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yronic heroism posted:Then make the case for your program being better for the greatest number. Nobody in the real world gives a poo poo that anyone’s plan uses the word “affordable.” Nobody outside of left Twitter is going to quiver when you say “tax credits.” yeah, voters are actually pretty good at picking up on this bullshit, which is why Biden has a historically low level of enthusiasm.
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is pepsi ok posted:political compass is garbage for morons. The real political compass is if your first reaction to it is "But how does it come to this answer?" or "Oh wow you answer questions and then it tells you your politics!"
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Do you find this accurate?
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Gumball Gumption posted:The real political compass is if your first reaction to it is "But how does it come to this answer?" or "Oh wow you answer questions and then it tells you your politics!" I mostly have fun sharing the quizzes with not-very-politically-engaged friends, then after seeing their (almost inevitably very mild/middling) results sharing mine and seeing how they react to me being about as extreme as the quiz will let me be. Though I also spent a decent amount of time trying to figure out how PolitiScales works and generates its flags one night, which was fun, and also revealed that they have the best result if you answer neutral or undecided to everything:  yronic heroism posted:Then make the case for your program being better for the greatest number. Nobody in the real world gives a poo poo that anyone’s plan uses the word “affordable.” Nobody outside of left Twitter is going to quiver when you say “tax credits.” punishedkissinger posted:yeah, voters are actually pretty good at picking up on this bullshit, which is why Biden has a historically low level of enthusiasm. Yeah, if anyone is paying any attention at all, when they see stuff like the endless stream of asterisks and qualifications to that one Harris plan they realize that it's hopeless or won't actually help them. Besides, I already made my case in the post you replied to: Healthcare being something you have to pay for guarantees that some people who need it will go without due to financial difficulty and thus puts a price on not-dying. If we acknowledge that healthcare is a human right, as the Democrats are pretending to do, then putting a price on it is fundamentally unjust. This is not hard to understand. PerniciousKnid posted:I got Justice * Socialism * Humanity but my flag was extremely ugly. Yeah, sadly due to the colors being related to your dominant scores it's hard to get a good-looking flag if your politics aren't morally reprehensible; sometime last year I answered every question with the opposite of what I actually believed just to see what it'd give me, and the flag was much nicer, if fairly plain. 
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Do you find this accurate? I hope you don't. Obama's as left as Hitler. 
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VitalSigns posted:Lol at slaveowners in the "libertarian" half, very revealing Rand writes entire books about big, strong, rapey super men who are exalted above the stupid rabble and is somehow not considered authoritarian.
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Dixon Chisholm posted:I hope you don't. It's fun to just look at where they put everyone from election to election; in 2008 they actually put Biden closer to the center than Obama:  Then in 2012, well, that's actually arguably more accurate, though Rand Paul not being authoritarian is buying into his propaganda rather than looking at what he actually says and does.  2016, they put Hillary to the right of Trump, though much less authoritarian than him.  And now, for the most recent 2020 one, they've got Biden far right finally, but are all over the place with a lot of others, including suggesting that Gabbard was as far left and less authoritarian than Bernie, which is hilarious.  Basically, it's all over the place and seemingly arbitrary, pretty much only good for showing to people who aren't really engaged to try to get the idea in their head that US politics are far, far to the right of the rest of the world and actually confined to a very narrow spectrum, and maybe hoping that the absurd test results get them to start thinking "hey, maybe I don't fit into these either of parties after all". (Though if they actually end up right-wing and/or authoritarian on this, uh, maybe stop hanging out with them, because they probably put some worrisome answers in there.) Cpt_Obvious posted:Rand writes entire books about big, strong, rapey super men who are exalted above the stupid rabble and is somehow not considered authoritarian. Rand's entire image is one contrary to what she actually professed, and how she lived her own life ironically enough; by her own standards she was one of the subhuman parasites she constantly railed against, though she'd have never admitted it. Really though her work is nonsense and it's both hilarious and frightening that a significant chunk of the political spectrum worships books whose protagonists were based on a real serial killer the author was completely obsessed with and saw as the ideal human being. (Edit: Seriously, she has letters and stuff describing the man the exact same way she does her ubermensch protagonists, it's kind of horrifying.) If she were born a few decades later she'd have been writing edgy Internet smut or something instead, and probably been much happier for it. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 04:12 on May 6, 2020 |
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A person's personal political beliefs - the things they think in their heart of hearts from the comfort of their computer chairs - don't matter unless they're backed up with action. Sure, a gaggle of Karens having their Starbucks book club meeting might answer to the question "Do you think sweatshop workers should be treated better?" with a resounding, unanimous affirmative. I don't doubt they'd mean it when they say it. But if they continue to vote for the Schumers and Coons and Pelosis of the world, what impact does that belief have? Being against things like American Imperialism or parasitical private health care in the abstract is fine and dandy, but it doesn't matter if you don't do something to oppose it in practice. An accurate political compass would measure actions and decisions you've already made which would be tricky (and deeply suspicious) to do. The ones that exist can be fun and interesting, but lol at using one to bolster your side of an argument. Double lol if you're doing that to prove to leftists that you're a truer leftist than they, all while stanning for Joe loving Biden.
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yronic heroism posted:Affordability is based on means. If someone has no means, they can afford zero, which Democratic plans actually recognize and address. Have you ever applied for Medicaid or food stamps? Do you understand how much work it takes to prove that you don’t have any money? How many hoops there are to jump through? How many inane rules exist where messing up results in having to start from the beginning, often with a months-long waiting period before you can try again? That’s the experience of means testing for most people. That, and logging on to the good old healthcare dot gov to discover how unaffordable it is to be alive right now. Even if you are absolutely right, that the wonk thesis is correct and means testing is the most efficient way to run a welfare state, it’s a huge political loser and has resulted in some catastrophic losses across numerous elections. Also, again, why should I have to be able to afford human rights? It’s literally something we believe is a right one receives simply by being born. Why is access to it contingent on either working or performing an increasingly silly series of antics to maintain “access” to food and shelter and healthcare?
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Maybe hiding isn't such a hot campaign strategy https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKBN22I005 Reuters posted:According to the poll, 45% of Americans said Trump was better suited to create jobs, while 32% said Biden was the better candidate for that. That pushed Trump’s advantage over Biden in terms of job creation to 13 points, compared with the Republican president’s 6-point edge in a similar poll that ran in mid-April.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Maybe hiding isn't such a hot campaign strategy Yes but him actively campaigning is even worse. Sometimes you just gotta got with the lesser of two evils.
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rko posted:Have you ever applied for Medicaid or food stamps? Do you understand how much work it takes to prove that you don’t have any money? How many hoops there are to jump through? How many inane rules exist where messing up results in having to start from the beginning, often with a months-long waiting period before you can try again? And it really sucks to see a lot of otherwise seemingly good faith leftists totally forget or not realize that we've just accepted that means testing is unavoidable and not an age old small government Conservative trick to make it hard to apply for this stuff by design. It's like how Florida's unemployment system was designed to not pay people to simply keep the stated jobless numbers down while people just hosed off and/or starved. It's not meant to help as many people as it can, just the opposite. Simply shrugging and saying oh well, that's the system we have is ceding even more rhetorical gain to the Dark Side. Means testing is difficult overhead meant to deny people help, period. It's always bad. Always. By design. Don't defend it, folks.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Rand writes entire books about big, strong, rapey super men who are exalted above the stupid rabble and is somehow not considered authoritarian. Her idealistic utopia involved the heroes sabotaging all the means of production to genocide everyone except the bourgeoisie, who lived in a magical valley and invented automated factories to replace all the lower classes. The valley is private property and the owner rules like a king and imposes arbitrary punishments for laws he gets to make up on the spot Not authoritarian.
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https://twitter.com/NoraReed/status/1257869379779223552 https://twitter.com/NoraReed/status/1257870430255239169 VitalSigns posted:Her idealistic utopia involved the heroes sabotaging all the means of production to genocide everyone except the bourgeoisie, who lived in a magical valley and invented automated factories to replace all the lower classes. Seriously, if people aren't familiar with how Ayn Rand was literally in love with a serial killer and literally described him as an "ideal man" and described him in the same terms she later used to describe the "heroes" of her novels, read up on it. [Warning, contains graphic descriptions of said killer's activities.] quote:The best way to get to the bottom of Ayn Rand's beliefs is to take a look at how she developed the superhero of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten with Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation — Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street — on him.
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Those political alignment charts are about as informative, useful, and scientific as the Myers Briggs personality type indicator.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Those political alignment charts are about as informative, useful, and scientific as the Myers Briggs personality type indicator. Well, I sure like this conversation as opposed to other recent topics. Plus this helped me discover council communism! And FiveThirtyEight does have a real personality test if you’re interested.
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I think I've got it. When I took the test it put me in the far lower left corner. But the test says all of the Democratic candidates were on the right upper quadrant. Does it make sense for us to even be in the same political party?
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Well, I sure like this conversation as opposed to other recent topics. Plus this helped me discover council communism! https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/personality-quiz/#result-charts Here have a go at that.
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Biden's edge evaporates as Trump seen as better suited for economy, coronavirus response, poll shows Imagine stanning for a party - whether you mean the establishment shitheels who control it or the rank-and-file who go along with that control - that at best can't make a convincing case why this piece of poo poo doesn't belong in Washington and they do. A party that, even if everything goes perfectly according to plan, will have handed this guy the keys for four years and then barely managed to take them back in a squeaker of an election after he's hosed everything up. And, failing that, lost to him twice, both times due to their outrageous and completely unjustified hubris.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/personality-quiz/#result-charts I feel that if you have to write "Not based on junk science" at the top of your quiz, its safe to assume that there's some junk science in there.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/personality-quiz/#result-charts According to this quiz I am a human disaster, so I am inclined to believe it is accurate.
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:I feel that if you have to write "Not based on junk science" at the top of your quiz, its safe to assume that there's some junk science in there. Human beings are too complex for these "personality tests."
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punishedkissinger posted:yeah, voters are actually pretty good at picking up on this bullshit, which is why Biden has a historically low level of enthusiasm. If enthusiasm was the be all and end all Bernie woulda not got owned.
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yronic heroism posted:If enthusiasm was the be all and end all Bernie woulda not got owned. Then how do you explain Trump falling short to Clinton? Enthusiasm might not be the end-all be-all, but it does play a factor.
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yronic heroism posted:If enthusiasm was the be all and end all Bernie woulda not got owned. It's almost as if the things necessary to win a primary are not the same as the things necessary to win a general...
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Biden's edge evaporates as Trump seen as better suited for economy, coronavirus response, poll shows Liberals: "Why would Bernie do this to us?"
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Scooter_McCabe posted:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/personality-quiz/#result-charts that's great. I score extremely low on extraversion and extremely high on aesthetic sensitivity and their warning is "be aware, though, that dangerous drugs are among the things you’re more likely to be willing to try. Substance use disorders are a serious risk." As if I need an internet survey to tell me I'm an introverted alcoholic.
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Probably Magic posted:Then how do you explain Trump falling short to Clinton? Enthusiasm might not be the end-all be-all, but it does play a factor. Every election is different and trying to gin up one factor among many as the sole determinant is a fools’ errand, especially when the results are close because then any one of a bunch of factors have an equal claim to “deciding the election.”
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joepinetree posted:It's almost as if the things necessary to win a primary are not the same as the things necessary to win a general... Also necessary != sufficient.
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yronic heroism posted:If enthusiasm was the be all and end all Bernie woulda not got owned. Good thing no one claimed it was the be-all end-all then. People here believe it’s an important factor. You evidently feel differently, even after 2016.
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That political compass is wrong as hell, it's basically impossible to get auth left because all the good stuff authleft have ever done is ascribed to the libleft because the designers have capitalist brain poisoning, so that's where it puts you even if you're a hardcore maoist, unless I guess you're one of like 3 people in the world who believes in full rights for women because we're gonna need a bigger workforce for all the holocausts we have planned, and even then specifically centrally planned because otherwise it'd just be liberalism
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Dick Trauma posted:The thought that anyone would rank Trump's performance higher than someone else, in any category, boggles my mind. Rapes? Bankruptcies? Enraging literally billions of people?
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So like, I'm still waiting on an answer on how long i need to wait for marriage equality before i am morally ok to not vote for Dems.
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like if i vote for Biden and still don't have it, am i allowed to vote green next election? what about 2024? or do i have to just vote for biden and whatever other rapists the dems throw at me for the next 25 years? Can anyone argue why, exactly, disabled rape survivors should vote for Biden? I'm serious. Give me a reason to vote for him. Please. Tell me, a socialist trans disabled queer rape survivor, why i owe biden my vote. tell need how he'll help me. tell me.
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They don't care, The only thing that matters to these cynical Free Market Liberals is The Market.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Those political alignment charts are about as informative, useful, and scientific as the Myers Briggs personality type indicator. But it was nice and soothing to do the dumb test with its dumb questions and learn that I'm apparently Karl Marx Reborn
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