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I remember how right before non-viable candidates dropping out of the primary became evidence of DNC election rigging, the prime evidence of DNC election rigging was non-viable candidates hanging on in the primary.
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StratGoatCom posted:We've talked about the mass dropout before, evilweasel. yeah, and I elaborated at length on how that was normal and appropriate, and the complaint is that Bernie was not able to win via the spoiler effect. the response was, shall we say, not a compelling logical response that knocked down any point there are lots of people who see return to the pre-trump status quo as unacceptable. of course, many of those people are in the Biden campaign or are Biden supporters, but put that aside. the idea that a rapid return to the pre-trump status quo is a final victory of trumpism is obvious nonsense. not having enough of a backlash that people wanted is not a victory of trumpism. it also goes without saying that none of the “analysis” on this point gets at anything that is even remotely relevant to what trumpism actually is at its core (reactionary white nationalism coupled with extreme anti-democratic elements and just plain loving incompetence).
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SirPablo posted:This is loving stupid. The boater voting block. 10 bucks every one of those people are those assholes that jet past everyone and cut across in front to make the other boats rock like mad in their wake
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evilweasel posted:this is a nonsense narrative that “bend the knee!!!” berniebros have talked themselves into to explain away their loss I don't know that it's "fair and square" exactly. Biden's definitely a massively popular figure, but how much of that is organic, and how much of that is the result of everyone being told he was massively popular? Manufactured consent seems to have a big part in it. I have a hard time seeing the political outcomes as legitimate when the playing field is so obviously biased. Even if Iowa wasn't sketch as gently caress, and even if there were no other kinds of tampering with the election, the media narrative alone could easily have caused this outcome regardless of people's personal feeling about the individual candidates. If I remember correctly, the exit voter interviews allude to this. People said things like, "I had to vote for Biden because everyone else was going to vote for Biden" or something along those lines. Do you believe control of the media should be part of the path to political power? I can see an argument for that, but I feel like that would definitely be less democratic than if if that wasn't the case.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257041820124680192 Ah so when he was talking about "the Virus in a very non-threatening, or matter of fact, manner" at the same time it was the intelligence community's fault, of course. And am I wrong but weren't a number of early cases in America linked to Italy? The China travel ban didn't do anything, especially when we were trying to bring back hundreds of people from China at the same time and letting cruise ship passengers disembark before quarantining and testing procedures were more locked in beyond "if you exhibit no symptoms just stay at home for two weeks but your family members can come and go freely" if that.
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evilweasel posted:this is a nonsense narrative that “bend the knee!!!” berniebros have talked themselves into to explain away their loss Are you arguing that the establishment didn't rally around Biden, or that the establishment squashing leftist candidates is a good thing, or that it didn't matter and Biden is just super good at retail politics starting in the fourth primary state?
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Ershalim posted:I don't know that it's "fair and square" exactly. Biden's definitely a massively popular figure, but how much of that is organic, and how much of that is the result of everyone being told he was massively popular? Manufactured consent seems to have a big part in it. I have a hard time seeing the political outcomes as legitimate when the playing field is so obviously biased. Biden would have imploded like he always does, without the party behind him. That idiot has been blowing himself up in primaries for longer then some posters have been alive.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257041820124680192 I thought he said he didn't ban China?
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May 3, 2020 22:51
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StratGoatCom posted:Biden would have imploded like he always does, without the party behind him. That idiot has been blowing himself up in primaries for longer then some posters have been alive. Except that he blew the doors off in South Carolina to such a degree that certain farsighted individuals could immediately see he was in a stronger position than Bernie.
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StratGoatCom posted:Biden would have imploded like he always does, without the party behind him. That idiot has been blowing himself up in primaries for longer then some posters have been alive. Biden absolutely only won because of the massive tailwind of Obama nostalgia. How strong that tailwind is just is apparently incomprehensible to the part of the left that not only has convinced themselves that Obama was literally just GWB in a tan suit, but convinced themselves that everyone else believes the same.
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Abandoned Toaster posted:Ah so when he was talking about "the Virus in a very non-threatening, or matter of fact, manner" at the same time it was the intelligence community's fault, of course. Can’t be proven wrong if you speak in incomplete sentences without ever actually making a point.
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evilweasel posted:Except that he blew the doors off in South Carolina to such a degree that certain farsighted individuals could immediately see he was in a stronger position than Bernie. Why are you posting about Bernie Sanders so much? He’s not running for president.
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Name recognition and known quantities stands for a lot which is why incumbency is such a huge advantage and why I'm running under then name Burgerking Playstation.
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evilweasel posted:Except that he blew the doors off in South Carolina to such a degree that certain farsighted individuals could immediately see he was in a stronger position than Bernie. To what do you attribute Biden's success, beyond the establishment media calling him the only electable candidate and ignoring all his weaknesses for the duration of the primary?
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Abandoned Toaster posted:Ah so when he was talking about "the Virus in a very non-threatening, or matter of fact, manner" at the same time it was the intelligence community's fault, of course. yeah. apparently there was some quiet spread in California that killed folks before the big Washington outbreak. what sucks is the symptoms is scatter shot. i am sick right now and might have it but i am not sure because my lungs are mostly ok.
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evilweasel posted:this is a nonsense narrative that “bend the knee!!!” berniebros have talked themselves into to explain away their loss The "short period between Iowa and South Carolina" now apparently reaches all the way back to September of the previous year. https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us10242019_ulow46.pdf
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Willo567 posted:Looks like even Fox News is getting tired of Graham's poo poo In what way? Seems like Fox went pretty easy on him.
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Hey everybody it's me the Sane Warmonger here with another hot tip for all of you: it's not a war crime if you just ignore the international courts!
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"We stand on the precipice of an enormous crossroads." - Oathkeepers, 2020
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1257021073708761090 This tweet is a cure for imposter syndrome. You can literally gently caress up so bad in your forgery of a casus belli that you start a war that ends up killing over a million people over the course of two decades, gently caress up the economy through your party's ideal of no government oversight, and oversee the deaths of tens of thousands and the displacement of millions more during a horrible hurricane, and people will still stan you
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I’m not the most optimistic fellow, but I will say thinking Biden’s nomination is some sort of validation of “Trumpism” is extremely shortsighted. As already pointed out, the treatment of women by those in the highest levels of government has been horrific since the inception of America. Incremental change is hard to appreciate but Franken would never have resigned 20 years ago. The victims of these people aren’t ridiculed in popular media like they were in the past. The attitudes are changing, we’re unfortunately waiting for the boomers to come along or die.
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skeleton warrior posted:Nope, those things were actually happening. Thank you for this. I'm glad to hear not quite everything I know is wrong
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Data Graham posted:Thank you for this. I'm glad to hear not quite everything I know is wrong It's a good write-up on the stagnating economy in the soviet union. I just wanted to add that it's kinda hard to calculate, but from an economic perspective there are a tons of reasons for shortages to occur, but they also look differently in different economies. Like for example, capitalist counties can "add" more poor people as needed, who don't get much/any food, have to resort to crime/begging/hunger/etc. during crises. Where as it happens differently in socialist economies, and here you'll see bread lines etc. instead. So, in capitalist countries, you'll see the poverty rate shoot up in the 80s for example, where as you'll see bread ques in socialist economies. Similar underlying issues, but it's expressed differently based on the structure of the economy/market in a given area.
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evilweasel posted:yeah, and I elaborated at length on how that was normal and appropriate, and the complaint is that Bernie was not able to win via the spoiler effect. the response was, shall we say, not a compelling logical response that knocked down any point It wasn't normal and appropriate how Buttigieg, winner of two states by his own metrics, stated earlier in the day that he was going to continue running until SOMETHING happened behind the scenes. We know now that was likely Obama getting involved. It also wasn't normal and appropriate that Warren, having done absolutely nothing, decided to stay in through Super Tuesday with a bunch of magic money that appeared from the ether. I mean yeah the others gently caress em whatever but those two things just scream not normal.
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PerniciousKnid posted:To what do you attribute Biden's success, beyond the establishment media calling him the only electable candidate and ignoring all his weaknesses for the duration of the primary? This isn't a very strong argument. Many people argued that the reason why Bernie should win instead of say, Warren, was specifically because he was going to against the interest of the interest of capital, why would they give him a "fair" shake as a result? Why isn't the onus on Bernie's campaign to account for the media possibly not providing "fair and balanced" coverage? Additionally the media is not the establishment is not the democratic party. Bernie and by extension his supporters, all agreed to varying degrees to enter into a system and participate within a system that isn't going to be entirely fair. You can make the argument, that the DNC should give Bernie the nomination if he had a plurality of delegates going into the convention, because there's basic principles of democracy there, but I don't see how there can be any legitimate argument, that actors within the democratic party are obligated not to associate in ways or state their opinions via their freedoms of speech, association and assembly in ways that might not be advantageous to a long time outsider candidate. Things like the stupidity of the Iowa caucasus are unacceptable, having to go through several hours of long lines to vote in Austin is also unacceptable and shouldn't have happened; but it doesn't really follow in the end to claim a lack of legitimacy to Biden when he legitimately won various contests such as Wisconsin that proved that Bernie just wasn't generating the support he needed. As an aside, the notion that people will crawl over broken glass to vote to improve their material conditions was disproven decisively during the primaries if the texas long lines were too insurmountable a burden for the promised increase in turnout from the youth vote.
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One thing's for sure, Biden is really terrible at messaging at the moment. If Trump loses, it's because of his own gross incompetence, not Biden's brilliance.
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1257021073708761090 What is the argument? I'm lost
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1257021073708761090 USPol Spring: Oh FFS. You can be a sane warmonger. Killer robot posted:I remember how right before non-viable candidates dropping out of the primary became evidence of DNC election rigging, the prime evidence of DNC election rigging was non-viable candidates hanging on in the primary. Also that teeny-tiny Iowa thing 
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SocketWrench posted:What is the argument? I'm lost Bush was a better president than Trump because he was nice to his kids.
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evilweasel posted:trump getting defeated by the vp of the previous president is stretching the definition of a trump victory beyond its breaking point. You have fundamentally misunderstood the point being conveyed here. Look at yourself in the mirror, and realize that you have now convinced yourself that it's perfectly okay to vote for a rapist who puts children in dog cages. That is the final victory of Trumpism- the complete moral failure of our society. Comfortable people like you have now made your peace with horrors being practiced in the light of day; and you will happily pledge your life's energies to supporting the architects of said horrors- whilst smuggling condemning anyone who dares disagree with your acceptance of clear cut evil. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Push El Burrito posted:Name recognition and known quantities stands for a lot which is why incumbency is such a huge advantage and why I'm running under then name Burgerking Playstation. I deeply dislike biden but the man represents basically exactly what americans vote for in all it's disgusting ugly truth. He's a horrifying reflection of American voters Prester Jane posted:You have fundamentally misunderstood the point being conveyed here. Look at yourself in the mirror, and realize that you have now convinced yourself that it's perfectly okay to vote for a rapist who puts children in dog cages. That is the final victory of Trumpism- the complete moral failure of our society. American society has been an atrocity filled segregated, xenophobic, bigoted, genocidal, racist, hateful moral failure since quite literally the day the first European set foot in the Americas. In that respect things are quite constant. Unfortunately that absolves no one here of having to make lovely choices that do impact the immediate future, regardless of how much people feed the delusion of political predestination. It's specifically because of all the loving injustice that people need to be active participants. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:25 on May 4, 2020 |
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They are both owned by and ultimately answer to the exact same group of billionaires. You are trying to argue that a thumb and a finger from the same hand are actually different people because they are wearing different nail polish.
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SocketWrench posted:What is the argument? I'm lost They miss "compassionate conservatism".
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Dapper_Swindler posted:trumps just retweeting insane poo poo now. you could have said this exact thing nearly any day in the past year
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Raenir Salazar posted:Bernie and by extension his supporters, all agreed to varying degrees to enter into a system "All agreed to varying degrees." What does that even mean? In what way did I agree to enter a system? The Sean fucked around with this message at 00:29 on May 4, 2020 |
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Revelation 2-13 posted:It's a good write-up on the stagnating economy in the soviet union. I just wanted to add that it's kinda hard to calculate, but from an economic perspective there are a tons of reasons for shortages to occur, but they also look differently in different economies. Like for example, capitalist counties can "add" more poor people as needed, who don't get much/any food, have to resort to crime/begging/hunger/etc. during crises. Where as it happens differently in socialist economies, and here you'll see bread lines etc. instead. So, in capitalist countries, you'll see the poverty rate shoot up in the 80s for example, where as you'll see bread ques in socialist economies. Similar underlying issues, but it's expressed differently based on the structure of the economy/market in a given area. That's a very good point. There's an argument to be made that socialism doesn't just spread around the wealth, it spreads around the lack of wealth as well, so everyone gets hit with the shortages and lines rather than it being concentrated in the poor and out-groups. Most of the articles I've read blame Gorbachev for the worsening of lines in the late '80s, because despite his economic reforms, he insisted on not removing price controls. Removing those would have flipped the situation as you detail it - lines would have stopped, but because most people wouldn't have been able to afford bread or consumer goods anyways, and I can't imagine that would have been less destabilizing.
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