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May 13, 2020 15:44
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it all depends on how much crashworthiness you are willing to sacrifice to that end, or how much money you are willing to spend. There was great visibility in my aunt's ED civic but gently caress getting in any kind of side impact in that car. 10mph and the door is gonna intrude in to your side. Ehhhhhhhh, manufacturers don't give a gently caress about designing around problems, it's literally just throw tech at it and not have to actually think about decent engineering. It's why modern cars all suck rear end and look like poo poo. KakerMix posted:Yes but can I buy a new car that doesn't look like tremendous rear end?
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May 13, 2020 15:50
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Modern cars look fine,; you're all just old.
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May 13, 2020 15:51
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KillHour posted:Modern cars look fine,; you're all just old. Mr. Apollo posted:Anyone else see the leaked 2021 S Class photos?
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May 13, 2020 15:58
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Pick a decade. I'll find an ugly example.
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May 13, 2020 16:02
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Applebees Appetizer posted:I've owned four Miatas and managed just fine I would hope that the majority of the population has not managed to run over a small child backing up during their lifetime. But people are fallible and these sort of electronics are cheap and provide quality of life improvements on top of safety improvements. So, it's pretty much a no-brainer all the way around. More importantly, any effort to standardize safety features so that they are more available to lower cost vehicles should be encouraged.
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May 13, 2020 16:04
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you can buy a NC which has zero touch screens or any of myriad cars produced that do not have touch screens I thought we were talking about new cars tho? The NC is that last miata I would buy anyway, I'd get another NA or an NB before I ever went that route [e] Also screens in Jeep Wranglers just seem wrong as well, I wonder how many will get completely ruined when people get caught in the rain with the top and doors off
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May 13, 2020 16:13
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KillHour posted:Pick a decade. I'll find an ugly example. I'd rather you find me good looking modern cars tbh...
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May 13, 2020 16:22
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I'd rather you find me good looking modern cars tbh... There was a G80 posted literally 2 pages ago.
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May 13, 2020 16:31
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The new Corollas actually look pretty good imo
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May 13, 2020 16:34
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Ror posted:Why is that screen there? Why isn't the center just redesigned to incorporate it? I guess it's to keep the lines of the dash going across the whole car for aesthetics but I can't believe so many car designers are just shrugging and sticking a tablet on top. At least some of them go down, but I know some cars only will when the car is off. Applebees Appetizer posted:It's too bad the new Miata doesn't have an option for no screen at all with something basic like a single din music/bluetooth player. Most people don't buy Miatas for the entertainment system to begin with it's not about that, leave it for the touring trim automatic cars or something.  BTW I have a current Miata and the screen is totally fine. Its out of your sightline, dim enough at night, and the physical controls are way better than the touch screen in my other car.
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May 13, 2020 16:44
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KakerMix posted:Yes but can I buy a new car that doesn't look like tremendous rear end? No! says the man in Washington...
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May 13, 2020 16:55
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KillHour posted:There was a G80 posted literally 2 pages ago. It's pretty nice but apart from the cute detail with the lights it's basically bits of every posh car from the past decade. But I appreciate the simplicity of the design, yeah. Less is definitely more and it seems some designers understand that once more. Lexus LC (grille aside) is a really nice looking car too.
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May 13, 2020 17:10
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Ehhhhhhhh, manufacturers don't give a gently caress about designing around problems, it's literally just throw tech at it and not have to actually think about decent engineering. It's why modern cars all suck rear end and look like poo poo. truly stupid take
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May 13, 2020 17:13
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TheGoatTrick posted:You could do this, but then you'd lose all of the settings that are controlled through the screen. Holy crap that's awesome. Is there a kit for it or is that a DIY job someone did?
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May 13, 2020 17:13
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extreme lol at you and the other idiots who want to do that and then slap another screen on top of the dashboard, yeah that looks perfect
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May 13, 2020 17:14
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TheGoatTrick posted:Here's Mazda's explanation of why the screen looks the way it does (skip to 3:05): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTMRzYKIgrA Jesus, that was a long time ago. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:extreme lol at you and the other idiots who want to do that and then slap another screen on top of the dashboard, yeah that looks perfect
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May 13, 2020 17:14
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Q_res posted:Except the screen in a Miata isn't even touch if you're going more than 5 mph. I am so into what Mazda is doing, and so sick of what the Germans are doing, that if I had to replace my S4 with a 2020 car, I'd probably replace it with a CX-5 and then put the savings over a luxury car into a Miata.
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May 13, 2020 17:20
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:extreme lol at you and the other idiots who want to do that and then slap another screen on top of the dashboard, yeah that looks perfect I wouldn't put a drat GPS on it like that guy did, but thanks for calling me an idiot because you don't like what I like. This is all just pointless squabbling over dumb poo poo anyways really, who loving cares in the grand scheme of things it's just a drat discussion to pass the time to me.
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May 13, 2020 17:24
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Holy crap that's awesome. Is there a kit for it or is that a DIY job someone did?
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May 13, 2020 17:37
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I wonder if BMW every made anything interesting after the E90 M3. 
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May 13, 2020 17:41
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TheGoatTrick posted:The video I took the screenshot from is in Chinese, so I don't know if an off the shelf kit is available. But I have taken my screen out to install a backup camera and Android Auto. The screen and its controller are a single assembly (along with the plastic piece the screen is sitting on) and when you take it out, there is a lot of space in the dash to install a different system. You could actually get something like this and have a fold away screen. Interesting. I'm willing to bet there would be a market for a Miata screen elimination kit for all the minimalists out there, and it could certainly be better thought out and executed than that. The more i look at it the more it looks like the guy just kinda hacked it in there.
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May 13, 2020 17:44
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Dang son, you're out-grumping Cat Terrist today.
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May 13, 2020 18:01
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My good friend ran over and killed his infant son about 10 years ago. The family was in a rush to go somewhere and in the chaos didn't notice Charlie has crawled onto the driveway. I think his case was one of too many that lead to backup camera legislation. So yeah, I like backup cameras.
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May 13, 2020 18:10
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What's the saying, that if they invented the car today none of us would be allowed to pilot the thing? Not saying your friend was merely inept, just that yeah, safety features are good.
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May 13, 2020 18:19
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Zorak of Michigan posted:I am so into what Mazda is doing, and so sick of what the Germans are doing, that if I had to replace my S4 with a 2020 car, I'd probably replace it with a CX-5 and then put the savings over a luxury car into a Miata. I am literally doing this now. I returned my S4 lease yesterday and am testing a CX5 today because I hate what Audi is doing with their fake exuasts and dual screened gloss black interiors.
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May 13, 2020 18:26
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Zorak of Michigan posted:I am so into what Mazda is doing, and so sick of what the Germans are doing, that if I had to replace my S4 with a 2020 car, I'd probably replace it with a CX-5 and then put the savings over a luxury car into a Miata. The next Mazda 6 is rumored to be RWD with a straight 6...
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May 13, 2020 18:26
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Throatwarbler posted:I wonder if BMW every made anything interesting after the E90 M3. yes the i3
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May 13, 2020 18:27
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Didn't the base 1.5L ND Miata come without a screen? I swear that it was the base option in other markets, and it was just a control knob and a bunch of memory buttons...
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May 13, 2020 19:07
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smooth jazz posted:My good friend ran over and killed his infant son about 10 years ago. The family was in a rush to go somewhere and in the chaos didn't notice Charlie has crawled onto the driveway. gently caress, dude. I... need to go do something else for a while now.
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May 13, 2020 19:22
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KillHour posted:Modern cars look fine,; you're all just old. SOME look fine, a few even look good. I can say, for absolute certainty, that nobody ever confused a Lamborghini with a Hyundai even 10 years ago. The more I settle into to clear sight lines, analog gauges, and simple single-din stereos without screens of any kind, manual transmissions and heck even plain metal keys the more I'm kind of disgusted with what cars have become. They are better, faster, more comfortable and even technically more reliable in the short term, but I just do not like them, too detached, to un-exciting. I drove a brand new 2020 Mustang GT, it has 460 hp and is so, so fast, and I felt dead while I buried the throttle. I was pushed back in my seat, the world was wooshing by extremely quickly through the windows, the engine was making all the right noises, but it was like I wasn't there. It's a big old thing, I can't see out much at all, it's quite and detached in a way that is hard to quantify without going to thesaurus.com Yet I jump right into a 1993 SW20 MR2 with half the power and suddenly I'm excited, it feels far more dangerous, putting my foot in the floor seemingly sends electricity through my spine. Maybe I need to hop into an Ariel Atom or give up and really kill myself and jump on a sports bike because I don't like any new cars and I don't really understand why. They are better on every measurable metric yet I hate the loving things. I don't care about the new Ferrari or Porsche or Mustang or Raptor or any other 'see this one is fast too' sticker you can plop on any new car. It isn't even about the speed either, I'm pleased as heck to be plodding down the road in any number of old diesel trucks, rowing my own gears with their tractor transmissions. I'm not even an old man yet, I just turned 36!
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May 13, 2020 19:28
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I really like new cars for starting up every day, getting good fuel economy, being quiet and well behaved on the highway, having lots of decent features, clever use of space, reliability, and protecting my life and the lives of my family members in accidents. They're good appliances. I agree they are definitely less interesting, but sometimes you just gotta have something to go to the grocery store or drive 20 miles on the freeway to work or whatever. The good combo that I've settled on is something old and something new.
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May 13, 2020 19:35
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The issue you are describing has less to do with modernity of cars except where it intersects with performance. Cars are fun when you are ragging on them at the edge of performance and you absolutely cannot do that for most modern sports cars on the street. They are too capable, the limits are too high. Take a step back from the spec race and really drive the poo poo out of something that allows you to drive the poo poo out of it like a BRZ/GT86 or a GTI or a Veloster N or a Miata.
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May 13, 2020 19:39
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kimcicle posted:Didn't the base 1.5L ND Miata come without a screen? I swear that it was the base option in other markets, and it was just a control knob and a bunch of memory buttons... 
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May 13, 2020 19:51
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I really like new cars for starting up every day, getting good fuel economy, being quiet and well behaved on the highway, having lots of decent features, clever use of space, reliability, and protecting my life and the lives of my family members in accidents. They're good appliances. You're describing a Volvo wagon from like 15 years ago... (which obviously is the joke in AI)
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May 13, 2020 20:00
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i put reliability and good fuel economy in there for a reason
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May 13, 2020 20:02
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Q_res posted:I remember reading that it had to do with making it easier to change out the screen/unit for newer/larger alternatives without having to redesign the inside of the dash or the wiring or anything like that. I don't believe that for one second, since the OEMs have been doing the exact opposite with radios for decades. The '96 Taurus oval monstrosity being one of the first notorious examples. KakerMix posted:SOME look fine, a few even look good. I can say, for absolute certainty, that nobody ever confused a Lamborghini with a Hyundai even 10 years ago. I'm about 9/10s of this. Godholio fucked around with this message at 20:10 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 20:05
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Godholio posted:I don't believe that for one second, since the OEMs have been doing the exact opposite with radios for decades. The '96 Taurus oval monstrosity being one of the first notorious examples. Oh, it's not for the owner of the car's ease of changing. It's for the OEM's.
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May 13, 2020 20:19
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:truly stupid take No it really wasnt stupid at all. There really is a clear lack of engineering covered up by tech band aids. Ranted about that before and given examples (Mercedes, ,alfa Subaru hooooly poo poo am I looked at you)... Ill rant about it again in the future.
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KakerMix posted:too detached, to un-exciting. These are the things keeping you alive when you wrap it around a tree. quote:Yet I jump right into a 1993 SW20 MR2 with half the power and suddenly I'm excited, it feels far more dangerous Because it is. If you want the feeling of driving something that will kill you when you wreck it, do open wheel racing on a track. Don't pine for the days when driving on public streets gave you a hardon from tempting death.
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