because they had a cooler mythology and scared the British. My favorite minor fact is from a historian whose account of them being grimy barbarians also included how they'd bathe once a week and meticulously cared for their hair and beards, well above the medieval European standard of hygeine. Also, just because I'm sure this point will be made eventually, viking was the old Norse word for seafarer, so the vikings were mostly raiders, while the Norse were agrarian, same as anyone. Also also, I will personally die on the hill that proper modern viking music is the stuff that just doubles down on the percussion and throat singing, such as the works of Eivør. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHEFi-AOtg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsFQ-VUeMw
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:My favorite minor fact is from a historian whose account of them being grimy barbarians also included how they'd bathe once a week and meticulously cared for their hair and beards, well above the medieval European standard of hygeine. Yeah there’s a letter written by the English where they were upset with the Vikings due to their better hygiene and grooming habits giving them a leg up with the ladies
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Apr 30, 2020 18:41
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exquisite tea posted:Largely apocryphal and not widely practiced, if at all. Nope it definitely happened
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Whorelord posted:Nope it definitely happened No, it really didn't. There's actually very little evidence to support that human sacrifice use to ever really be a thing throughout the world, and what is there is flimsy and comes from really unreliable sources.
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I said come in! posted:No, it really didn't. There's actually very little evidence to support that human sacrifice use to ever really be a thing throughout the world, and what is there is flimsy and comes from really unreliable sources. http://en.natmus.dk/historical-know...man-sacrifices/
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Apr 30, 2020 18:52
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Who cares about human sacrifice. Sailing across the sea to murder some strangers and taking their stuff is incredibly hosed up.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:54
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Mymla posted:Who cares about human sacrifice. Sailing across the sea to murder some strangers and taking their stuff is incredibly hosed up. But some drat solid gameplay.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:56
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I wonder how much emphasis they'll put on the remains of roman civilisation. Could be a decent way to add more variety to the Danish and Anglo-Saxon architecture you'll be scrambling over.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:58
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Falukorv posted:Tell me about it. Not looking forward to see them make Alfred the Templar villain and invading viking raiders the badass protagonists. Hopefully both "sides" will be more nuanced but if Origins Caesar and Cleopatra is anything to go by then i doubt it. That is why Bayek and Aya had more personality on their pinky finger than the entirety of Alexios/Kassandra, whom go from laughing to being angry and shouting in on sentence. Origin was much more a better handcrafted experience overall, nothing beats going from Siwa and Alexandria and witnessing the contrast between the rural communities across the Nile Delta and the urban dwellers in Alexandria, or the stark difference between the bourgeois Greeks and the native Egyptians. Or Visiting ancient Memphis and seeing the clear signs of decline of Egypts former capital etc, Odyssey felt very much like a theme park compared to Origins world building. I hope the next game follows the suite of Origins when it comes to environmental design, not odyssey.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:My favorite minor fact is from a historian whose account of them being grimy barbarians also included how they'd bathe once a week and meticulously cared for their hair and beards, well above the medieval European standard of hygeine. Ibn Fadlan labeled the vikings as the most disgusting of all gods creatures but being tall and strong. In the Risala he said he never witnessed a people being so unhygienic as the vikings, whom all for example shared the bowl of water to wash themselves that they sniffed and spit at etc.
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Apr 30, 2020 19:02
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Deakul posted:gently caress yeah lets post some viking metal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reOLeLX0Q9U Alternatively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6lrmxbPBqk
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Apr 30, 2020 19:04
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I hope they don't do my man Alfred too dirty in the game, he is a really interesting historical figure and the fact that he was the one who defeated the vikings and then unified England is pretty significant imo. Found it a bit weird he mentioned England at all in the trailer honestly since I'm sure at that time it's Wessex, Mercia etc etc. Still, going to be really fun to explore a massive open world 9th century England.
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My favourite thing when anything viking-related comes out is the throngs of people itching to tell everyone why vikings were secretly better than any of the other interchangeable tribes at the time, and who have a 150% chance of also believing that metal is the classical music of our age.
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Gameplay trailer on the 7th: https://mobile.twitter.com/ubisoftnordic/status/1255890083468763136
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Okay murder and pillage is generally bad but they were doing it to the Brits so its impossible to say if they were morally correct or not
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Kuiperdolin posted:Gameplay trailer on the 7th: https://mobile.twitter.com/ubisoftnordic/status/1255890083468763136 The press conference is taking place inside the Xbox Series X itself.
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Spermando posted:My favourite thing when anything viking-related comes out is the throngs of people itching to tell everyone why vikings were secretly better than any of the other interchangeable tribes at the time, and who have a 150% chance of also believing that metal is the classical music of our age. Me 2.
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Mymla posted:murder some strangers and taking their stuff is incredibly hosed up. this may not be the video game genre for you
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Syndicate also made its disgust for the British known when the conflict basically ended up being a bunch of street gangs and child labor camps and corrupt nobles versus...a bunch of street gangs and child labor camps and corrupt nobles except wearing green
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Wolfsheim posted:Okay murder and pillage is generally bad but they were doing it to the Brits so its impossible to say if they were morally correct or not Unfortunately for you, many of the Vikings in the Danelaw will settle and eventually convert to christianity, meaning that both sides in this game are Brits. Its Brits all the way down. Vagabong fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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To be fair Ubisoft are French so of course they're gonna want to make the Brits the bad guys, it's just in their blood.
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It's mostly a byproduct of Ubisoft being a French studio. Here, let me just read through this list of world cultures who were NOT at any point antagonized, colonized, or enslaved by the British and... oh hm..
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Spermando posted:My favourite thing when anything viking-related comes out is the throngs of people itching to tell everyone why vikings were secretly better than any of the other interchangeable tribes at the time, and who have a 150% chance of also believing that metal is the classical music of our age. One thing I've learned is that there is a massive overlap between metalheads and gamers. That's why I am not surprised at all that this game is making Vikings the shiny heroes and the Brits the evil dudes. There would be a loving Twitter riot right now if the roles were reversed.
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Apr 30, 2020 19:38
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I'm glad they took the year off last year, because there's no way I would have been even close to as excited about playing this then as I am now. Gorging myself on Origins and Odyssey in subsequent years burned me out pretty hard. I guess quarantine boredom is also contributing, because I really really want to get my hands on this, and hope it doesn't get delayed. If I had to bet though, I think it probably will be.
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Sinteres posted:I'm glad they took the year off last year, because there's no way I would have been even close to as excited about playing this then as I am now. Gorging myself on Origins and Odyssey in subsequent years burned me out pretty hard. I guess quarantine boredom is also contributing, because I really really want to get my hands on this, and hope it doesn't get delayed. If I had to bet though, I think it probably will be. thats the dev plan now. it gives each game 3 or so years to make it and an off year to build hype.
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exquisite tea posted:It's mostly a byproduct of Ubisoft being a French studio. Here, let me just read through this list of world cultures who were NOT at any point antagonized, colonized, or enslaved by the British and... oh hm.. Scandinavia, because we wisely took proactive action in the 9th century.
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Justin Godscock posted:One thing I've learned is that there is a massive overlap between metalheads and gamers. That's why I am not surprised at all that this game is making Vikings the shiny heroes and the Brits the evil dudes. There would be a loving Twitter riot right now if the roles were reversed. Also big overlap with Viking history, and white supremacy. A lot of crazy people unironically believe that the Vikings were undeniable proof of white people being superior because of some super twisted logic (as is usual for this sort of thing).
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Justin Godscock posted:One thing I've learned is that there is a massive overlap between metalheads and gamers. That's why I am not surprised at all that this game is making Vikings the shiny heroes and the Brits the evil dudes. There would be a loving Twitter riot right now if the roles were reversed. A little ironic since Brits pretty much pioneered heavy metal but ya know
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Playing Origins after playing about 150 hours of Odyssey, ask me about constantly sending Bayek's shins through his kneecaps as habit and muscle memory makes me unthinkingly launch him off the highest precipices
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Mymla posted:Who cares about human sacrifice. Sailing across the sea to murder some strangers and taking their stuff is incredibly hosed up. I think it’s going to be awhile before we return to the British Empire as a setting.
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