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Ringo Star Get posted:Oh god WHAT. CWC dipped a while ago into the whole "lesbian in a man's body" and embraced it as an excuse for why she/he could never get a girl.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Hope y'all are ready for rolling waves of quarantine and hospitals being slammed for the next... year? 18 months? However long it takes to get a vaccine working, through human trials, and into mass production basically. Chuds are now my job security at the hospital I work at, huh. I guess they are good for something. It loving sucks they're gonna get others sick. It's a loving shame we're still scrambling to find multiple alternate supply lines for poo poo we usually carry in bulk, on top of poo poo we normally receive on the daily being allocated in bulk shipments at the beginning of the month, which means if we burn through the entire month of May's supplies for any item early in the month, that's it, tough poo poo until the next month.
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May 4, 2020 18:24
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Taerkar posted:While marketing isn't nearly as effective as marketing execs would like, it is still fairly effective, though often in more subtle ways. People may claim they're too smart to fall for such tricks but their actions usually say otherwise. My marketing agency’s CEO, who still had a Mayor Pete sticker on her company SUV the last time I saw it (i.e. before quarantine), likes to point out that Coca Cola loses market share when it pulls back on ad revenue and there’s a great deal of value in simply being present. Reminding people that, hey, this option exists. Or, for a more relevant example, it’s considered part of the orthodox approach to understanding the 2016 election to credit Trump’s rise to cable news channels airing all his stump speeches in full. And most liberals believe that Russia influenced the election by influencing the ads people see on Facebook. For what it’s worth, I think this is one of the chief issues among Democrats—and Bernie. Trump is breathtakingly stupid, but he’s also a tireless narcissist who has always had the means to garner attention through the media. Part of that is just always providing news. I know the Bernard Brothers of the world have praised Bernie’s consistency, but the man has been giving the same stump speech since many of us were children. Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, all these old motherfuckers don’t know how to make news that isn’t a gaffe because what they actually say is so boring, whereas Trump’s desperate need for attention means he is constantly creating a wake of chaff behind him that prevents any real focus on his misdeeds. Basically, the American media couldn’t be better designed to produce the present moment, and it’ll be fun to know what future historians have to say about their culpability for all this in their cave paintings about this period of time.
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May 4, 2020 18:27
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SocketWrench posted:CWC dipped a while ago into the whole "lesbian in a man's body" and embraced it as an excuse for why she/he could never get a girl. they have a very ed gein level ideas of sex/gender/etc. not nipple belt levels but who knows.
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May 4, 2020 18:30
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're sort of skipping the important part here. The polling was very clear that Bernie was just as popular as Biden, and don't comparably in head-to-head polling. It's a manufactured fact to say that most Democrats were anti-Bernie (or anti-anyone, for the most part). The notion that Bernie couldn't beat Trump didn't come from the electorate; it was wholly invented by the same establishment figures who crowned Pete and Klob the winners of Iowa and New Hampshire. Bernie was popular among people that are young, and a subset of very politically involved people. The actual people that vote consistently in the US are old white people and they are completely terrified of the word socialism. He was never going to win. We do not live in that country and until the boomers die out or the younger generations start voting consistently that is going to remain the case. Imagine what the general election would have been like if Bernie was the nom. Imagine the attack ads, the opposition research. Fox would have unironically run pictures of Bernie in Moscow and accused him of being a communist russian stooge. The older members of my family who literally marched with Cesar Chavez thought Bernie was too left. Doesn't matter that it makes no sense for them to think that, but that's how the loving boomers think.
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May 4, 2020 18:33
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May 4, 2020 18:38
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Spite posted:Imagine what the general election would have been like if Bernie was the nom. Imagine the attack ads, the opposition research. Fox would have unironically run pictures of Bernie in Moscow and accused him of being a communist russian stooge. well thank god we avoided that fate and nominated a candidate about whom nary a bad word can be said E: I mean seriously it’s pointless to argue about the many counterfactuals here (despite the fact that we probably will until the lights go out), but if you’ll recall, Obama won Indiana in 2008, when he was still promising a progressive agenda. Has the country gotten more conservative since then? rko fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 4, 2020 |
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Ringo Star Get posted:Trump randomly capitalizing words in his tweets is a very Christian Weston Chandler kind of thing to do and it's just bringing back the weird internet memories from years ago. Trump is less Sonichu and more Yvette's Bridal. EDIT: Qanon, of course, is Timecube.
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May 4, 2020 18:40
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Apparently my county commissioner declared stay at home illegal and then declared that all businesses in our county are essential while our health department is screaming at the public to ignore them. The public did not and all the businesses are opening back up, including the florist/gift shop that is next door to the restaurant I work at. It has had customers all morning. This is in southwest Ohio. We're all going to die.
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May 4, 2020 18:47
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Spite posted:Bernie was popular among people that are young, and a subset of very politically involved people. You're talking about voter selection. I'm talking about approval/disapproval responses. Bernie was fairly popular outside of the people who voted for him, which is why it is wrong to say people were desperate to vote against him. Voters moved against him because the media pronounced that he couldn't beat Trump, not because people didn't like him.
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May 4, 2020 18:48
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Spite posted:Imagine the attack ads, the opposition research. The current candidate is a rapist.
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May 4, 2020 18:52
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Imagine the different attack ads to "he's a rapist" that would have ran against Bernie, indeed.
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May 4, 2020 18:53
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PerniciousKnid posted:You're talking about voter selection. I'm talking about approval/disapproval responses. Bernie was fairly popular outside of the people who voted for him, which is why it is wrong to say people were desperate to vote against him. Voters moved against him because the media pronounced that he couldn't beat Trump, not because people didn't like him. The issue there is if Bernie couldn't control media narrative in the primary how was he going to in the general? His inability to do so was a serious flaw in his campaign and you can't really do a "if everything was equal" argument when that will never be the case. He was frontrunner for a good while and never managed to make that translate into confidence. You can blame the media but the media wasn't going to be any kinder in the general. Trump is ratings gold and Sanders would be worse for Big Business so he had an absolute obligation to have a plan how to deal with that.
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May 4, 2020 18:54
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What would the plan have been, go back in the time and become vicepresident? Biden's the third dogshit Democratic vicepresident to win a nomination. Dem primary voters see "VP" and have an orgasm.
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May 4, 2020 18:56
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Pedro De Heredia posted:The current candidate is a rapist. There is a depressingly good chance Americans would care less about a rapist than a socialist. After all Trump is one.
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ImpAtom posted:There is a depressingly good chance Americans would care less about a rapist than a socialist. After all Trump is one.
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May 4, 2020 18:59
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Pedro De Heredia posted:What would the plan have been, go back in the time and become vicepresident? If Sanders can't do something like that how do you expect him to get anything done if he wins? I was all in on Sanders ground support. I was convinced it was enough. It wasn't. He needed more. Blaming everyone else just leads to not finding solutions. Blaming the world for being unfair is accurate but meaningless.
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May 4, 2020 19:01
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Tibalt posted:What the hell is ecofascism I have a feeling it is just going to be the rich continuing to take an ever shrinking pool of resources which will lead to people castigating others when the real effects of climate change become real. There will be lots of refugees. Those people are going to be hurt. Look at the way the world treats refugees now when there is enough resources for everyone. shits crazy.
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May 4, 2020 19:02
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ImpAtom posted:The issue there is if Bernie couldn't control media narrative in the primary how was he going to in the general? His inability to do so was a serious flaw in his campaign and you can't really do a "if everything was equal" argument when that will never be the case. He seemed to be taking control of the narrative after Nevada and before SC - to the point where even stalwart Never-Bernies like Joy Reid were changing their tune on him pretty dramatically. It's not a terribly huge leap to imagine that this might have continued had the Democratic establishment not put its thumb on the scale after SC. ImpAtom posted:If Sanders can't do something like that how do you expect him to get anything done if he wins? I don't think we've reached a point where we've blamed the media and the pro-corporate Dem establishment too much. Conversely, when the Bernie campaign's failure is discussed in mainstream sources, it is almost always couched as, "What did Bernie do wrong?"
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CubeTheory posted:Apparently my county commissioner declared stay at home illegal and then declared that all businesses in our county are essential while our health department is screaming at the public to ignore them. The public did not and all the businesses are opening back up, including the florist/gift shop that is next door to the restaurant I work at. It has had customers all morning. This is in southwest Ohio. I'm also in SW Ohio, and I just got back to work today. We were considered "essential" (cell phone repair), so we were open the whole time, but for the last 2 weeks my boss furloughed me and his other employee, shut down store #2, and worked here by himself. We're still on reduced hours and using PPE and distancing as much as possible. Of the 6-8 customers I had so far today, one had a mask. I think a lot of people are in "everything's fine now" mode. Until they or someone they know gets sick at least. I fully expect another shutdown.
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There are a few boxes in the US that you have to tick off to be a viable candidate. White, christian, old, and male. You can compromise, maybe, on one of these if you're generationally charismatic, but even then I wouldn't count on it. gently caress biden, but he's definitely of the mold that americans vote for. The same way that people will find the most tenuous excuses not to get well off white guys in trouble, people will come up with just as strained excuses to justify voting for him. Which is why he's electable. god this country is stupid
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May 4, 2020 19:07
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Majorian posted:He seemed to be taking control of the narrative after Nevada and before SC - to the point where even stalwart Never-Bernies like Joy Reid were changing their tune on him pretty dramatically. It's not a terribly huge leap to imagine that this might have continued had the Democratic establishment not put its thumb on the scale after SC. Among other things your argument here is "if they had just shut up and give up power it would be different" which is absurd. Sanders wanted to change things which meant he had to be able to handle opposition from the status quo. Focusing on how unfair it is amounts to going "I would have won the fight if they didn't punch back." You can't work to change lovely status quos and rely on it rolling over.
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May 4, 2020 19:09
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Djarum posted:It honestly isn't out of the realm of imagination. I am talking to a friend in southern Indiana right now and they just opened the state up today. He said all of the stores are like Black Friday that opened. A million dead is within the realm of realistic. There are three end scenarios for COVID-19: 1- An effective vaccine is developed and spread widely, quickly 2- An effective treatment while ill is identified and applied widely, quickly 3- The population attains herd health immunity levels and the virus isn't one that likes to come around yearly (i.e. immunity lasts) In the first 2, death numbers really depends on where we're at because otherwise, we're just doing #3. That's the entire point of flattening the curve, making sure healthcare can handle the extra COVID cases and everything else, but keeping that number simmering there to let it burn through the entire population. Herd health (i.e. there are enough immune people that spread doesn't really happen well) is attained anywhere from 50-70% of a population, more towards the higher end (probably). 70% of the US population is ~270 million. If we take the current case numbers of 1.1 million and 67.7k dead and assume that those do not represent the mild and asymptomatic cases that never presented, then we can run some basic scenarios. If the asymptomatic rate is 95%, then right now we have ~22 million total cases, 1.1 million tested positive, and 67.7k dead. Extrapolating to 270 million cases gives us ~800k dead. If the asymptomatic rate is 90%, then right now we have ~11 million total cases, 1.1 million tested positive, and 67.7k dead. Extrapolating to 270 million cases gives us ~1.6 million dead.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Imagine the different attack ads to "he's a rapist" that would have ran against Bernie, indeed. I recognize that this is extraordinarily bleak, but I suspect that "He's a socialist" ads would be more effective against Bernie than "he's a rapist" ads will be against Biden. America 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they have a very ed gein level ideas of sex/gender/etc. not nipple belt levels but who knows. yeah, CWC may well be trans, but no one can actually state that as they are a person with absolutely bonkers views on sex and gender and are so divorced from the real world that they are an edge case where one would need to start unpacking a lot of poo poo before addressing dysphoria. i hope they are being left alone at this point but i highly doubt that as we live in hellworld.
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ImpAtom posted:The issue there is if Bernie couldn't control media narrative in the primary how was he going to in the general? His inability to do so was a serious flaw in his campaign and you can't really do a "if everything was equal" argument when that will never be the case. this. I don't think Bernie was ready to go up against a party and media that was so well organized against him. It didn't matter how much money he raised or how many volunteers he had. I think there is pretty much no way that a candidate that the media or the party does not like getting very far. It doesn't matter if that candidate plans on actually helping people or working on bettering people's situations, with that kind of opposition you arent going to make it.
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ImpAtom posted:Among other things your argument here is "if they had just shut up and give up power it would be different" which is absurd. Sanders wanted to change things which meant he had to be able to handle opposition from the status quo. it all boils down to the fact the master will not let you use his tools to dismantle his house.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:The media controls a lot but they're not some all powerful force that we can lay all blame on, otherwise you start sounding like Trump. It wasn't "not Bernie", it was just, who most Democrats thought most other Democrats would rally around, and a former Obama VP fit that bill in their minds better than anyone else. And yes, the media had a huge influence on that, they're not all powerful but they're especially influential with the demographics that get out and vote in the highest numbers. But simply being Obama's VP was worth far more than Bernie supporters wanted to admit. Flying-PCP fucked around with this message at 19:26 on May 4, 2020 |
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May 4, 2020 19:23
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WoodrowSkillson posted:yeah, CWC may well be trans, but no one can actually state that as they are a person with absolutely bonkers views on sex and gender and are so divorced from the real world that they are an edge case where one would need to start unpacking a lot of poo poo before addressing dysphoria. I really wish the internet would stop bothering with CWC and just leave her alone, my God
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How are u posted:I recognize that this is extraordinarily bleak, but I suspect that "He's a socialist" ads would be more effective against Bernie than "he's a rapist" ads will be against Biden. America Sadly I think you are right. People in this country that vote with the most regularity have had decades of anti communist/socialist propaganda drilled into their skulls and unfortunately a lot of people will forgive sex assault if its against someone that they agree with.
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ImpAtom posted:Among other things your argument here is "if they had just shut up and give up power it would be different" which is absurd. It's not absurd in the slightest; everything I said there was descriptive, not prescriptive. The Democratic establishment made a very smart, canny move in putting its thumb on the scale when it did. Most of us didn't realize how game-changing it was until it was far too late. I don't expect them to not hold onto power with all their might, and I don't think Sanders was under that illusion either. This isn't me complaining that it wasn't fair. But it's important to be clear about what happened here: the Democratic establishment and the media manufactured consent among Democratic primary voters. Voters did not vote on policy; they voted the way they did because older voters still trust institutions. I don't think there was any way Bernie could have overcome that, given what we know now.
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Spite posted:The actual people that vote consistently in the US are old white people and they are completely terrified of the word socialism. He was never going to win. We do not live in that country and until the boomers die out or the younger generations start voting consistently that is going to remain the case. A lot of the same ideals were drilled into the heads of a large part of Generation X as well. It was very effective propaganda.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There are a few boxes in the US that you have to tick off to be a viable candidate. White, christian, old, and male. You can compromise, maybe, on one of these if you're generationally charismatic, but even then I wouldn't count on it. gently caress biden, but he's definitely of the mold that americans vote for. This is pretty hyperbolic when the dems haven't nominated a white male for president in almost twenty years and the 2018 elections where full of excellent minority candidates. Not to say we're post-racism or anything, but this is way overboard. edit: my brain time-shifted the 2000 convention a year Jarmak fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 4, 2020 |
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ImpAtom posted:Among other things your argument here is "if they had just shut up and give up power it would be different" which is absurd. Sanders wanted to change things which meant he had to be able to handle opposition from the status quo. I mean really it's unfair for there to have been a primary at all. The nomination should've just been given to Bernie because It's His Turntm, same with control of the DNC. Something something "bend the knee". I'm saying all of this partially in jest as someone who wanted Bernie to win and voted for him in the primary; but also because I'm very disappointed in the terminally online left who basically co-opted all the parts of Hillary's campaign messaging they didn't like in order to complain about the primaries. Oh so now they think Communism can do things 
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Jarmak posted:This is pretty hyperbolic when the dems haven't nominated a white male for president in almost twenty years and the 2018 elections where full of excellent minority candidates. Was gonna make a comment before you edited your post but the fact that John Kerry was so forgettable really highlights the failures of democratic leadership
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Wilbur Swain posted:I choked a little when he said "China behaved like authoritarian regimes do, attempted to conceal and hide and confuse". I love irony. Irony has been dead in America since we wrote founding documents espousing inalienable human rights while running an economy based on slavery. However, it is much more likely that irony has always been dead because humanity is, at its core, terrible and rife with hypocrisy.
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