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OFFICER LIGER posted:Except that hasnt happened. sure it has
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# ? Jun 11, 2024 08:21 |
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Votecount for Day 1![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() With 23 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. There is currently no deadline set.
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hambeet posted:also: holy poo poo amnistar wtf happened to your avatar Cpig happened.
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So, I'm gonna go with ##vote zzyzx Here is why: zzyzx posted:Amni probably saw Steak say something mildly awkward and thought, "If I get a hit here, it'll be the next big mafia instagram moment and we'll all laugh and I'll be very popular." This is a manufactured reason not to vote for me that they made up...and it completely contradicts everything I've said so far about why I did shoot steak. almost as if zzyzx knows I'm not scum, and needs to create a reason not to vote for me.
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Amnistar posted:So, I'm gonna go with ##vote zzyzx What do you think of KK’s made up analysis?
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merk posted:What do you think of KK’s made up analysis? He called me stupid at the begining of it so I am not sure I can read it without bias.
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Amnistar posted:He called me stupid at the begining of it so I am not sure I can read it without bias. Specifically, in Harry Potter, that level of negative play towards another play I read as a scum tell, trying to get people angry so they make mistakes, then KK flipped town. The case is bad, Liger's vote is clearly joke (regardless of Liger's alignment) and latching on to that one as the problem is stupid.
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Jamuraan posted:Oh my fault, I don't know why I thought you were. You must be just overly sensitive about your ability to soul read. This is probably going to be my only post here today (Sunday), but I'm going to be real active on Monday. (weekdays are much easier for me).
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Amnistar posted:This is a manufactured reason not to vote for me that they made up...and it completely contradicts everything I've said so far about why I did shoot steak. almost as if zzyzx knows I'm not scum, and needs to create a reason not to vote for me. Of course it contradicts what you've said so far; I think it's a made-up reason. If Steak had flipped scum, you absolutely would not have followed up with, "I just did it because it was funny, I didn't have any scum read on him." (You'd be getting familiar with the smug emojis instead.) That only came after yuming voted you. Varinn asks why a townie would try to make excuses like that, and the answer is that they know they did something dumb.
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Ignoring the hypothetical of how I would act if steak was scum, I don't beleive your thought process here is genuine. You think that I'm lying about why I shot, and that the reason I'm lying is because I'm embarrassed that I was wrong about steak being scum? I rather think you wanted to not vote me, but didn't want to seem like a bandwagon vote so created a reason to not vote me that was original.
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Amnistar posted:Ignoring the hypothetical of how I would act if steak was scum, I don't beleive your thought process here is genuine. You think that I'm lying about why I shot, and that the reason I'm lying is because I'm embarrassed that I was wrong about steak being scum? Bandwagon non-vote.
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zzyzx posted:Of course it contradicts what you've said so far; I think it's a made-up reason. If Steak had flipped scum, you absolutely would not have followed up with, "I just did it because it was funny, I didn't have any scum read on him." (You'd be getting familiar with the smug emojis instead.) That only came after yuming voted you. There is way too much mind reading and fortune telling in this post, you're tunneled too hard on Amni and locked in regardless of the truth.
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vivat virtute posted:There is way too much mind reading and fortune telling in this post, you're tunneled too hard on Amni and locked in regardless of the truth. Also, if Amni was scum, Steak would never have flipped scum -- so you're inventing impossible scenarios to make Amni look bad. I think this is a scumslip. ##vote zzyzx
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Amnistar posted:Ignoring the hypothetical of how I would act if steak was scum, I don't beleive your thought process here is genuine. You think that I'm lying about why I shot, and that the reason I'm lying is because I'm embarrassed that I was wrong about steak being scum? I think that you're town, because day-vigs (and certainly day-vigs who shoot other townies on d1) usually are. I also think backpedaling into, "that's what I meant to do all along" after you get called out is an understandable reaction. That said, if you get a hit on Steak, we all congratulate you while you explain what a great gut read it was; if you miss, we get to make fun of you. You're not upholding your end of the social contract here. (And you followed it up with a vote on me, so you're batting zero so far. Do better.)
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Amnistar posted:He called me stupid at the begining of it so I am not sure I can read it without bias. Give it a shot, I'd love your thoughts.
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##unvote I was conflating zzyzx with some other posts about Amni. I hosed up, mea culpa.
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Like Tokes won’t be around much today but much more active during the week. Am I missing something on Liger? Everyone is saying he made an obvious joke post. I definitely didn’t read that “sort of suspect amni but need something more” as a joke.
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OFFICER LIGER posted:It's almost reason enough for me to want to vote Amni. But I want more before I vote. This post is the one I’m referring to. On an unrelated note, I’m now fine voting amni day 1 just so I don’t have to see that avatar anymore
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merk posted:What do you think of KK’s made up analysis? you sure are lying alot for page 10
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Also notice that merk hasn't once mentioned their read on officer liger
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Khris Kruel posted:Also notice that merk hasn't once mentioned their read on officer liger Their as in other peoples read or their as in nongender reference to merk’s read?
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Voodoofly posted:Their as in other peoples read or their as in nongender reference to merk’s read? nongender reference
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The Ninth Layer posted:merk says he's unavailable but then makes a post seven minutes later, highly suspicious. I can’t tell if this is a joke but if this is serious it’s a pretty weak accusation (Sup TNL long time. You still in LA?)
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Deadbeat Dad posted:You kind of made it so he won't do it now because casing him immediately after and accusing him of doing this doesn't ring true. It's projection. He shot, he was wrong, really not much else you can do as a vig except go "welp, I hosed up!" I've read this a few times and I'm still not sure what to make of it. The vig should be looked at if he coasts and doesn't do much else. However, by voting for Amni, Varinn has made Amni aware of this, and it gives Amni "room" to participate in future game days and claim that he's not coasting. I think you're criticizing Varinn's case for this. Wouldn't we all expect Amni to do that anyway?
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zzyzx posted:I've read this a few times and I'm still not sure what to make of it. If you want to criticize Varinn's case for being premature, I get that. Varinn doesn't want Amni to coast into the sunset off of one shot; great, then Varinn should case him for that later, if it looks like that's what Amni is actually doing. I just don't see the "now you've made him aware that he has to participate, and he has room to do it because you voted for him" bit.
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Voodoofly posted:This post is the one I’m referring to. That post was in regards to someone else mentioning they hated Amni's avatar. Liger's next post is the joke vote right after Varinn drops the second serious vote on Amni. The timing and situation is what is scummy in my eyes.
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Voodoofly posted:Like Tokes won’t be around much today but much more active during the week. his avatar was what made me want to lynch him. i didn't say i scumread him. you're the one twisting my words.
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OFFICER LIGER posted:his avatar was what made me want to lynch him. i didn't say i scumread him. you're the one twisting my words. Dude you followed up a "I need to see more" serious post with a joke post that wasn't super funny and added a real vote to a growing launch - this is scummy behavior it is hard to argue that. I still think you are town despite that but at least acknowledge it.
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Oh damnit see I knew this last night but it got away from me because everyone keeps quoting it out of context to push Liger even the "need to see more" wasn't serious. OK now I'm gonna find the people who quoted this out of context opportunistically.
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Voodoofly posted:##unvote Here's who I was thinking - Voodoo go read it back in context. I don't think Voodoo is scum here he straight up admits he's skimming. LordNad here is really leaning in: LordNad posted:You joke voted a guy with 2 serious votes and then unvoted when called out on it. This doesn't seem genuine to me, where have joke votes ever built momentum? If you believe this what is Liger's best-case scenario, that he sticks his neck out as the third vote which causes a tidal wave of momentum, but has his cake and eats it too by making it a joke vote? What does he do when the tidal wave comes in, unvote his joke vote? Leave it on and look scummy as hell? There's no "good" scenario here there's no reason for him to be pushing a 2-vote candidate with a joke vote expecting results and assigning that motivation to him seems absurd. Early in day 1 joke-voting someone who has two votes, who cares? It's the momentum onto HIM that stands out to me. LordNad had already raised my hackles with this post: LordNad posted:A scum day kill is an incredibly powerful tool. As mentioned before it could be used in LYLO to end the game earlier for them. By using it this early, he's brought massive attention on himself day 1 for no real benefit. I can't imagine scum letting a confirmed vig coast to the end game. He still has to vote and participate or he'd get lunched himself. Where I accused him of basically contributing to a discussion (which I found unproductive), keeping it going, while adding nothing of real value. I think the Liger vote is partially in response to being called on that, but his vote is also mere statements of fact. My gut tells me LordNad is avoiding stating opinions of things and relying on facts to explain themselves because facts don't lie, even if they don't say what his vote implies they do. His actual vote looks to split the difference - stating facts, then stating his "opinion" that this is an attempt to build momentum, which I believe is a flawed conclusion. LordNad gets pushed back and I feel like backed into it he feels the need to double down. LordNad posted:I'm voting because what you did was scummy and your explanation afterwards doesn't feel right. Where did I agree with your prior points of view? Continued engagement but the "explanation afterwards doesn't feel right" - what about it doesn't feel right? LordNad seems to hold the views that it was a joke vote and was some sort of scheme to build momentum simultaneously. I think these two ideas are, in most cases I can think of, exclusionary. LordNad posted:So you admit you voted for a guy with 2 serious votes who you thought was town This is what really annoys me though. Again LordNad is simply stating facts, but framing it as if it is an "admission". This framing is very suspicious to me - Liger has already said it was a joke vote, we know the other two votes are serious ones, Liger has stated he feels Amni was town, none of these facts are in contention. Yet here we have LordNad presenting them as if it is some sort of "admission". It feeds into LordNad's "bring up facts to continue conversations but add little" and what I feel is a hard-to-draw conclusion based on those facts which he does and then presents as a done deal or some "admission" of Liger's. LordNad posted:Plus they threw snowballs at Santa. Who tf does that. Here LordNad gets a little bit out of the hole by trying to make an argument here and ascribe motive, which is good, but the argument itself seems silly compared to the wording he's used before (mostly "admission"). Liger is joking about Amni's avatar and overall being worthless but doesn't actually vote Amni. LordNad asks "why not just vote" which is a question I still don't understand. Why do anything when you're joking around? If your point is that he's scummy for still joke-voting when people are getting serious that's fine, but it's not LordNad's point, he's saying that Liger planted this idea then waited 12 minutes to do the actual vote because he wanted a third vote for more momentum and was taking advantage of the opportunity which is, to me, absurd. The Machiavellian picture that unfolds of scum, seeing 1 vote on Amni, and tenting their fingers and saying "ah yes! I will vote for Amni as a JOKE VOTE to push the lunch! But I can't just do it... I must set up my joke vote, which is actually a real vote to push the lunch, but making a FIRST post wherein I say I might vote him, then when the second vote happens, I sweep in with my third vote, and the lunch will be on autopilot from there! Now to play the waiting game..." it's nonsense. LordNad is pushing it hard and vaccilating between stating facts "you voted for someone you thought was town" which are not in disagreement with absurd doubling-down that this is somehow scummy (it ain't). The real voter of opportunity today is not Liger it is LordNad. ##vote LordNad
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Oh, guess I should probably ##unvote since my vote was...well, not really a joke, but done in direct response to the vote against me which doesn't exist any more
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Tom Tucker posted:Here's who I was thinking - Voodoo go read it back in context. Dropping a vote on someone who already has serious votes builds momentum. Why is it absurd to assume Liger wanted that? Tom Tucker posted:Where I accused him of basically contributing to a discussion (which I found unproductive), keeping it going, while adding nothing of real value. I think the Liger vote is partially in response to being called on that, but his vote is also mere statements of fact. My gut tells me LordNad is avoiding stating opinions of things and relying on facts to explain themselves because facts don't lie, even if they don't say what his vote implies they do. That statement was to Varinn because I don't agree with his reasoning. It has nothing to do with my opinion that Liger wanted to build momentum. Tom Tucker posted:Continued engagement but the "explanation afterwards doesn't feel right" - what about it doesn't feel right? LordNad seems to hold the views that it was a joke vote and was some sort of scheme to build momentum simultaneously. I think these two ideas are, in most cases I can think of, exclusionary. Tom Tucker posted:This is what really annoys me though. Again LordNad is simply stating facts, but framing it as if it is an "admission". This framing is very suspicious to me - Liger has already said it was a joke vote, we know the other two votes are serious ones, Liger has stated he feels Amni was town, none of these facts are in contention. Yet here we have LordNad presenting them as if it is some sort of "admission". It feeds into LordNad's "bring up facts to continue conversations but add little" and what I feel is a hard-to-draw conclusion based on those facts which he does and then presents as a done deal or some "admission" of Liger's. Tom Tucker posted:Here LordNad gets a little bit out of the hole by trying to make an argument here and ascribe motive, which is good, but the argument itself seems silly compared to the wording he's used before (mostly "admission"). Liger is joking about Amni's avatar and overall being worthless but doesn't actually vote Amni. LordNad asks "why not just vote" which is a question I still don't understand. Why do anything when you're joking around? If your point is that he's scummy for still joke-voting when people are getting serious that's fine, but it's not LordNad's point, he's saying that Liger planted this idea then waited 12 minutes to do the actual vote because he wanted a third vote for more momentum and was taking advantage of the opportunity which is, to me, absurd. The Machiavellian picture that unfolds of scum, seeing 1 vote on Amni, and tenting their fingers and saying "ah yes! I will vote for Amni as a JOKE VOTE to push the lunch! But I can't just do it... I must set up my joke vote, which is actually a real vote to push the lunch, but making a FIRST post wherein I say I [i]might vote him, then when the second vote happens, I sweep in with my third vote, and the lunch will be on autopilot from there! Now to play the waiting game..." it's nonsense. LordNad is pushing it hard and vaccilating between stating facts "you voted for someone you thought was town" which are not in disagreement with absurd doubling-down that this is somehow scummy (it ain't). I never said or implied Liger planted the idea for a joke vote. I referenced Liger's post about Amni's avatar and asked "Why not just vote" as in "why not just vote then". My point is literally that he joke voted someone with serious votes already and I thought it was pretty clear about that. You're the one ascribing motivations to me that don't exist. Liger could have joke voted earlier than Varinn and it wouldn't have registered as scummy to me. Tom Tucker posted:Dude you followed up a "I need to see more" serious post with a joke post that wasn't super funny and added a real vote to a growing launch - this is scummy behavior it is hard to argue that. I still think you are town despite that but at least acknowledge it.
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Doing some reading back, and yeah...Liger building momentum on someone like that seems a bit sus....tbh I don't know you well enough to definitely trust my own reads, but when they are already lining up with the majority... ##vote OFFICER LIGER
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CapnAndy posted:If there’s anything you and I and like 80% of this game should know right now it’s that the reverse is also true and amni does things scum would do while town. ![]() I just remember myself having a scum daykill in Grandi's recent game. It was awkward trying to use it in thread and sound town. If I were to get one again, I see the benefit in just being silly with it rather than have to try and fake content around it later.
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jivjov posted:Doing some reading back, and yeah...Liger building momentum on someone like that seems a bit sus....tbh I don't know you well enough to definitely trust my own reads, but when they are already lining up with the majority... I would vote this post if it were not their first game.
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jivjov posted:Doing some reading back, and yeah...Liger building momentum on someone like that seems a bit sus....tbh I don't know you well enough to definitely trust my own reads, but when they are already lining up with the majority... How did you win survivor
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Amnistar posted:I would vote this post if it were not their first game. jivjov posted:Oh, guess I should probably ##unvote since my vote was...well, not really a joke, but done in direct response to the vote against me which doesn't exist any more
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OFFICER LIGER posted:How did you win survivor Being a challenge monster.
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CCKeane posted:Give it a shot, I'd love your thoughts. I can't understand the rationale of the case. How do you think that both: 1.) Liger wanted an easy vote on me that was part of the bandwagon. and 2.) Liger specifically makes the vote stand out from the rest by making it "appear" like a joke vote. These two concepts are mutuially exclusive. If Liger was scum that wanted me to be an easy cuddle, then he could have just said "yea, that." in some way, and be no more or less scummy than the other 5 or 6 people in thread saying that. By making it a joke vote, if it had been left on me and I had been cuddled, there is no way Liger isn't looked at. Sitting on a joke vote is something that is going to call attention to liger, not make them less suspicious. Also, as an aside, OFFICER LIGER, your vote is on yourself because of formatting issues, might want to fix it. I keep going back and forth on whether this makes KK town or scum, but my gut is saying scum, I'm just pretty sure it's because they were a dick in harry potter and then a dick in this game.
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# ? Jun 11, 2024 08:21 |
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CapnAndy posted:Maybe don't flat out admit that you're voting someone just because they're voting you? It is bad form. Duly noted
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