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Captain Oblivious posted:Like seriously look at how all the other Demiurges have tried to mold Allison or the Heir. Solomon David, Mottom, Incubus. They all know they’re stuck in a rut but the only way they can conceive of the true king is “like me but even moreso so that they somehow don’t get stuck in my rut” Gog literally tried to make Allison into more of her, meanwhile. Rhaka posted:The Very Wise Frog puts his money where his mouth is, unlike Meti and Zoss. Meti died to teach Maya a lesson and Zoss exposed himself and died while passing the master key on to Allison. That he gave her the key at all also seems to imply that he expects her to use it in some form, like when he more or less encouraged her to obliterate Mottom's husband. Also, re: Zoss, smugness, etc: “The old bugger always tried to dissuade his own worship. Hated the whole idea of divinity, matter of fact. But it didn’t matter. The common people worshiped him. The city guard worshiped him, and so did the priest class. Bleeding hells, the demiurges, princes of the world, held him as their king. I’m sure a few o’ them had a little beardy shrine set up somewhere. I mean, just look at what the bastard could do.” – Mars Pallatrix, Belligerent knight
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paranoid randroid posted:if god refuses worship, should you still cut him to see if he bleeds? gently caress around and find out
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May 3, 2020 02:37
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me, clueless: Today I'm gonna come at the king.
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Roland Jones posted:Also, re: Zoss, smugness, etc: And then he at least realized the only way to have people not worship you is to just bugger off long enough that they forget
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Uh just challenge SD to a bleeding contest. Incubus is practically a colostomy bag full of blood anyway.
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paranoid randroid posted:if god refuses worship, should you still cut him to see if he bleeds? That is a sloppy cut. If you are going to cut a god, then you must Cut them so that existence itself weeps at the perfection of your Cut, bisecting that god in totality.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That is a sloppy cut. If you are going to cut a god, then you must Cut them so that existence itself weeps at the perfection of your Cut, bisecting that god in totality. help i cut god in half but now god is in my head nagging me what do
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to make matters worse, god isnt even mad, just disappointed
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May 3, 2020 03:55
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Tell him to shut up or you'll drink yourself to death.
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Update good holy poo poo
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I remember reading this way back when it came out and there were only 30-odd pages. I found it again and read the whole thing yesterday and I am very surprised and happy that it turned out to be a very well-written gay kung fu philosophy story! I had no idea what direction it was going to go in when it first came out, it just seemed like a very obtuse, flashy horror comic. Thank you to whichever goon posted it in one of those cool comics panels threads in BBS, I would never have looked at it again otherwise.
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I'd say there's a difference between being ganked by an Incubus/Juggernaut Star vs an angry lumberjack. Picking fights or hanging out with top tier violent jackasses will have you die at some point, but you're an active participant of this whole shitshow. If you're just farming your potatoes and violence comes a-knockin' you die unless you are a violent jackass yourself. Meti and Zoss have very little to fear from random violence, where Noodles McGee gets owned immediately by any passerby, as did the Very Wise Frog. Carry Samura in your heart but carry a big stick. Rhaka fucked around with this message at 14:32 on May 3, 2020 |
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Schwarzwald posted:
Cheers mate, I went and used this after seeing no one else claim it.
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There Bias Two posted:I really can't imagine what sort of stance Abbadon will take with this that would be philosophically satisfying. Allison is going to die later in the story, and she isn't going to give a poo poo about it.
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Paramemetic posted:Because in order to become god you have to be over being god https://youtu.be/Ia4UjRTKBaY Vegeta on finally ascending only after giving up control.
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Motherfucker posted:me, clueless: Today I'm gonna [become a] king. *sells bomb-rear end noodles and lives joyously for the rest of their life*
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Rhaka posted:I think my issue is more that only people with power get an actual choice in the matter. So it's a bit cheeky to advocate for being a happy peasant who will get obliterated when they themselves will never be in that position. Meti wasn't chatting up some random person on the street about the perils of the choice. She was telling an aspiring student (who thinks a "life of sick kung-fu kicks" is a good life choice) not to follow in her footsteps. Meti was not busy always kicking people, she was busy always killing people. To keep the noodle vendor alive, Maya killed at least a half-dozen other people/beings in cold blood. Maya and Meti weren't born with power. To get power, they both decided to throw the rest of their lives away and to live prepared to strike others down on the spot with every last ounce of their might. If a vaccine for cancer/covid/whatever required you to spend the remainder of your life preparing and planning to murder every person you met, would you take it? Would you want a loved one to take it?
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Whenever anybody links DBZ I will always point you to the superior DBZ abridged take on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b65MLS6_w9Q&t=443s
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M_Gargantua posted:Whenever anybody links DBZ I will always point you to the superior DBZ abridged take on it: See, I see the two as the same DBZA absolutely nailed Vegeta as a character
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Considering the lessons of the first two demiurge arcs: "Allison has the will to destroy evil (Mottom's tree) when it appears in front of her" and "Allison needs to embrace every part of herself (especially her encyclopedic knowledge of Sailor Moon and K-dramas) to use her power responsibly," I'm going to guess this arc's lesson is "Allison isn't powerful enough to do everything herself, she needs to trust and work with her friends." Because every time she's tried to go it alone this arc she's quickly needed bailing out (even her gang adventure at the very start foreshadowed this,) and "You cannot save her."
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yeah I don't think Allison is going to Goku her way out of the problems she is going to face in the rest of this narrative despite the fact that she has the Most Important Person token lodged in her forehead. funny how that seems to be working out
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I'm getting some real King Novik vibes from Zoss. Dead ghost kings have no business telling people what they can't do.
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A.o.D. posted:I'm getting some real King Novik vibes from Zoss. Dead ghost kings have no business telling people what they can't do. On the other hand, Allison learning to trust and rely on other people is a good lesson. A king implies a kingdom.
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Operant, if you're reading this, I would be interested in knowing to what extent you personally believe in the philosophies your comic explores. While this may be a (kick rear end) comic, I read your works and the discussions had in this thread and some of them really speak to me sometimes. As a hobbyist woodworker, I do a lot of cutting, and I found myself thinking about Meti's sword manual and the phrase "Creation is an act of violence". I would love to hear your thoughts and how you came up with some of these ideas.
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Royalty is a continuous bandsaw motion
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Potato Salad posted:Royalty is a continuous bandsaw motion  edit: this is tempting me to pick up woodworking as a hobby. Lights fucked around with this message at 12:55 on May 4, 2020 |
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Rhaka posted:I'd say there's a difference between being ganked by an Incubus/Juggernaut Star vs an angry lumberjack. This analysis is predicated on systemic change being impossible. Like the random violence and rapacious exploitation shown in the comic is clearly implied to be bad. Allison needs to break with the past and create something new, which is thematically reinforced by the beginning of the universe being division and Zoss’s symbol being a divided circle.
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Super Waffle posted:Operant, if you're reading this, I would be interested in knowing to what extent you personally believe in the philosophies your comic explores. While this may be a (kick rear end) comic, I read your works and the discussions had in this thread and some of them really speak to me sometimes. As a hobbyist woodworker, I do a lot of cutting, and I found myself thinking about Meti's sword manual and the phrase "Creation is an act of violence". I would love to hear your thoughts and how you came up with some of these ideas. You may have heard the saying "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs".
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can't make a chicken by prematurely breaking the egg
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But can you make an egg by breaking the chicken?
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Battery cages say yes.
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can this metaphor be somehow supercharged by the addition of black soldier fly larvae
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I appreciate that the King of Creation uses the correct pronouns.
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you can't break an egg without making a few eggs
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You can't egg on an omelette without making a few breaks.
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I am, as always, of two minds here. From a storytelling perspective, I feel like the the people who understand violence the best are deeply unhappy about it, war is bad, the universe should de-escalate, the only way to beat the demiurges at their own game is not to play, etc etc. As a person reading a comic, however, I want our Furious Dumbass to explode the opposition with as much rainbow Kung Fu bullshit as possible while a sick soundtrack plays.
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Related, I hope he puts out a simple text-only book that is all the writings from below the pages and/or the alt text, so long it's about the lore.
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