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Spelled "gently caress, we got caught again". It's no wonder Tories are into child molesting and tax evasion, those are the only crimes they can commit and get away with it.
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justcola posted:a young Starmer reading The Warlock of Firetop Mountain, keeping his finger wedged on the last page as he makes bad choice after bad choice. His mother comes in to find her 20 year old son weeping at the choose-your-own-adventure book. I understand that but, the solid belief that ultimately there has to be a solution, and I just can't find out what it is, is partially why a lot of people are sad and angry. I should know, I'm one.
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The correct solution to CYOA books is, of course, to put them down after about 30 minutes and do literally anything else with your life.
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Josef bugman posted:I think I understand it. It's wanting to not commit to knowing or feeling anything out of fear. You don't want to look like a bad person, or you think you don't have the knowledge and do not wish to appear as a fool, so you equivocate. I think if we were somehow in this exact situation re: Brexit but with Starmer in charge he would be asking for an extension now, and there's absolutely no way in hell that Starmer won't support one if it gets to December without a deal. The only thing he's not doing is actually saying the words. There's obviously not much to be gained from saying "in a hypothetical situation where I was prime minister right now, I would be asking for an extension", but being Mr Remain in charge of the remain/anti-no deal party and desperately avoiding saying "we want to avoid a no deal Brexit in December, so we would back an extension if the government hadn't negotiated a deal by December" is just weak. It annoys the people who want you to say "of course we don't want no deal and would ask for an extension to avoid it" and also the people who already know you're a remainer and can read the very obvious subtext of your response/existence, which is that you would ask for an extension. Maybe with the other one about unsafe workplaces it was partly indecisiveness, because it's a hypothetical situation and he said he'd have to look at it. However, the question was explicitly about a union stating it had concerns regarding PPE and so I'd have expected him to just say "yes" because it's not like saying "we'd have to look at it" adds any nuance, unless the implication is supposed to be that maybe the union are just being troublemakers (which is probably not a good thing for the Labour leader to be implying) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m695e8MYXE&t=963s like this is a much better way of approaching that question, which say workers legally shouldn't have to go back to unsafe workplaces, but also that work places shouldn't be unsafe so it shouldn't be a problem Len McCluskey posted:Mr McCluskey said it was every worker's "statutory right" to have such an environment and any worker "unsure" of having that available "should not be pressured in going back to work". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52610585
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OwlFancier posted:The correct solution to CYOA books is, of course, to put them down after about 30 minutes and do literally anything else with your life.
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Josef bugman posted:I understand that but, the solid belief that ultimately there has to be a solution, and I just can't find out what it is, is partially why a lot of people are sad and angry. I should know, I'm one. Nobody really knows what the solution is, but I'd expect the leader of the opposition to take more of a stand than sort of back-up government advice that's purposefully vague. Increased pay for key workers, UBI, anything would do. If Philip Scofield is having a bigger do at Boris than the leader of the Labour party its not looking rosy for the next few years.
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May 11, 2020 14:07
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https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1259827662685691906 Even when it's something of this scale all the Labour right can do is tone policing and managing expectations.
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lol I'd noticed that Karol Sikora guy had been cropping up a lot as a pro-government anti-lockdown "expert" https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1259809171551158272 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Sikora
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May 11, 2020 14:10
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https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1259809498560106497 novel. Maybe risky since it'll be right before the daily press briefing at 7pm
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May 11, 2020 14:15
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1259827662685691906 She was responsible for the controls on immigration mug for those who don't know
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May 11, 2020 14:17
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Gort posted:I'm sure the BBC would not send the tories a copy of the speech ahead of time so they can prepare responses to it ahead of time You can be 100% sure it'll be leaked to the CON team, if it's not the BBC then it'll be someone in the LAB shadow cabinet itself It is already ahead of time (5.50pm < 7pm...) but yeah I would bet on a few CON advisors being very busy this afternoon
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May 11, 2020 14:20
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so the white collar and parasite classes get to work from the comfort of their homes and the rest of us get face masks and the threat of destitution if we don't serve them. cool.
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May 11, 2020 14:24
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60 page document is out: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy
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ronya posted:You can be 100% sure it'll be leaked to the CON team, if it's not the BBC then it'll be someone in the LAB shadow cabinet itself The right wingers in the shadow cabinet aren't going to start briefing against the leader now he's one of their own.
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May 11, 2020 14:31
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Jose posted:She was responsible for the controls on immigration mug for those who don't know She also tweeted that NOT to vote for Jess Phillips - not known for being Jewish - in the leadership election (before Phillips pulled out obviously) was anti-semitic.
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May 11, 2020 14:31
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Jedit posted:The right wingers in the shadow cabinet aren't going to start briefing against the leader now he's one of their own. one of the others then?
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Good news everyone! Pret is open, so you can queue in to a tiny little shop and get your hot cup of
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:60 page document is out: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy Reads like propaganda so far, full of, "From the start the government has been guided by science" when in reality they botched it super hard and had to scramble to cover their arses ASAP
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Has this been posted? https://twitter.com/PaulJSweeney/status/1259751127941341184?s=20
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May 11, 2020 14:40
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1259827662685691906 When someone like this talks about "being a grown-up" somehow all I can picture is their face sliding up and down the line between "we have food at home" and "orders one black coffee, leaves" on the mcdonalds alignment chart.
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:60 page document is out: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy quote:Face-coverings They can't be arsed giving us all face masks so just wear a scarf that will act as a sort of sponge instead
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reassuring that the science has changed and now masks won't actually give you the roni because you might touch your face
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Dead Goon posted:Has this been posted? This will never happen though because that's not the kind of saving money this government wants to do, it would look like a £50bil reduction in economic activity and that's bad according to GDP worshipers.
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justcola posted:They can't be arsed giving us all face masks so just wear a scarf that will act as a sort of sponge instead I'm gonna be making my own for my weekly Out Time, which I've thus far resisted bothering with, on the basis that honestly the only thing I'm doing is going from my cart to the shop, doing the shop, going back to the car - but now if we're going to have kids being largely asymptomatic vectors again and decent chunks of the population being forced to work, I'll probably take 60% effectiveness over nothing. I pity future me for the paranoia over whether it's safe to touch the apples I will have bought yesterday.
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Dead Goon posted:Has this been posted? I don't see how this gains donations for the tory party, why would they consider it
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Gort posted:Reads like propaganda so far, full of, "From the start the government has been guided by science" when in reality they botched it super hard and had to scramble to cover their arses ASAP quote:I must ask the country to be patient with a continued disruption to our normal way of life, but to be relentless in pursuing our mission to build the systems we need. The worst possible outcome would be a return to the virus being out of control – with the cost to human life, and – through the inevitable re-imposition of severe restrictions – the cost to the economy. quote:7. The Government must prepare for the challenges that the winter flu season will bring. This will have wide-ranging effects, from impeding any efforts to trace the virus (because so many people without COVID-19 are likely to have symptoms that resemble COVID-19), to increasing the demand for hospital beds. quote:Much of what is desirable is not yet possible. So the Government’s plan considers carefully when and where to take risk. A 'zero risk' approach will not work in these unprecedented times. The Government will have to invest in experimental technologies, some of which are likely not to work as intended, or even prove worthless. But waiting for complete certainty is not an option. quote:As soon as practicable, workplaces should follow the new “COVID-19 Secure” guidelines, as set out in the previous chapter, which will be published this week. quote:It is likely that the Government will continue to advise people who are clinically extremely vulnerable to shield beyond June. quote:Level 1 COVID-19 is not known to be present in the UK Dead Goon posted:Has this been posted?
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I actually had a bunch of surgical masks from ages ago from when I used to ride the National Express once a week, which would make me sick literally every single time I only use 'em when I'm inside, though, and that's only once every ten days or so. Don't see any point in wasting my dwindling supplies on it when I'm outdoors
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Jedit posted:The right wingers in the shadow cabinet aren't going to start briefing against the leader now he's one of their own. oh there's a big tradition of it on the left too T. Benn was the big pioneer of using strategic leaks to the media to batter the leader, don't forget Starmer has his own most credible leadership opponent in his cabinet, there's going to be plenty of backstabbing over the next five years too
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justcola posted:Nobody really knows what the solution is, but I'd expect the leader of the opposition to take more of a stand than sort of back-up government advice that's purposefully vague. Increased pay for key workers, UBI, anything would do. If Philip Scofield is having a bigger do at Boris than the leader of the Labour party its not looking rosy for the next few years. I mean yes, but the belief that "If I just say and do the right things and the right time I can get it all to work, right?!" seems quite common.
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The Starmer Plan is to be as unobtrusive as possible until the election, at which point the tories will hopefully have hosed up enough for him to win on a "Not the tories" ticket. It was also the Milliband Plan.
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Gort posted:The Starmer Plan is to be as unobtrusive as possible until the election, at which point the tories will hopefully have hosed up enough for him to win on a "Not the tories" ticket. It was also the Milliband Plan. Sounds far too radical, I think it's more likely to be 'you had your ten years, it's our turn now'.
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gh0stpinballa posted:so the white collar and parasite classes get to work from the comfort of their homes and the rest of us get face masks and the threat of destitution if we don't serve them. cool. Get to *buy* facemasks. Can't disrupt the free market!
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Barry Foster posted:I actually had a bunch of surgical masks from ages ago from when I used to ride the National Express once a week, which would make me sick literally every single time You're only going indoors once every ten days!? Christ man you're meant to be inside most of the time!
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