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Pick posted:I would not have phrased it that way but I do think that the tone of the NYT article is that the accusation was not inherently credible. Obviously no one should say it was proven false. It can't be proven false. The NY Times itself disagrees with that characterization. So why do you think the Biden campaign had a different interpretation? Why do you think that the Biden campaign changed the restrictions on his senate papers and their availability?
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Pick posted:Women who have worked for him and women who currently work with him, including women who take sexual assault allegations seriously and who I trust to act in good faith, like Gillibrand, have already done this. literally just the kav poo poo all over again. How can you say he did this, he hires so many women???? I hope he brings out a calendar next, maybe a screaming meltdown where he vows revenge on everyone.
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May 1, 2020 03:29
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Pick posted:Claiming you weren't sexualized and that you were "like a lamp" is not consistent with "forced me against a wall, kissed me without consent, inserted his fingers into my vagina, and yelled 'you're nothing!' when I did not reciprocate". I read it as two very different things that are in reference to two very different scales of time "Didn't feel sexualised [while working for him, generally, over the course of a few years]" does not preclude "he did extremely overtly sexualising things to me [once]" Pick's original source posted:“It happened at once,” Reade told the Times, describing the incident. “He’s talking to me and his hands are everywhere and everything is happening very quickly. He was kissing me and he said, very low, ‘Do you want to go somewhere else?’” This last part is probably the core thing- it didn't end with "you're nothing," it ended with an abuser's attempt to control the narrative. Speaking as a sexual abuse victim, that poo poo is what your brain clings to. It's okay, it's fine, it didn't happen the way I remembered. It's only after long, intense, extremely vulnerable conversations with folks who know this poo poo that you can actually accept that yeah you were actually hurt in a big way. I suppose I should also let you know that, again, as a sexual abuse victim, I would not want to loving talk about what goddamn happened to my local paper, especially if I thought there was some way that my abuser could find out about it and hurt me with it. And Biden is a loving senator. He's got folks looking into any story that mentions him by name. I know this because I used to be one of the folks who listens to radio stories and summarises them for the companies and people whose names are mentioned. If you think there isn't a Biden staffer who read that piece and had to make a decision between "this is a priority A problem" and "well she's not saying anything too inflammatory, we don't need to pass this one on to the boss" then I invite you to admit your ignorance in good faith.
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sexpig by night posted:literally just the kav poo poo all over again. How can you say he did this, he hires so many women???? I hope he brings out a calendar next, maybe a screaming meltdown where he vows revenge on everyone. Look, my choice this cycle was Warren, who I'm pretty sure never sexually assaulted anyone, including that swole Marine. I have posts making it clear Biden was not at all my first choice and that voting for him makes me shake my freakin' head. But I would never try to justify my distaste for Biden by declaring him guilty of something that I think it far from established and for which he has not yet been given the opportunity to address (which he will tomorrow). I actually did make this mistake with Depp, and I had a lot of self-reflection about that afterwards. Especially since I realized I had been out of step with my own professed beliefs about due process.
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it's weird I was super ready for the depression of 'actually we put our entire machine behind the guy who hates black people and loves drones, suck it losers' but I just so was not expecting 'also that entire #metoo thing was just a complete bougie movement that was a purely political exercise lead by the wealthy and powerful, and it's become inconvenient to that same group so it's dead now'.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/11/the-scientific-research-shows-reports-of-rape-are-often-murky-but-rarely-false/quote:In a 1996 study, researchers interviewed by questionnaire slightly more than 1,000 women at medical centers and 2,142 women at universities. The women were asked if they had been raped and to describe it, and if they had not suffered a sexual assault to describe another "intense life experience," marking whether it was positive or negative. Anyway, it's pretty funny that the people who swore they hated Biden and were only voting for him because Trump is worse are now here to Just Ask Questions about Tara Reade's story.
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May 1, 2020 03:33
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Pick posted:Look, my choice this cycle was Warren, who I'm pretty sure never sexually assaulted anyone, including that swole Marine. I have posts making it clear Biden was not at all my first choice and that voting for him makes me shake my freakin' head. But I would never try to justify my distaste for Biden by declaring him guilty of something that I think it far from established and for which he has not yet been given the opportunity to address (which he will tomorrow). my distaste for biden is because he's a racist, anti-poor, imperialist who's also just kinda annoyingly stupid. I had no issue contextualizing that before this. This is just kinda a whole fresh layer to add to the very valid reasons I had to find him repulsive as a human and a politician.
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Mat Cauthon posted:He will definitely try, I don't think he'll come anywhere near being the nominee. Name recognition is a huge advantage both with voters and donors, and Pete is already well liked by the donor class. He is going to be on the ground canvassing and building an operation months before anyone else even announces they are running. No one else really came out of 2020 well positioned for a future run, so he is going to have a much easier time. Heck, he probably already has a team working on building him into the most consultant-approved candidate for 2024.
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is pepsi ok posted:the people who swore they hated Biden and were only voting for him because Trump is worse This is literally every current Biden supporter. There has not yet been one person on this entire forum or an all of twitter to fail to preface a full-throated defense of Biden with "he wasn't my first choice."
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TyrantWD posted:Name recognition is a huge advantage both with voters and donors, and Pete is already well liked by the donor class. He is going to be on the ground canvassing and building an operation months before anyone else even announces they are running. No one else really came out of 2020 well positioned for a future run, so he is going to have a much easier time. Heck, he probably already has a team working on building him into the most consultant-approved candidate for 2024. I don't think Pete's going to do much more than be the Adlai Stevenson of the 2020's. But maybe he'll pull a Biden and after years of not accomplishing anything will leap to the front because rich people said so. Bleh. Whatever, if that happens I'll just write in Bernie again.
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May 1, 2020 03:40
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His best move would be to say hey folks my brains are scrambled i can't remember anything ah, sorry, i shouldn't have put it that way. Well, anyway,
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sexpig by night posted:it's weird I was super ready for the depression of 'actually we put our entire machine behind the guy who hates black people and loves drones, suck it losers' but I just so was not expecting 'also that entire #metoo thing was just a complete bougie movement that was a purely political exercise lead by the wealthy and powerful, and it's become inconvenient to that same group so it's dead now'. Career candidates who hate black people don't tend to perform phenomenally well with black voters like Biden did
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GreyjoyBastard posted:there is more evidence for harassment and retaliation and firing than for rape this. 100% this.
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nivdes posted:Career candidates who hate black people don't tend to perform phenomenally well with black voters like Biden did Clinton called them superpredators and did fine
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sexpig by night posted:literally just the kav poo poo all over again. How can you say he did this, he hires so many women???? I hope he brings out a calendar next, maybe a screaming meltdown where he vows revenge on everyone. Nevermind that people like Amy "Tiger Mom" Chua are on the record telling their daughters to "dress like models" if they wanted to get a gig in Kavanaugh's office. TyrantWD posted:Name recognition is a huge advantage both with voters and donors, and Pete is already well liked by the donor class. He is going to be on the ground canvassing and building an operation months before anyone else even announces they are running. No one else really came out of 2020 well positioned for a future run, so he is going to have a much easier time. Heck, he probably already has a team working on building him into the most consultant-approved candidate for 2024. I think Pete is too inherently weaselly to ever get to high in the halls of power but I've been wrong before. https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1255902007665229826
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nivdes posted:Career candidates who hate black people don't tend to perform phenomenally well with black voters like Biden did I mean, they do because the ones on our side tend to cloak themselves in 'well okay but that other guy's gonna call you the n-word and shoot at you, I just think you need to stay in your place in the ghetto and pull your pants up'.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Nevermind that people like Amy "Tiger Mom" Chua are on the record telling their daughters to "dress like models" if they wanted to get a gig in Kavanaugh's office. Gah remember when everyone was freaking out that The Onion's new ownership had ties to Clinton Hm Hm Oh dear
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TyrantWD posted:Name recognition is a huge advantage both with voters and donors, and Pete is already well liked by the donor class. He is going to be on the ground canvassing and building an operation months before anyone else even announces they are running. No one else really came out of 2020 well positioned for a future run, so he is going to have a much easier time. Heck, he probably already has a team working on building him into the most consultant-approved candidate for 2024. It'll really help him in 2024 after he receives the endorsements of every single black person in America.
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So, none of us know for sure what happened in 1993. Luckily, we are not on a jury tasked with determining Mr. Biden's freedom or incarceration. We're voters, deciding whether we trust this guy and want him to be president. The question of due process is inapplicable. He's not in a court proceeding over this. So, what do you all think happened? How does that make you feel? I can answer for myself. Based on how Biden has behaved on camera for decades, I'm 100% that he's made many women feel extremely uncomfortable. Based on the Larry King tape, the bizarre decision to hide away records, and not addressing this directly for weeks, I'm drat close to 100% there was some harassment and retaliation. By the way, that by itself is enough to be disqualifying. On the heavier accusation of sexual assault, I'm not 100% sure. I don't know the number, but it's somewhere pretty close to the same way I felt about Kavanaugh. I think he probably did it. Since metoo became a thing it was obvious to everyone that someday someone would weaponize it with a false allegation. I do not believe that the Tara Reade allegation is that. I do not believe Kristine Blasey Ford's was either. I acknowledge a slim possibility that either or both of them could have been, since none of us have absolute knowledge of what happened on those dates. So, don't put Biden in prison for this. But I don't think I can support him for president. Do put him in prison for the crimes of the Obama administration, though.
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Somfin posted:This is literally every current Biden supporter. There has not yet been one person on this entire forum or an all of twitter to fail to preface a full-throated defense of Biden with "he wasn't my first choice." When was the last time a Democrat that nobody really liked won? Hillary Clinton was far better positioned than Biden, IMO, because she actually had a base of support. In my lifetime all of the "safe" choices have lost. All of the exciting choices have won, mostly due to God teir personal charisma. Kerry, Gore, Hillary were all supposed to be electable and then.... Whoops! I just don't understand how anyone fell for this again.
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Somfin posted:Gah remember when everyone was freaking out that The Onion's new ownership had ties to Clinton This is her first salvo in her fight for the nomination.
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Hellblazer187 posted:When was the last time a Democrat that nobody really liked won? Hillary Clinton was far better positioned than Biden, IMO, because she actually had a base of support. In my lifetime all of the "safe" choices have lost. All of the exciting choices have won, mostly due to God teir personal charisma. Kerry, Gore, Hillary were all supposed to be electable and then.... Whoops! I just don't understand how anyone fell for this again. The tone around Biden is exactly the same as it was around Hillary. The only thing she had going for her was that her brain hadnt turned to mush, but with the sexism factor it probably balances out. Biden’s favorability rating is like 25 points better than hers was at this time.
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Shouldn't the plan for the left re: the general election be somehow coordinating the protest vote as much as possible? Instead of some writing in Bernie or Batman, some voting Green, and some abstaining. Have there been any attempts on the left to do so? Or is there something I'm missing that makes it not worth it or unfeasible? I don't know what the state of the US is going to be in November, but I imagine staying home will let whoever handwave any drop in turnout as being because of Corona and not a statement on the candidates.
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Yes, but there were a lot of people who really wanted to vote for the first woman president, and truly admired Clinton. Nobody admires Biden.
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At the end of the day my thought on Biden boils down to my thought on Kavanaugh, which is there's a bunch of other people you can pick from without assault allegations, so why are you trying to force through the one with baggage? Like this is being exposed in April, just force the guy to drop out and move on with one of the 4 other people who aren't being accused of rape. Circling the wagons is only serving to discredit the party even more.
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Jimong5 posted:At the end of the day my thought on Biden boils down to my thought on Kavanaugh, which is there's a bunch of other people you can pick from without assault allegations, so why are you trying to force through the one with baggage? Like this is being exposed in April, just force the guy to drop out and move on with one of the 4 other people who aren't being accused of rape. Circling the wagons is only serving to discredit the party even more. He isn't being "forced through," he has legitimately won the nomination.
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nivdes posted:He isn't being "forced through," he has legitimately won the nomination. The nomination hasn't been decided yet
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Somfin posted:Gah remember when everyone was freaking out that The Onion's new ownership had ties to Clinton Univision sold it 2 years ago
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Roland Jones posted:This feels like it has to be deliberate at this point. It must have truly been a different time because imagine the justified shitstorm if a prominent politician pulled something like this today. Why is Biden going anywhere near Dodd?
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Somfin posted:The nomination hasn't been decided yet This means about as much as "the electors haven't cast their votes"
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nivdes posted:He isn't being "forced through," he has legitimately won the nomination. The amount of interference being run for him on this feels forced to me. Groups that have normally made it their mission to apply pressure for accountability are not doing that and have all but stepped aside. Like imagine the media pressure if this was Bernie. The force involved is trying to quash this in order to not interfere with getting Joe the nomination. Again, why even defend the guy when he's publicly shown a pattern of creepy behavior and there are 4 other candidates they could sub in quite easily.
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nivdes posted:This means about as much as "the electors haven't cast their votes" Inasmuch as it means that he hasn't nivdes posted:legitimately won the nomination then yes they do mean the same thing. Plus, if you think that this has been a legitimate election, you're quite wrong.
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Somfin posted:Can you try, please, to explain how the 1993 Larry King call fits into your assessment that she's making it up? This is a super heavy sticking point for me and I don't understand why people aren't engaging with it.
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I hate Joe Biden.Hellblazer187 posted:Yes, but there were a lot of people who really wanted to vote for the first woman president, and truly admired Clinton. Nobody admires Biden. Yeah, but even more people hated her. Inspite of everything the majority of people don't just hate Joe Biden the same way. But I do, I loving hate Joe Biden.
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