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Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Bedshaped posted:

Never backed SC but a friend talked me into joining him for this free fly, despite my only exposure to the state of the game being from SA.

I also have a sub #200 citizen ID, will these dipshits revere me as some kind of god?

Only on the forums, but that is where 99% of the game is played anyway

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Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Fidelitious posted:

I will bravely say that I highly enjoyed both DA2 and Inquisition. They were both played quite a while ago and the fact that I can't remember any of these downsides but I certainly do remember playing them for long sessions and having a good time seems to speak well of them.

Looking forward to the next one for sure.

Dragon age had it’s rough edges, but it was well-realized and not terribly written.

Dragon age 2 removed a lot of RPG elements and turned into an action rpg that threw three waves of enemy at you during each encounter and dropped the open-world. It was rushed and it showed.

Inquisition went to full open world and set pieces that created a better world feel, but made it slightly more sterile. I really enjoyed the dragon hunts, and the story was fun, although Josephine should have been slightly less evil. Also Bull’s loyalty mission was farcical. You can tell they wanted a grand event, and you end up being slightly threatening to a ship.

I enjoyed all three, but DA2 I regret buying.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:


I'm amazed it has taken this long.

The most epic failure would be their customer DB to be leaked instead of being sold.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

Colostomy Bag posted:

I'm amazed it has taken this long.

The most epic failure would be their customer DB to be leaked instead of being sold.

quote:

The potential scam messages are coming from RSI's official Mailchimp. CIG uses Mailchimp - an email campaign marketing provider based in Atlanta. I checked some official emails I've received from them to verify this.
an interesting read on reddit about the phishing attack

quote:

First, the headers for the email do reveal that it did indeed come from mailchimp. Everything on that end does check out.

Second, the link in the email points to https://robertsspaceindustries.us5.list-manage.com/profile/send-email. robertsspaceindustries.us5.list-manage.com is also used for their official campaign emails - checking my email from them for the Month of Mayhem message checks out, all the links go to this subdomain (albeit a different page on it) before redirecting to the official site. This did come from their mc account.

This also isn't just a static page that returns entered information, it is fetched from their server using three parameters - u, e, and token - and sending various POST requests returns 404s when u and e aren't the exact matches, while token just gives an error. This is a pretty involved setup for a scam/spam attempt. There's nothing of note in the page or page source, besides an obfuscated js script that is probably totally meaningless (https://robertsspaceindustries.us5.list-manage.com/static/5ec272b3e3f161d4b23c7e711631821). The page is also constructed from a generic template that provides definitions in its scripts for a phone and address input field among other things, even though it doesn't have them. The source is available here both pre and post form posting: https://pastebin.com/qT57vZsb

My conclusions are that it could be either of the following situations:

  • A scammer has gained access to the CIG mailchimp accounts and is using it. This is incredibly concerning and dangerous; we could have a much bigger situation on our hands than just a spam email if this is the case.

  • This is just some ancient official page from a few years ago that's been collecting dust, and through some means (a link shared somewhere or similar) this user was sent an email to it. This is more likely than an attack on the MC account. CIG employee didn't recognize it and gave the safe reply that it's spam.
While the second option - a harmless accident - is vastly more likely, I'd be very cautious about this, and personally distrust emails from CIG until CIG clears this up since the employee contacted originally did denote this as a scam (at least out of caution).

Can we get any word from some employees from CIG on this? I'm considering giving Mailchimp a call.

Sanya Juutilainen
Jun 19, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Scruffpuff posted:

Hell, in some cases the pathological focus on it has replaced gameplay as a top gaming concern. I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a puddle reflection is shimmering properly based on wind velocity, although there are some who are. If that's what's grabbing your attention in an active war zone you probably deserve the bullet the sniper is lining up.

This part caught my attention, and I'd say there's a reason to it. It's because more and more people don't take games as a means to play the game. They take it as a means to watch the game - on Twitch, YouTube, etc. And when you're watching, not playing, you can focus on meaningless minutae, like a puddle reflection (and then complain about them on forums).

In a way, streaming games is peak CRoberts experience.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Scruffpuff posted:

I think there's some nerd-effect going on as well, where we spaz out over the technical achievement without actually realizing that the point of graphical processing was to send images to our retinas so we could see something. If your eyes can't tell the difference - hell, there might not even be a difference on the screen itself, even at highest resolution - then rendering 10x as many polygons or whatever we're talking about had no net effect at all. This isn't Atari 2600 days, and there are clear advances from the original Tomb Raider to what that demo showed, but how much better is it likely to get? At some point we'll need 15000K monitors and a microscope to realize the woman's eyelash has a dust mite on it. There comes a point, which I'd argue we've already reached, where the visual quality has saturated our ability to process it reasonably, and we long ago passed the part where it improves the gameplay.

I don't know about you guys but while that demo and tech do mention a gazillion of sub-pixel triangles and so (because big numbers sell) it's clear to me that it's main focus is not visual quality but time & effort saving.

I think we can safely assume that -when using their tech- you'll tell it the amount of resources you're willing to use for it, so that it can then auto-calculate the LOD automatically. That means that the developers will be able to more easily set aside resources for gameplay reasons. Now developers with limited resources or experience will have more time and processing resources to concentrate on the gameplay, so the tech will improve it indirectly.

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

Hav posted:

Dragon age had it’s rough edges, but it was well-realized and not terribly written.

Dragon age 2 removed a lot of RPG elements and turned into an action rpg that threw three waves of enemy at you during each encounter and dropped the open-world. It was rushed and it showed.

Inquisition went to full open world and set pieces that created a better world feel, but made it slightly more sterile. I really enjoyed the dragon hunts, and the story was fun, although Josephine should have been slightly less evil. Also Bull’s loyalty mission was farcical. You can tell they wanted a grand event, and you end up being slightly threatening to a ship.

I enjoyed all three, but DA2 I regret buying.

Inquisition got a bad rap from some of the OG hardcore BioWare fans, but I thought it was really good. I liked the choice of going to a series of small open worlds that were all very different from each other. I also enjoyed the mix between real time and turn based combat.

The story was good but needed a little more fleshing out, and a few more choices here and there. They always tease the idea that the titular Inquisition is teetering between being a force for good and becoming an army of power hungry zealots, but they never really let you explore that.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
The baddie of Inquisition was also a complete waste of a concept.

thebacil
Jan 31, 2019

trucutru posted:

I don't know about you guys but while that demo and tech do mention a gazillion of sub-pixel triangles and so (because big numbers sell) it's clear to me that it's main focus is not visual quality but time & effort saving.

I think we can safely assume that -when using their tech- you'll tell it the amount of resources you're willing to use for it, so that it can then auto-calculate the LOD automatically. That means that the developers will be able to more easily set aside resources for gameplay reasons. Now developers with limited resources or experience will have more time and processing resources to concentrate on the gameplay, so the tech will improve it indirectly.

Yeah that seems evident, there is already 3rd party software that can do some of this work, im curious about the implementation however. So far my experience with these types of automated workflows (primarily for real time archiviz asset creation) has been disappointing, at least for UE4, but they have been improving rapidly. I really hope this is as revolutionary as it looks. It'll make authoring high rez assets a breeze.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

colonelwest posted:

Yeah just say that you’re in for over $20k and you bought an Idris for each member of your family.

Then they might allow you to make an extremely mild criticism of the game.

We'll need to know the level of severity we can complain at and the monetary investment required.

Obviously we know we cannot criticize anything about gameplay decisions or content no matter how much we invest.

Does $20k allow me to discuss color choices?

How much allows me to discuss whether or not I feel a bathroom is fully fidelitized?

Can I talk about the fine print I noticed on a random bottle of clutter in the environment?

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

Gort posted:

The baddie of Inquisition was also a complete waste of a concept.

Yeah the setup was really good but it mostly just fizzled out into “we have to stop Sauron 2.0”.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable
I'm personally holding out for Sauron 3.0. That's where the orc pipelines really kick in and we see Middle Earth start to become fully realized into Full Earth. It will be massive cities and you can walk into the houses of the halflings and help them cook their totally unique egg meal.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable
Thanks to Persistence 10.5 I can also move a fork from one house to another house, and that NPC will be upset at the other NPC for stealing his technoware and start a small family feud with them. If I come back after 6 months, there will be a full on family war complete with Romeo and Juliet trying to just make love against their families wishes.

And it's all because of what I did thanks to the lifelike Meshing People AI 4.7.8 that Chris Roberts struggled to develop for us ungrateful backers while simultaneously fighting off fake news stories and re-engineering the rendering engine to beat Unreal 5 hands down easy.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

trucutru posted:

I don't know about you guys but while that demo and tech do mention a gazillion of sub-pixel triangles and so (because big numbers sell) it's clear to me that it's main focus is not visual quality but time & effort saving.

I think we can safely assume that -when using their tech- you'll tell it the amount of resources you're willing to use for it, so that it can then auto-calculate the LOD automatically. That means that the developers will be able to more easily set aside resources for gameplay reasons. Now developers with limited resources or experience will have more time and processing resources to concentrate on the gameplay, so the tech will improve it indirectly.

Agreed. I hope my post didn't come across as derogatory toward the advancements - I'm as impressed as everyone else. I just think a handful of people only see it as graphical advancement, but, as you pointed out, that kind of insane number crunching releases time and resources to other tasks. A good example was the lighting - lighting takes an insane amount of time and effort to get just right, and in that demo, there were some incredible demonstrations about how the lightsources pretty much take care of themselves now, particularly during the cave-in where the light from the sun suddenly had an aperture to stream in through. Just incredible.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


colonelwest posted:

Yeah the setup was really good but it mostly just fizzled out into “we have to stop Sauron 2.0”.

I was also perplexed at the fact that I spent 20 hours wandering around my castle talking to people in my underwear.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
Non-Star Citizen commentary: I picked up Surviving Mars and it's a very cool little game, and I'm glad I got it, but it has the exact problem I feared - prick colonists loving up all my well-laid plans. Meteor storms have nothing on little bitch colonists who wanted to come to Mars in the first place bitching that I don't have enough Gamestops under the domes or that the grocer isn't open at 2:00 am.

Not to mention them getting old or having kids and now all the specialists I sent down are being replaced by people with no skills.

So gently caress them - I'm letting them die until I can eventually come around to building enough infrastructure to keep these assholes more or less quiet.

The game has this interesting tug of war where you have to get colonists down to get rare metals before you go broke, but from what I've read at endgame you have the tech and resources to keep them all happy, it's that middle section I'm stuck in now where it's touch and go.

I only wish Chris had made this game so I could go into the domes in first person and witness the subsumption AI as a couple has an argument about their space dildos not performing to specification and writing petitions to earth to ship a brand that they prefer due to advertising they saw from a space news van piloted by a guy who used to be a smuggler but had his arm injured falling off a bicycle then getting divorced from his wife to whom his marriage was a secret until suddenly it wasn't.

HorseBodyInspector
Dec 14, 2018
I have to admit I liked DA2 too. Yes rpg elements were simplier, but not every rpg had to be hardcore. And story was quite good, no world saving, just climbing from slums to kirkwall elite. Except ending.
I really missed option "you deserver each other assholes"

DA3 was too much open world, but Tresspasser DLC is epic, and hyped me to DA4.


and now about star citizen:

I dont know if you looked on spectrum but CIG explanation on 30k is something:

quote:

To put things simply with regards to the title of your thread, here are some examples of things that cause both crashes and disconnections that are outside of our control ( this is not an exhaustive list): Crashes and disconnections can be caused by things outside of our control. Crashes,: faulty hardware, resource conflicts between multiple programs on a computer, not enough resources ( for example not enough ram or having too many browser tabs open while playing the game), outdated drivers, corrupted game files Disconnections: bad network connectivity, outdated drivers, corrupted game files, running a computer using a wireless connection while near a microwave that is using the same frequency as the wireless signal, or my personal favorite being that having an internet connection near copper pipes

Given the examples above, the answer is no. Because there will always be things that can crash the game that are outside of our control and not all 30k issues are server crashes. However, before we release a patch, we do keep track of how frequently players are encountering disconnections and aim to get them below a certain level of frequency before releasing a patch to our players. Encountering a 30k every five minutes it much higher than the typically rate that we see players encounter this error so there is a chance that something that one of your friends is doing might be causing the issue. If you ever happen to find reproduction steps for an issue like this, please feel free to send them to us.


I cannot imagine which self respecting IT pro could write such reply to paying customer. I didt see such big "STFU idiot" response ever.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010






:reddit::

Dementropy fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 15, 2020

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Meanwhile I am playing known super-fidelitious hyper-action game Return of the Obra Dinn and having a blast. Riven broke me temporarily but I'll be back stronger than ever.

1-bit graphics baby!

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Hav posted:

I think you guys should take a step back and see the big picture, it's still the case that people want a high fidelity space game, and I doubt that 3030 Deathwar, Ascent - The Space Game, Elite Dangerous, Endless Sky, Evochron Legacy, No Man's Sky, Rebel Galaxy, Space Engineers, Starfunk, Starpoint Gemini, X Rebirth, X Rebirth VR Edition and X4: Foundations have managed to scratch that itch.

Even with Rekt Galaxies, Endless Space 2, Everspace, Heat Signature, CDF Starfighter, Children of a Dead Earth, Eve: Valkyrie, House of the Dying Sun, Istrolid, Sublevel Zero, Void Destroyer, StarMade, Strike Suit Zero, Diaspora: Shattered Armistice, SOL: Exodus and Star Conflict being in roughly the same marketplace.

Should we count Starsector (alpha version) 0.9.1a-RC8 in that list, too?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

As much as we like to take dumps on CIG, this looks like your typical run of the mill corporate incompetence where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

This is not special to CIG.

AngusPodgorny
Jun 3, 2004

Please to be restful, it is only a puffin that has from the puffin place outbroken.

HorseBodyInspector posted:

I cannot imagine which self respecting IT pro could write such reply to paying customer. I didt see such big "STFU idiot" response ever.
Why waste time writing code to fail gracefully if you run out of memory or have a dropped network connection? Back when I was a developer probably half the code I wrote dealt with making sure nothing went wrong, so I would have been twice as productive if I'd just declared that anything that went wrong was someone else's problem.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Agony Aunt posted:

As much as we like to take dumps on CIG, this looks like your typical run of the mill corporate incompetence where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

This is not special to CIG.

That is CIG

Trilobite
Aug 15, 2001

Fidelitious posted:

I will bravely say that I highly enjoyed both DA2 and Inquisition. They were both played quite a while ago and the fact that I can't remember any of these downsides but I certainly do remember playing them for long sessions and having a good time seems to speak well of them.

Looking forward to the next one for sure.

I spent under five bucks on DA2, and maybe $7.50 on Inquisition, and at those prices, they were both fun. Big flaws in both (DA2's copy-paste locations, Inquisition's avalanche of bad and incredibly tedious quests), but also some big successes (DA2 characters were probably the best Bioware ever did, Inquisition had a few 'Oh, that's cool' moments).

My conclusion is that the secret to really enjoying a Dragon Age game is to wait until it costs less than a bad lunch.

commando in tophat
Sep 5, 2019

Trilobite posted:

I spent under five bucks on DA2, and maybe $7.50 on Inquisition, and at those prices, they were both fun. Big flaws in both (DA2's copy-paste locations, Inquisition's avalanche of bad and incredibly tedious quests), but also some big successes (DA2 characters were probably the best Bioware ever did, Inquisition had a few 'Oh, that's cool' moments).

My conclusion is that the secret to really enjoying a Dragon Age game is to wait until it costs less than a bad lunch.

So... you're not buying Idris?

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

Scruffpuff posted:

Agreed. I hope my post didn't come across as derogatory toward the advancements - I'm as impressed as everyone else. I just think a handful of people only see it as graphical advancement, but, as you pointed out, that kind of insane number crunching releases time and resources to other tasks. A good example was the lighting - lighting takes an insane amount of time and effort to get just right, and in that demo, there were some incredible demonstrations about how the lightsources pretty much take care of themselves now, particularly during the cave-in where the light from the sun suddenly had an aperture to stream in through. Just incredible.

In their demo, they only ever had one main light source at a time right .... Chris internet spaceships have lots of lights in them.

Asema
Oct 2, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
are women in the game yet

edit; lose translation on the part of 'game' here

bbchops
Jul 26, 2001

Ho ho ho! I'll have the same again!
Nap Ghost

AngusPodgorny posted:

Why waste time writing code to fail gracefully if you run out of memory or have a dropped network connection? Back when I was a developer probably half the code I wrote dealt with making sure nothing went wrong, so I would have been twice as productive if I'd just declared that anything that went wrong was someone else's problem.

Fortunately, the network is reliable.

Dr. Honked
Jan 9, 2011

eat it you slaaaaaaag
Keep away from the copper pipes otherwise your house might suddenly switch to the wrong physics domain and blow away on the wind

BumbleOne
Jul 1, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

The Titanic posted:

I'm personally holding out for Sauron 3.0. That's where the orc pipelines really kick in and we see Middle Earth start to become fully realized into Full Earth. It will be massive cities and you can walk into the houses of the halflings and help them cook their totally unique egg meal.

are we even all on the same page anymore??
me personally, i know cig will knock it out of the park with the hong-kong-97-big-rigs-over-the-bartender-subsumption-module

it will be like sooooo awesome! you will not want to stop playing. all our dreams will come true

thats why you all should buy an idris now

BumbleOne fucked around with this message at 20:11 on May 15, 2020

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

HorseBodyInspector posted:

I have to admit I liked DA2 too. Yes rpg elements were simplier, but not every rpg had to be hardcore. And story was quite good, no world saving, just climbing from slums to kirkwall elite. Except ending.
I really missed option "you deserver each other assholes"

DA3 was too much open world, but Tresspasser DLC is epic, and hyped me to DA4.


and now about star citizen:

I dont know if you looked on spectrum but CIG explanation on 30k is something:



I cannot imagine which self respecting IT pro could write such reply to paying customer. I didt see such big "STFU idiot" response ever.

:lol:

That’s great. “You all have poo poo tier computers and unreliable internet, there’s nothing wrong with our broken CryEngine mod.”

They really give no fucks anymore, and it’s great to see them openly show the contempt for their backers that they have always had.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Copper pipes have long plagued every other multiplayer game. It's accepted that you'll get disconnected every 15 minutes, this is not a CIG problem.

Bubbacub
Apr 17, 2001

Incitatus posted:

Can't wait for CI(G) to announce their partnership with Doobie's.

Merry christmas kids, you don't get any gifts because your goon dad decided to spend the family's money on an Idris, it's for a good cause

Squiddite
Apr 15, 2001
Loligo vos omnes odet.
switching all my plumbing to lead pipes so that i can fully embrace star citizen

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

Fucken neighbours and their microwaves costing me all my wins at the games!?!

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


excuse me while i line the walls of my star citizen immersion room with lead and remove my hot pocket preparation machine

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
loving :lol: @ copper pipes. Yeah, that's why Star Citizen, and only Star Citizen, is crashing every time you try to play. A lot of plumbers getting some good business soon. I want to read at least one story where a backer is getting disconnected constantly and pays a plumber to move his pipes.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
"Hello, CIG? Yes, I'm getting disconnected constantly. Yes, I realize it's my fault. I've removed all my copper pipes, and I also wiped out all my protected folder permissions and I'm running as admin at all times. Yes, I've also got a dedicated power supply directly to my local power company, and the same for my local internet provider. It's costing me about $34,000 a month, but it's worth it to see my spaceman bend over and open his jaw near a hot dog. Can you help me with this problem? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply there was a problem. I'm so sorry - please don't hang up. Are you sure it's nothing on your side..."

"Hello? Hello? Oh my god, what have I done, what have I done, oh my god..."

*gunshot*

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
I'm trying to post but am near some copper pipes so sorry is this message does not get thr

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Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
Silly rabbit, use PVC for PVP!

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