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Scientist Al Gore posted:As a Democrat the party absolutely has room for anti-capitalists. You should join the party because they are too many - as I mentioned earlier - "diet capitalists". The candidate for the party you're referring to has stated he will oppose any attempts to reform the system. A diet capitalist is still a capitalist, and all of Obama's and Biden's careful pragmatism ended in a senile dotard named Donald Trump literally making GBS threads all over the meager progress the Dems gave us for 8 years. e: I also just remembered how the whole Occupy Wallstreet thing went when Obama was president so this post made me fondly recall the years behind us and how the Obama administration allowed the police to brutalize protesters for having the guile of demanding better things. COVID-19 fucked around with this message at 01:42 on May 6, 2020 |
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Scientist Al Gore posted:As a Democrat the party absolutely has room for anti-capitalists. You should join the party because they are too many - as I mentioned earlier - "diet capitalists". Cool. So who's a high ranking anti-capitalist in the party? What part of the platform is meant to appeal to the anti-capitalist?
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Scientist Al Gore posted:As a Democrat the party absolutely has room for anti-capitalists. You should join the party because they are too many - as I mentioned earlier - "diet capitalists". A bunch of anti-capitalist left the Democratic party within recent memory specifically because they would upset capitalism
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Roland Jones posted:Anything I said, perhaps. Or at least why you're right and the quotes I posted are wrong. I quoted a portion. Roland Jones posted:Also the post(s) that called you out on how disrespectful your summary of the Civil Rights Movement was. You're ignoring how you seem to have legitimately pissed off some people with that and are instead trying to play the victim to those "mean goons". I'm not going to respond to a bunch of posters screaming that were probated along the weird obsession that I'm a secret Biden support and actually like the guy. I don't. He's just an ends to a means.
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May 6, 2020 00:52
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Diet-capitalism, aka, "Human rights must be affordable (but you still have to pay for them and should die if you can't)": https://twitter.com/TheDemocrats/status/1257504540460490752
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Rainbow Knight posted:A bunch of anti-capitalist left the Democratic party within recent memory specifically because they would upset capitalism Recently? Who left? Gumball Gumption posted:Cool. So who's a high ranking anti-capitalist in the party? What part of the platform is meant to appeal to the anti-capitalist? They're aren't any high ranking leaders, that why we need more folks to join!
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Yinlock posted:he was in dead last before obama stepped on the scale In terms of current delegates, maybe. In terms of expected delegates through end of race given his strength in South and outside coasts, no. Gumball Gumption posted:So is that a yes or a no? It's a not really, at least for now. In a two party system everyone isn't going to have a party that is well aligned with their own politics. I don't think there's some great injustice when moving one of the two parties to be more like you will inevitably shift it away from others. Venomous posted:lmao @ the idea that the proletariat should be concerned about the 'plight' of the neoliberal bourgeoisie MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I imagine their home would be with the Republicans, since they were never serious about the social stuff anyway. COVID-19 posted:Can someone please think of the comfortable, deluded bourgeois? It would seem you need to think about them if you ever hope to win a democratic primary, much less 270 EVs. Like Biden telling the questioner to go vote for Republicans or Trump, I don't think telling moderate libs to do the same is a winning strategy.
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KingNastidon posted:And once you've vanquished the moderate liberals where will their home be? Not economically left enough for the new Democrats, too socially left for Republicans. Do you not consider their plight and lack of home or is it all about me, me, me? They're voting for a segregationist with half a dozen #MeToos, I think they'll like the Republican party just fine Maybe they can even make it pro-gay
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KingNastidon posted:And once you've vanquished the moderate liberals where will their home be? Not economically left enough for the new Democrats, too socially left for Republicans. Do you not consider their plight and lack of home or is it all about me, me, me? The Democratic Party has spent the last 3 decades trying to appeal to moderate Republicans. Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin were welcomed with open arms after 2016 as a part of the hashtag resistance. Who cares? Your job is secure and you don't have to worry about your life changing in any meaningful way. You won.
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Ok, I think I've got it. So there are no high ranking anti-capitalist officials. There are no policies that support a path to dismantling capitalism. There is a lack of liberal left policies like recognizing healthcare and housing as human rights and not commodities. This is one of the highest ranking members: https://youtu.be/MR65ZhO6LGA But I should join the party and vote for Joe Biden so that I can convince a bunch of people who are very loudly saying that they do not agree with my beliefs or wants that they should?
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Phone posted:The Democratic Party has spent the last 3 decades trying to appeal to moderate Republicans. Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin were welcomed with open arms after 2016 as a part of the hashtag resistance. Has Democratic Party officially endorsed these two people?
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KingNastidon posted:It would seem you need to think about them if you ever hope to win a democratic primary Why would leftists be interested in attracting these people? They demand war, free markets, and a steady diet of misinformation from media conglomerates, things leftists generally oppose.
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KingNastidon posted:It would seem you need to think about them if you ever hope to win a democratic primary, much less 270 EVs. Like Biden telling the questioner to go vote for Republicans or Trump, I don't think telling moderate libs to do the same is a winning strategy.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Recently? Who left? Idk. anyone who voted for Bernie Sanders and then left the Democratic party
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Honestly at this point I don't understand why you don't all join the Republican party and convince them to move left. Think about it, join them, vote for their policies, work in the system, and move them left. Then you have two liberal left parties and we're better for it. Actually it might work even better. It has to be easier to move a liberal right party to the left than it is to move a liberal party to communist.
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Phone posted:The Democratic Party has spent the last 3 decades trying to appeal to moderate Republicans. Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin were welcomed with open arms after 2016 as a part of the hashtag resistance. I'd ask why you're sure my job is secure and life won't change, but I'm confident you more than anyone has the details. It's not a matter of "winning." I dropped my Bernie ballot off like essentially everyone else here because he was the best candidate. I don't expect everyone to vote Biden in the general, but I will. But then what? Moderate dems aren't going anywhere and are necessary to win a democratic primary. So either people whine about DNC and MSNBC for another 4+ years or examine where Bernie went wrong and discuss strategy/messaging to fix it. The same type of roadblocks will exist in the next race.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:As a Democrat the party absolutely has room for anti-capitalists. You should join the party because they are too many - as I mentioned earlier - "diet capitalists". hey could you tell me more of your thoughts on what Martin Luther King Jr would say if he was alive today, it was very enlightening and I would like to hear more
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Scientist Al Gore posted:As a Democrat the party absolutely has room for anti-capitalists. the party is actively hostile to anti-capitalists
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KingNastidon posted:I'd ask why you're sure my job is secure and life won't change, but I'm confident you more than anyone has the details. have you considered that "moderate" Dems are actually obstructing progress and Bernie was not wrong you know, since you loving voted for him
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KingNastidon posted:I'd ask why you're sure my job is secure and life won't change, but I'm confident you more than anyone has the details. So how did New Hampshire and Nevada (and California and anywhere else Bernie did manage to win) happen if moderate Dems are necessary to win a democratic primary?
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Yinlock posted:the party is actively hostile to anti-capitalists No doubt, but you should still join and try to participate. Out of curiosity, how would posters here rank the last dozen US Presidents on a political compass chart? 
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KingNastidon posted:
That all sounds like good reason to not work with the DNC then? Also we're talking about the contest for political power, it is above all about winning.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I don't know what you are trying to ask at all. May you rephrase the question? There is no question. I am encouraging you continue your fabrications. Scientist Al Gore posted:Recently? Who left? poo poo, I left. I've voted blue no matter who since 2004 when I literally did not know who John Kerry was. Every single presidential election, every single year, for *checks watch* 12 years. I even voted in most midterms, including the 2010 when every Democrat simultaneously stayed home because of the despairing failure of the Obama administration. No more.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:No doubt, but you should still join and try to participate. this was tried this primary, the party responded by nominating the worst possible candidate purely out of spite quote:Out of curiosity, how would posters here rank the last dozen US Presidents on a political compass chart? first of all, you have a lot of wasted space there  just throw darts at this square
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Yinlock posted:this was tried this primary, the party responded by nominating the worst possible candidate purely out of spite  Even FDR?
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https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/05/the-attacks-on-tara-reade-are-unbelievable-bullshit/ This article is the poo poo and blasts away the arguments against Reade's confession.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:
you specified "last dozen"
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Scientist Al Gore posted:
You said dozen. Jesus, dude. And, yes, a lot of people consider concentration camps as authoritarian right, and those things may override his social democrat policies.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:
FDR imprisoned Japanese and socialist citizens so he's not left, and he's not a libertarian, but he's probably on the left side of the square.
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also yeah FDR wasn't the greatest himself, he was just smart enough to know that he was about to have a literal class war on his hands if the rich weren't strong-armed into doing the right thing for once in their live e: though tbf this still puts him above like every other president Yinlock fucked around with this message at 01:48 on May 6, 2020 |
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May 6, 2020 01:46
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Scientist Al Gore posted:
Do you know what Dozen means?
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Know what would be hosed up? If a bunch of Republicans joined the Democrats at the same time as the left and tried to move the party right. I feel like the Republicans would have a better chance because it's easier to move a liberal left party to the right than to communism because liberals are capitalists. That would be wild if it happened. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-never-trumpers-crashed-the-democratic-party/
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You went too far back by 1 even! 34-45 is twelve presidents. Even giving him the grace of "Well actually I meant the twelve before the current" doesn't include FDR.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You went too far back by 1 even! i was being generous. i deal with fencepost errors all day.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:No doubt, but you should still join and try to participate. Pretty much all in the upper-right quadrant of the upper-right quadrant. Yinlock posted:also yeah FDR wasn't the greatest himself, he was just smart enough to know that he was about to have a literal class war on his hands if the rich weren't strong-armed into doing the right thing for once in their lives And they wanted to kill him for it. Unrelated, was this posted here already? Because wow. https://twitter.com/eugene_scott/status/1257434043815206914
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It's hilarious to read all this "you should stay in and vote blue because that will totally move the democrats leftward" from people who apparently don't realize that the folks in charge of said party gain literally nothing from pleasing voters over doing what their rich donor base wants. The people who run the party are not stupid* and generally do not act against their best interests, which are getting big donations, cushy jobs, and other "benefits" from big donors and supporters. * At this point I do not think even the most forgiving person could look at the repeated failures of the D party and not see them as controlled opposition.
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Roland Jones posted:And they wanted to kill him for it. oh yeah the rich loving hate being told what to do like children even though it's consistently the only way to get them to do things that aren't insanely destructive Zamujasa posted:It's hilarious to read all this "you should stay in and vote blue because that will totally move the democrats leftward" from people who apparently don't realize that the folks in charge of said party gain literally nothing from pleasing voters over doing what their rich donor base wants. Personally I think they're stupid and controlled opposition
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You went too far back by 1 even! He meant a baker's dozen DUH. Can someone explain what the "authoritarian left" even means? Is it the few having power over the many? Edit: I mean, the many having power over the few? Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 6, 2020 |
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How are u posted:I don't like what they did in NY and hopefully the voters hold them accountable down the line. How exactly are they supposed to do this when abstaining/voting for a third party is off limits? It’s not like there won’t be Republicans on the NY ballot in the next election.
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