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Hammerite posted:I don't understand what you're saying here either (why would increasing the amount of tuition students receive result in a lowered graduation rate?) but the conversation has moved on and it was tenuously relevant anyway, so never mind. You raise tuition to bring in more money, but higher costs mean fewer students can afford it, and enrollment drops. So you lower the admission barriers to bring in more students and get back up to the old enrollment numbers. Now the more lax admission process means you have dumber students, and they don't do as well in classes. At least that's what I think Dumb Lowtax's point was.
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To drag this even further out with an anecdotal pro-tip. Do not copy your logic programming project assignments verbatim from older example projects that are circulating. The author of said code might actually be the TA by now. It was especially awkward/hilarious given that a) our programming projects are defended in an oral exam and b) the code's test facts database was the extended family tree of said TA.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Now the more lax admission process means you have dumber students, and they don't do as well in classes. Just fail the bads, fail them hard enough that makes them look for a better suited career path. How well someone does in HS is not a good metric for how well someone is suited to some professions. Especially in CS. At least for maths and sciences you know wtf you're getting into. Make the tuition into the 10bux to get on a dead comedy forum. Honest question, is failing students even a thing in the US? I do not mean fail a class, but fail the educational path they're taking. All the incentives seem to be stacked to keeping them roped in as long as possible. What is stopping colleges from rewarding with a degree anyone who just pays long enough. A degree that is the driver's license to a professional career. A career they will back up into another car the first time they're allowed behind the wheel. Coming from a socialist heaven europistan country, our pre-Bologna accord university system (in which EU countries all took the anglo-saxon BA/MA system with credits) had a relatively high failure rate in the first year or two of an education. We do not use any admissions process, except for certain professions. Passing the first year or two were essentially the admissions process. Failing enough classes would basically force you to redo the year, and most see it as a 'this is not for you buddy' and drop out. (comp-sci in my first uni year had about 50/50 dropout rate) I suppose that might sound cruel, but tuition is heavily subsidized still. It's currently only about 500bux for a middle class HS graduate to enter university here.
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Nah people still fail. Most major classes only count towards the degree if you get a C or better; most people who fail a class a time or two will change degrees. It's possible to just keep plugging at it until you get it, but that doesn't really scale well.
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May 10, 2020 22:28
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You raise tuition to bring in more money, but higher costs mean fewer students can afford it, and enrollment drops. ??? Why would increasing the amount of tuition students get affect how much money you bring in? It would affect outgoings, not income, and it would lose you money not gain it. more falafel please posted:The more tuition costs, the more students will decide they can't afford it when they have some kind of financial hardship I thought the hypothetical was just to increase tuition, which does not necessarily entail charging more for it. possibly that is naive I suppose.
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May 10, 2020 22:43
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Some universities also prohibit you from taking an in major class more than a couple times, too, which means if you fail too many times you can't get credit.
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May 10, 2020 22:43
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Yup. Over here in EE if you fail a mandatory course for the second time, you are out. But also tuition is free, as god intended. 
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May 10, 2020 22:55
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Hammerite posted:??? Why would increasing the amount of tuition students get affect how much money you bring in? It would affect outgoings, not income, and it would lose you money not gain it.
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May 10, 2020 22:55
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They're talking about students "getting" tuition so folks are pretty clearly talking past one another
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May 10, 2020 23:02
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Beef posted:Honest question, is failing students even a thing in the US? This describes how a lot of schools work. It's very easy to fail out of flagship state universities and the like, but if you have money (or can borrow it), someone will give you a degree.
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May 10, 2020 23:15
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You also start losing federal aid(including loans) if you are failing too many classes or take too long.
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Beef posted:Just fail the bads, fail them hard enough that makes them look for a better suited career path. How well someone does in HS is not a good metric for how well someone is suited to some professions. Especially in CS. At least for maths and sciences you know wtf you're getting into. Make the tuition into the 10bux to get on a dead comedy forum. In the US they're called weed-out classes. The first year might be a little easy, like not much more difficult than high school because hey everyone's background is different. Then sometime in the first or second year a mandatory course will be much harder, with the expectation that a lot of people will drop out because they could handle the intro courses but not the real deal curriculum. Then it's just a fact of life that the courses are harder than the intro level Hammerite posted:??? Why would increasing the amount of tuition students get affect how much money you bring in? It would affect outgoings, not income, and it would lose you money not gain it. Tuition is the cost a student pays to attend a school. Students don't receive tuition, schools do. Increasing tuition means that the school is charging more for attendance
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ultrafilter posted:This describes how a lot of schools work. It's very easy to fail out of flagship state universities and the like, but if you have money (or can borrow it), someone will give you a degree. Can you just go to another university and study the same major again after you fail? In Germany, failing an exam two or three times (depending on the course) means you cannot enroll for another program that requires a course that is substantially similar to the one you failed in all of Germany. And while we have required homework for technical subject they aren't counting for your final grade and doing them will just allow you to participate in the final exam. Having the grade depend solely on a single exam makes it easier to curtail cheating, but makes your participation during the semester almost meaningless, which sucks.
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May 11, 2020 00:29
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MrMoo posted:Right-click menus are an OS failing, they create a new event loop to process input events and thus the main thread stops and thus media playback and networking all freeze I find it quite infuriating that in 2020 single-threaded UIs are still all there is. BeOS did it better twenty loving years ago. (You could have as many event loops as you wanted, each running on a separate thread; every window had at least one. On the OS side every window had another thread generating events and servicing drawing calls.)
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Eezee posted:Can you just go to another university and study the same major again after you fail? In Germany, failing an exam two or three times (depending on the course) means you cannot enroll for another program that requires a course that is substantially similar to the one you failed in all of Germany. You'd have to be admitted to another school. Since there's no nationwide standard you might find one that takes you, but having really bad grades from one school is going to hurt you most places you'd want to go. quote:And while we have required homework for technical subject they aren't counting for your final grade and doing them will just allow you to participate in the final exam. Having the grade depend solely on a single exam makes it easier to curtail cheating, but makes your participation during the semester almost meaningless, which sucks. You can't do that in American schools. The administration and the students would both be extremely unhappy.
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ultrafilter posted:You can't do that in American schools. The administration and the students would both be extremely unhappy. ? I went to an American school and I had a class where doing the homework was mandatory but not graded and our grade was entirely the midterm and final.
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Plorkyeran posted:? So what made the homework mandatory then?
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Plorkyeran posted:? A midterm and a final is very different from just a final.
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Zopotantor posted:I find it quite infuriating that in 2020 single-threaded UIs are still all there is. BeOS did it better twenty loving years ago. It's been a minute since I did native Windows client-side development, but how is this substantially different from what Windows does? Every process gets its own event loop, and if you really want to, you can run event loops on a per-window basis by just standing up a thread per window. If you're going to spend more than a couple of milliseconds handling a given event, then you kick it onto a separate thread, keep running through events in your main loop, and let the worker raise its own event when it's done. A "single-threaded UI" doesn't really exist at the system level - if one process throws an infinite loop into some event handler, nothing else on the system needs to care, as long as that process hasn't locked some global resource. Sure, bad devs can block their application's UI while they do some long-running task, but the platform provides robust tooling to sidestep that problem. Managing multiple threads, each with its own event handling loop on the same window, sounds like it'd be a royal pain in terms of concurrency problems for limited benefit.
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QuarkJets posted:Tuition is the cost a student pays to attend a school. Students don't receive tuition, schools do. Increasing tuition means that the school is charging more for attendance Oh, well that's stupid  Maybe I'm dense but wouldn't it make more sense to say "tuition fees" if that's what you mean
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Hammerite posted:Oh, well that's stupid They do call it "tuition fees". It gets shortened to "tuition" in general conversation because there's nothing else it could possibly be referring to.
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May 11, 2020 06:35
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hello from the cool hacker page 
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Jabor posted:They do call it "tuition fees". It's not unusual in (parts of ) Europe for you to 1) not pay anything to the school and 2) the government giving you money for studying.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You raise tuition to bring in more money, but higher costs mean fewer students can afford it, and enrollment drops. Yes, thanks Doc Hawkins posted:hello from the cool hacker page
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Sad that not everyone abroad knows about the crushing cost of education in United States, or that it costs money at all  Wasn't student debt one of the biggest things in the media whenever Bernie made the news?I have $160,000 in debt for a degree, which was even from a public school. Schools can charge whatever they want, and students will still take a loan for that amount because they're told it's the next step on their career path. If your path takes a while or gets delayed, you potentially end up with amounts of debt as big as mine. It's a classic sunk cost scam. It burdened tens of millions of workers in this country, adding up to 1 trillion dollars in outstanding student debt.
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Most of world: tuition is where knowledge flows from tutor to student : tuition is where money flows from student to school
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Loezi posted:It's not unusual in (parts of ) Europe for you to 1) not pay anything to the school and 2) the government giving you money for studying. Yes, but I don’t think it’s ever called a “tuition” (which is not a common word in English to begin with, and is basically only used in a few fixed ways). In English it would be called something like a “stipend”.
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I left a static analysis tool running on a project over the weekend and it still isn't finished generating the output listing the results. The best codebase
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Static analysis tools are really slow even if there is nothing to output. 
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It finished doing the analysis on Friday evening, generating the formatted output is what's taking so long 
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Sad that not everyone abroad knows about the crushing cost of education in United States, or that it costs money at all It's ok though, it's no longer dischargeable through bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness basically doesn't exist in reality through totally not at all malicious compliance failures.
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Spatial posted:It finished doing the analysis on Friday evening, generating the formatted output is what's taking so long In that case 
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Volmarias posted:So what made the homework mandatory then? You were dropped from the class if you didn't do it. Checking the homework each day was done by a bored TA who spent maybe 30 seconds per student verifying that it resembled an attempt at completing the assigned problems so you could pretty trivially copy it from another student or half-rear end it if you wanted.
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Is the data and/or markup XML-based?
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Getting in on the l337 page.
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Truly, it is the most kickin' rad of pages.
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Vanadium posted:Every time I am reminded of Chrome declining to respect autocomplete="off" I get a headache but I also feel blessed that I just work on backend kinda things. Eh, abuse something and have it taken from you. It still honors it on pages that don't match its login regex or its address regex.
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a childhood friend unironically shared this on fb
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Dumb Lowtax posted:a childhood friend unironically shared this on fb you shouldn't be friends with homestucks
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Dumb Lowtax posted:a childhood friend unironically shared this on fb Perfect landing, right on the 1337 page.
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