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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

DrSunshine posted:

Well... I mean yes and no. Like, look at the Democrats in Virginia. They've accomplished so much more in terms of implementing progressive, worker-friendly change than the ones here.

Arguably due to a lot of grassroots action to make that policy happen.

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
So apparently Newsom has proposed a 10% pay cut for state employees starting July. :sigh:

I understand California's budget got turbofucked by COVID-19 and unlike the Fed we can't just magic money into existence to make up for it, but it still loving sucks and I wish they could find a way to keep employees properly paid at a time when they need it most.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Yup. loving sucks. Is this going to be furlough days per month?

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Almost certainly. My union gave a heads up on it this morning.

Also you're losing whatever raise you were promised in July on top of the cut.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Goodpancakes posted:

Yup. loving sucks. Is this going to be furlough days per month?

That's what SEIU Local 1000 assumes but they're going to try to negotiate:

quote:

Newsom is also proposing a 10% pay cut for all state workers starting July 1. The governor’s goal is to collectively bargain this cut with state workers, but if not successful, he will implement furloughs instead... SEIU Local 1000 President Yvonne Walker said the union will try to negotiate.

"So, here's our choice. We can choose to say, 'OK, we'll take the 10%. Do whatever you want.' I will tell you exactly what it will be: It'll be two furlough days. Or, we can call the bargaining team together and we can figure out the equivalent of what that 10% represents and try to negotiate something that, yeah, there might be a little pain involved, but it won't be the same two furlough days and how you think about it."

ClothHat
Mar 2, 2005

ASK ME ABOUT MY LOVE OF THE LUMPEN-GOBLITARIAT
protip: trust no links I post

Sydin posted:

So apparently Newsom has proposed a 10% pay cut for state employees starting July. :sigh:

I understand California's budget got turbofucked by COVID-19 and unlike the Fed we can't just magic money into existence to make up for it, but it still loving sucks and I wish they could find a way to keep employees properly paid at a time when they need it most.

I'm in a stakeholders conference call about this with the Health and Human Services Secretary right now. This is loving grim, and there's a discussion right now about the cuts to CBAS and IHSS. Two services that provide a lot of day services and home care services for seniors and developmentally disabled people. It's insane to cut those services because then you DIRECTLY end up with more people in skilled nursing facilities which is a hideous idea in the middle of a pandemic.

Gangringo
Jul 22, 2007

In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one sat.

He chose the path of perpetual contentment.

My union is proposing golden handshake retirements to save payroll. The problem is my agency already has a lot of old workers, and a lack of new people to replace them. If this increases the rate of retirement, we're going to be even more screwed.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
we could tax the rich and corporations an amount that maintains previous service levels as of january of this year, but I guess that’s socialism and therefore not realistic so best be responsible in retreat

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Yeah the state should issue bonds, and market them to everyone in a similar vein to war bonds.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Centrist Committee posted:

we could tax the rich and corporations an amount that maintains previous service levels as of january of this year, but I guess that’s socialism and therefore not realistic so best be responsible in retreat
So just curious how much would a repeal of the Business Only parts of Prop13 offset the deficit?

I like how Newsom poo poo-talked Trump without talking poo poo, too.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

FilthyImp posted:

So just curious how much would a repeal of the Business Only parts of Prop13 offset the deficit?

I like how Newsom poo poo-talked Trump without talking poo poo, too.

The new proposition repealing Prop 13 for commercial and industrial properties would raise up to $12 billion, according to this article.

The website for the Schools and Communities First program which made the proposal also states $12 billion.

However, the California Assessors Association claims it would cost counties $470 million to hire new assessors. Also, there would be a cost from legal appeals made by owners of these properties.

E: the full name of the proposition is California Tax on Commercial and Industrial Properties for Education and Local Government Funding Initiative (2020).

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 00:25 on May 15, 2020

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010
So is July the date for the rest of the trigger as well?

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


So why do I want the 10% pay cut and work the same amount vs just talking the two furlough days?

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:

So is July the date for the rest of the trigger as well?

Quite possible. My union's MOU runs out July 1, after which CalHR is free to do as they please if there's no contract.

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




I'm so glad I got out of academia. There's no way we are getting through a budget crisis this big without absolutely gutting the UCs, both in research and in academics. I'd be looking for my second postdoc this year and probably panicking at incoming hiring freezes as department budgets get cratered.

Condolences to everyone in this thread that's gonna be affected by this.

E: sorry for the gloomposting, I usually try not to just post predictions of problems that haven't happened yet. But I'm getting major 2008 flashbacks here, and that was awful for the UCs, so I really hope we can make it through this without repeating those mistakes.

VikingofRock fucked around with this message at 02:08 on May 15, 2020

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Goodpancakes posted:

So why do I want the 10% pay cut and work the same amount vs just talking the two furlough days?

I assumed they were talking about negotiating so that 10% comes out of some other benefit and paychecks stay the same.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Two furlough days doesn't seem like a lot, especially if you can plan in advance for it. I can't see what benefit "tradeoff" would be worth a mere two days' pay.

xcheopis
Jul 23, 2003


Goodpancakes posted:

So why do I want the 10% pay cut and work the same amount vs just talking the two furlough days?

Find out if furlough days affect your benefits; pto, insurance, etc. It's fairly common for benefits to be pro-rated for non-paid time off. It can even affect pto accrual.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

xcheopis posted:

Find out if furlough days affect your benefits; pto, insurance, etc. It's fairly common for benefits to be pro-rated for non-paid time off. It can even affect pto accrual.

They didn't last time under Arnold and Jerry.

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi
General.
loving.
Strike.

Zachack
Jun 1, 2000




Tayter Swift posted:

They didn't last time under Arnold and Jerry.

Yeah, a lot of my office liked the furloughs for that reason, but my office is 95% STEM so we could absorb the hit. I'm kinda ok getting less money for less work if it doesn't screw with anything else, but some offices/areas get a lot more pain depending on what you do.

I'm having a hard time coming up with any benefit that I'd be ok with cutting in lieu of a paycut, though. I guess I don't need my (opt-in) ARAG benefit since I've never used it but I can't imagine that saving much and with my luck I'll finally need it.

Bizarro Watt
May 30, 2010

My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.
I haven't lived in California for almost a decade, so how's that high speed rail going?

Pump Jockey
Mar 15, 2019

i believe in love

Zachack posted:

I guess I don't need my (opt-in) ARAG benefit since I've never used it but I can't imagine that saving much and with my luck I'll finally need it.

ARAG saved my rear end once, I’m never dropping that coverage willingly.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Bizarro Watt posted:

I haven't lived in California for almost a decade, so how's that high speed rail going?

its fukn ded m8

LtStorm
Aug 8, 2010

You'll pay for this, Shady Shrew!


Bizarro Watt posted:

I haven't lived in California for almost a decade, so how's that high speed rail going?

Precognitive President-Governor Newsom saved untold Californian lives thanks to the failure of this project that would have created another method of spreading the rona through public transit.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Bizarro Watt posted:

I haven't lived in California for almost a decade, so how's that high speed rail going?

Turns out acquiring rights of way is really loving expensive and slow, and even more so when you farm the whole thing out to overpriced consultants

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010
There's been a little more done than land acquisition, for example this pretty sweet bridge in Fresno.

LtStorm
Aug 8, 2010

You'll pay for this, Shady Shrew!


Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:

There's been a little more done than land acquisition, for example this pretty sweet bridge in Fresno.

Huh, so that's what that thing is. I saw it every couple of months in the Before Times. Now I thankfully haven't had to drive (from Sacramento) to Fresno since the start of the year.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
"OK Google... show me the least-believable e-mail I'll receive today."

"Processing..."

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

High speed rail isn't dead.

It's just significantly worse in scope and routes from what was originally planned/promised, for a bunch of reasons that people are happy to yell and argue about ad nauseum.

Also, as was known all along, it's underfunded. There's enough money, supposedly, to do an initial 117 mile chunk plus maybe also extend that to 171 miles, plus some projects in LA and SF areas. But we need a bunch more billions just to get the SF to LA part finished, some time more than ten years from now.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 15, 2020

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Sundae posted:

"OK Google... show me the least-believable e-mail I'll receive today."

"Processing..."



I had no power for almost 12 hours on Monday because PG&E was doing some work on a pole a few doors down and somehow completely blew the transformer. Nothing quite like having no power when it's dark out and you can't gently caress off somewhere else because of COVID.

Also according to their outage map my power went out two hours before it actually did, and it still insisted it would be resolved by 6PM up until it finally did get resolved at 1:30AM :allears:

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

The train to Vegas is still chugging along. The project is now owned by Virgin Trains USA and is supposed to start breaking ground this year.
https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/virgin-trains-usa-to-move-ahead-on-vegas-to-calif-line/46398

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
Looking online it appears the LAX-SFO air route is either the busiest or second busiest in the country according to different sources. I didn't even know that.

slicing up eyeballs
Oct 19, 2005

I got me two olives and a couple of limes


great work with the flyover, coronavirus has been solved. you loving dickheads

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


This will bring comfort to the masses by shaking their empty tables

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Leperflesh posted:

High speed rail isn't dead.

It's just significantly worse in scope and routes from what was originally planned/promised, for a bunch of reasons that people are happy to yell and argue about ad nauseum.

Also, as was known all along, it's underfunded. There's enough money, supposedly, to do an initial 117 mile chunk plus maybe also extend that to 171 miles, plus some projects in LA and SF areas. But we need a bunch more billions just to get the SF to LA part finished, some time more than ten years from now.

Honestly it seems more reasonable to me to build up and open the rail in steps to spread out the cost over time and generate revenue along the way. It would be less of a drain on the state budget, at least that's my naive intuition.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Goodpancakes posted:

This will bring comfort to the masses by shaking their empty tables

Yeah, I also wonder about the opportunity cost of spending public money on this rail vs spending on other public necessities.

One argument against:

https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/high-speed-rail-is-a-waste-of-time-and-money.html

Also yeah this has been talked about for years, why am I asking these dumb questions, all fair points I just haven't been paying attention to it.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


WOWEE ZOWEE posted:

Yeah, I also wonder about the opportunity cost of spending public money on this rail vs spending on other public necessities.

One argument against:

https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/high-speed-rail-is-a-waste-of-time-and-money.html

Also yeah this has been talked about for years, why am I asking these dumb questions, all fair points I just haven't been paying attention to it.

I think you quoted the wrong person, I was making a joke about the flyover, not high speed rail. I used to live in the Netherlands and rail owns.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

The issue with the rail is that it's not (only) to address current traffic issues. It's creating infrastructure, which is a form of economic stimulus; and, it's addressing future, projected traffic issues. Sure, it'll always be faster to fly from LAX to SFO than to take a drat train, and if the train somehow materialized complete end to end tomorrow, it'd probably also have a higher fare. But: despite the huge cost overruns, the train is still gonna be cheaper than adding runways and capacity to SFO to handle the projected increases in demand over the coming decades.

Giving places like modesto and bakersfield some infrastructure and interconnectivity may help to redirect some of the projected growth to those cities rather than just piling more and more into a totally saturated area like the SF bay. It'll hopefully help to revitalize some of those really loving depressingly lovely neighborhoods and city centers where nobody in the coastal counties ever goes voluntarily, unless they're just driving through on the way to the mountains or vegas or whatever.

This is also part of fighting climate change. Every trip that isn't by car or plane subtracts from the carbon load on the atmosphere, and a long high speed route running for decades adds up to a hell of a lot of redirected carbon. (Of course, we're partially paying for it with carbon offsets, so we're kinda borrowing against more CO2 dumped, which uhhhh, but cap and trade is a whole nother ball of wax to chew.)

So in terms of opportunity costs: really drat hard to calculate or even guesstimate, once you factor in the difference between raw infrastructure spending (and where and what kind) vs. other choices for government spending.

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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Goodpancakes posted:

I think you quoted the wrong person, I was making a joke about the flyover, not high speed rail. I used to live in the Netherlands and rail owns.

Sorry. Yeah apparently they're doing these flyovers all around the country and I don't think anybody actually cares. Yay I saw a plane fly by for 2 seconds and it was really loud.


Thanks for the overview.

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