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bull3964 posted:Above it all, you have to really appreciate the luck in having ILM involved at both the formative stages of the VFX development and the stuff they did for the movies that they could then reuse in the series. Generations would have looked nowhere near as good without the six footer to fall back on, doubt they would have built a new ship model for that movie.
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They had so much with TNG & DS9 and they just pissed it away.
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oh but seriously I posted:They had so much with TNG & DS9 and they just pissed it away. TNG & DS9 had so much. Picard is a little much. 
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Doggles posted:TNG & DS9 had so much. Picard is a little much. They could have at least stolen some designs from STO. A Chimera or Stargazer wouldn't have hurt anything.
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May 2, 2020 19:16
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I think that design is from the game actually
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Tighclops posted:I think that design is from the game actually Nope, just looks like it. But you will be able to win the Zheng He-class (or whatever it's called) in one of STO's exclusive lockboxes! Just $4.99 per key! Odds are one-in-don't-loving-bother
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I get the urge to go try STO out again every few years. Haven't really played since 2015 when the grind started to get insane. I don't think I have above Mk 11 gear and I know it's really hard to get advance beyond that without spending money or wasting your life.
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a lot of people talk about the issues with the ships having the durability of a tie fighter in the dominion war, but the only times i remember ships being instaboomed was when they had no power from the breen energy weapon or were taking a direct hit from a cardassian planetary defense weapon, basically a yorktown sized phaser.
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Any ship except the Enterprise can be assumed to be destructible with a single well-placed torpedo if the shields are down.
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Tighclops posted:I think that design is from the game actually From what I can tell it's modelled on the same piece of concept art that became the Avenger, but done much worse.
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Zurui posted:Officers and crew, I come bearing something GLORIOUS Please state the nature of the vengeance emergency. Thom12255 posted:I get the urge to go try STO out again every few years. Haven't really played since 2015 when the grind started to get insane. I don't think I have above Mk 11 gear and I know it's really hard to get advance beyond that without spending money or wasting your life. Same, also the only thing that would make me happy now are admiral-level TNG era ships since all of their endgame designs are freaking hideous and yet, I'd rather do lines of ground glass than give Arc/PWE another dime. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 14:29 on May 3, 2020 |
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May 3, 2020 14:17
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The_Doctor posted:Huh, really? I watched the 1st episode, which was alright but nothing special, and couldn’t see where it was going to go after that. I guess I should keep watching? It is a slow burn. You have to set up a status quo before you can start to break it down. Then you break it down one thing at a time, with each step compounding on the previous.
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The_Doctor posted:Huh, really? I watched the 1st episode, which was alright but nothing special, and couldn’t see where it was going to go after that. I guess I should keep watching? I'm on ep 6 and IMO it's still really uneven Veep-style humor without the punch. Based on comments in this thread, I was expecting a development into something like JG Ballard's High Rise, so maybe it starts sliding in that direction?
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doctorfrog posted:I'm on ep 6 and IMO it's still really uneven Veep-style humor without the punch. Based on comments in this thread, I was expecting a development into something like JG Ballard's High Rise, so maybe it starts sliding in that direction? But Snowpiercer is starting soon on TBS.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GajLYHXizGQ Looks like we're on our way to actually inventing some of the Trek medical devices. (#4 is literally just the dermal regenerator, I poo poo you not.)
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doctorfrog posted:I'm on ep 6 and IMO it's still really uneven Veep-style humor without the punch. Based on comments in this thread, I was expecting a development into something like JG Ballard's High Rise, so maybe it starts sliding in that direction? There is an audio series that is like that, Wolf 359. Starts off really hokey, with silly hijinks and Red Dwarf zaniness (but unlike Red Dwarf, their initial episodes didn't gel with me). I heard it got serious and good and was one of the best sci-fi audios out there, and sure enough it did. Kept the humor while adding a lot of heart, drama, and philosophical looks at humanity. But it was a real slow burn and I nearly checked out several times.
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More! MORE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJYSdcOvXa0
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More TOS watch-through reactions- Arena- I watched this a very long time ago, maybe as far back as when you could rent the VHS tapes at Blockbuster. I only remembered the basic plot. It still holds up well today, but you could never make this again because the whole point of the episode was not letting miscommunication lead to violence. The Gorn suit definitely doesn't hold up well but there's no fixing that almost 55 years later. The show reuses the whole concept of having an advanced alien race forcing two sides into peace/confrontation not that long after this in Errand of Mercy with the Organians. Tomorrow is Yesterday- This is another one that I am pretty sure I watched at some point but I can't quite remember. I believe the slingshot time-travel concept gets reused in The Voyage Home, although it is portrayed differently. Another quality episode although I don't really understand why Kirk just immediately tells Christopher everything about what's going on. This comes back to bite him in the rear end twice as well, when Christopher pulls a gun/phaser on him. Court Martial- I have some familiarity with this episode but I have never actually watched it. It's overall a fine episode. I noticed a lot of similarity between this episode and Measure of a Man on TNG. It even has the captain's former lover as the prosecuting attorney thing that Measure of a Man did. This episode also brings back the idea that the computer is constantly recording the crew like in The Cage. Kirk's weird attorney who is obsessed with books and hates computers conveniently gets a case where a computer record being altered leads to his client being court-martialed. He didn't seem like a great attorney to me, and I don't believe he's going to be able to get Finney acquitted considering he confessed to his whole scheme in front of like 10 people. FlamingLiberal fucked around with this message at 05:56 on May 4, 2020 |
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Arena is a perfect episode and there is nothing about it that was not, and is not, and will not continue to be, good forever THANK YOU
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Man I don't remember this episode at all. Like really, nevermind the intake.
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Astroman posted:There is an audio series that is like that, Wolf 359. Starts off really hokey, with silly hijinks and Red Dwarf zaniness (but unlike Red Dwarf, their initial episodes didn't gel with me). I heard it got serious and good and was one of the best sci-fi audios out there, and sure enough it did. Kept the humor while adding a lot of heart, drama, and philosophical looks at humanity. But it was a real slow burn and I nearly checked out several times. Hm, my earphone bandwidth is already more than spoken for, but I'll add that one to the list.
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It took me a few videos from the playlist to figure out what was going on here. I am now delighted.
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We could've had The Orville 30 years ago.
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I've often wondered this, but where on the ship are the officers quarters meant to be? The obvious answer is around the saucer, but the windows seem too small and the angle of the wall is too steep.
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No, that's right, saucer edge, the long windows above the rim. These ones are meant to be captain picard.  They're the right size but they made the angle slightly gentler on the set than on the model. You could fanwank it with an explanation that the inside wall and inner window layer has a gentler slope than the outer hull layer, or just ignore it. They actually built the set so that they could flip the windows easily to show visibly different quarters that would be here  but they never bothered. Anyway, the steep angle was irritating to them to film, so that's why Voyager is covered with all these little cutouts for vertical windows that conveniently correspond to exactly to where main character's quarters are. 
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Love that couch. Mid 24th Century Modern, such a great style. 
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MikeJF posted:Anyway, the steep angle was irritating to them to film, so that's why Voyager is covered with all these little cutouts for vertical windows that conveniently correspond to exactly to where main character's quarters are. Wow, I never put that together before. Also the little non-cutout window lights look bad next to those big cutouts.
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I suspect another element to the window change, aside from ease of filming, was a desire to not look exactly like the TNG crew quarters.
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MikeJF posted:
Did they ever say what the greebles in the 'nose' of Voyager (and I suppose the entire Intrepid-class) were for? 
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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My brain: the greeblies are specialised sensory equipment for science Probably real reason: to evoke a hot rod engine sticking out the hood
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Randomly watching The Final Frontier for the first time in like 15 years and... man, this movie is just phenomenally poorly directed. Though there is one standout: DeForest Kelley is just fantastic. Sure, there are others that perform well enough despite Shatner's piss-poor direction (Doohan and Nimoy), but Kelley really stands out as someone who just groks the character so well that it's natural for him even if the director is awful Edit: also... kinda want a Go Climb A Rock t-shirt. Drone fucked around with this message at 17:44 on May 4, 2020 |
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Greebles being sensors has been a thing for the entire TNG era. There's a little band of greebles sandwiched along the edge of the Enterprise-D saucer that's meant to be the D's main sensor array, stretching all the way around. (Voyager has similar ones on the edge of her saucer too). We actually get a close-up model of them at one point - there's a super cool shot in early season 2, can't remember when, where the camera starts in space outside the front of the ship and pans down across the saucer edge and the sensor arrays down to our characters looking out the ten forward windows, they must've built a whole miniature for that shot and never used it again. I think it might be the same scene where we see the jump to warp from inside ten-forward as well, which I'm not sure they used again either. Defiant has smaller little greeble patch sensor arrays too, but not much because she don't give a gently caress about science. 
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See it like this without the nacelles makes me think of a Yacht.
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Sternbach loved greebles. Voyager and the Runabouts were the most Sternbach designed ships, and it shows. Dude fukken loved his greebles. I'd take that over Eaves making GBS threads all over the franchise any day though. I remember as a child seeing Sternbach's name on the legendary TNG Technical Manual and thinking he was like 100% behind how cool Star Trek was, along with Okuda's LCARs and language work. As I've gotten older I've really come to realize how much Probert really was the one who originally made the concepts and Sternbach just iterated really well on them. Whoever the gently caress is making the designs for Kurtzman era Trek now is phoning it in hardcore and they know it. I wonder how much money CBS is laundering for all of this money thrown at poo poo to have a proper explanation.
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jeeves posted:Whoever the gently caress is making the designs for Kurtzman era Trek now is phoning it in hardcore and they know it. I wonder how much money CBS is laundering for all of this money thrown at poo poo to have a proper explanation. My uninformed suspicion is that we're seeing the product of farming out work to a slew of different effects houses; i.e. the producers basically say "okay, you guys take Earth-side stuff, you guys take Romulan ships, you other guys take droidtown... uhh, I guess the Fed ships can go to you guys?" and wave them off, only caring about whether they come in at or under budget and whether their work files are compatible. Again, uninformed suspicion. I'd love to read articles/books on how modern television production works, with comparison and contrast to prior eras of television.
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The_Doctor posted:Did Eaves do the one fed ship we saw in Picard? If he didn't, it's at least someone who is cribbing hard off of Eaves-era design (or some idiot who has only ever seen Nemesis).
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