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Tighclops posted:Words These are some serious effortposts to get to the heart of a very simple matter: your actual opinions are fine. Your schtick of *immediately posts snarky comment when somebody breathes a word about modern Star Trek* is what is old, unfunny, and unnecessary. Your complete lack of self awareness, however, is increasingly hilarious and baffling, which is why this discussion continues to gather momentum. EDIT: What a lousy snipe. Here, have a dramatic interpretation of how I imagine myself when I own the haters: https://i.imgur.com/v9YG2KO.mp4 Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 22:26 on May 15, 2020 |
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Tighclops posted:I've posted plenty of times about how much I like Anson Mount, I was honestly onboard with Picard Show for at least the first few episodes before it went completely off the rails and I've posted about the characters there that I liked and why I felt they were working, I've even talked about enjoying Beyond as a decent Trek story. I've posted *endlessly* about the kinds of stories I feel Star Trek should be telling these days(and have told in the past, I don't know how many times I've talked about Past Tense) that would genuinely make it relevant and compelling, and the kinds of ideas and principals it should at least be striving to depict. I've often pointed to other contemporary shows that do these things better, and I enjoy talking about where modern Trek has fallen pitifully (often confusingly) short because these issues are related and because the way in which this stuff is currently bad to me is more interesting than the stories/characters/setting themselves now. Before I made my second post I went back into your post history to see if I was just overselling or something and no, I'm not. Out of the last 3 pages (120 posts), you made exactly 3 that had anything positive to say about the franchise and one of those was to say you'd rather it be Transformers or something. Some of this is attributable to how this thread wanders from topic to topic, but seriously. But like, I am legitimately happy to read this because it contextualizes your loathing for the modern shows (especially Picard). We have very different standards but I won't disagree with any of these points. Like, if anything, my beef with modern Trek isn't that it's bad, it's that it just seems so confused as to what it wants to be. Say what you will about Voyager or Enterprise, but they were always pushing in a very specific direction. I'm hopeful that the soft reboot that Discovery is getting in Season 3 will improve the show's direction significantly.
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May 15, 2020 21:29
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Allamaraine!
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May 15, 2020 21:32
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Zurui posted:Before I made my second post I went back into your post history to see if I was just overselling or something and no, I'm not. Out of the last 3 pages (120 posts), you made exactly 3 that had anything positive to say about the franchise and one of those was to say you'd rather it be Transformers or something. Some of this is attributable to how this thread wanders from topic to topic, but seriously. I'm not as harsh as a lot of people but there's seriously no way Disco S3 is going to be drastically different than S1 and 2 when the arching plot is "the Federation failed." Unless it's like a Yesterday's Enterprise situation and they have to undo something but I'm not giving any of these shows credit before they air any more.
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May 15, 2020 21:34
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They keep loving it up when they try to appeal to the male fan base. The message is clear: a Star Trek show about a twee coffee shop
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May 15, 2020 21:36
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Zurui posted:Before I made my second post I went back into your post history to see if I was just overselling or something and no, I'm not. Out of the last 3 pages (120 posts), you made exactly 3 that had anything positive to say about the franchise and one of those was to say you'd rather it be Transformers or something. IIRC the thing that I posted was a pitch to that dude who occasionally posts here that actually works at Hasbro to do a Transformers line where the gimmick is that they do Star Trek things in addition to being transforming robots, which I think is cool and good? Not to make Star Trek more like Transformers, which would be bad. I can tell you're reading my posts but like - can you actually read my posts -
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May 15, 2020 21:37
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Humerus posted:I'm not as harsh as a lot of people but there's seriously no way Disco S3 is going to be drastically different than S1 and 2 when the arching plot is "the Federation failed." I'm wondering what causes the collapse of the UFP since at least according to Enterprise there is still a thriving Federation in around the 30th/31st centuries.
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May 15, 2020 21:39
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Tighclops posted:If you take issue with my making negative comments about our favourite brand, then ignore them the way you've evidently been ignoring whatever positive remarks I have about it. Uhh... Hipster_Doofus posted:It has gotten really annoying, (not to mention old af), but I don't want to ignore you because you also make posts worth reading.
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May 15, 2020 21:49
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Zurui posted:In the announcement video, Anson Mount made a clear call for SNW to be optimistic and exploration-oriented and "New Eden" was pretty much a bog standard Trek episode and definitely his best - so there is some room for hope. As much as I so very want to believe this, didnt Patrick Stewart say something vaguely similar about Picard when the show was first in its conceptual phase? I mean at least Picard tried to shoot for a message, I'll grant it that, it was just failed by bad storytelling. The underlying anti-xenophobic message of PIC season 1 is still there, but the lovely storytelling undermines it completely because it turns out the Romulans' solution to the problem was just as legitimate as Picard's was.
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May 15, 2020 21:52
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Drone posted:As much as I so very want to believe this, didnt Patrick Stewart say something vaguely similar about Picard when the show was first in its conceptual phase? IIRC, what he and Chabon kept promising was that it would be an introspective show that would be partly about xenophobia and isolationism, and that the world Picard would find himself in would be very different than the last time we saw it. Really, everything they said was trying to brace the fans for it being a "really different type of show," which must be part of why I haven't had that big of a problem with it personally, because what we got tonally kind of aligned with what I expected more or less. Of course, for a lot of people, this may have been like the Scarecrow in the going "I told you my show would take you places, I never said they'd be places you want to be."
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May 15, 2020 22:04
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Just have it be post dominion war and now all the major powers are basically friends because they've learned to work together and respect one another and have the conflicts not be war because war is boring and it sucks too
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May 15, 2020 22:06
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Episode: The gorn send a gift to the president of the federation but no one can figure out what it's supposed to be! Every major crew member has a theory. It turns out to be a super good audio system with bitchin woofers
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May 15, 2020 22:09
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Pick posted:Just have it be post dominion war and now all the major powers are basically friends because they've learned to work together and respect one another and have the conflicts not be war because war is boring and it sucks too I would be interested in Star Trek: friendship is magic
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May 15, 2020 22:09
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The Bloop posted:I am in favor of this development Yeah, Anson Mount is so loving charming as Pike they'd have to try really hard to make this unwatchable. Probably won't be good, but it'll be fun. I hope they do not have a story arc and just do Trek episodes.
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May 15, 2020 22:09
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Humerus posted:I'm not as harsh as a lot of people but there's seriously no way Disco S3 is going to be drastically different than S1 and 2 when the arching plot is "the Federation failed." I dunno, the sole promo pic they've released is literally the crew holding up a tattered Federation flag in a wasteland so if that's the metaphor they're going for I'm in.  Call me an optimist; I used to watch this show as a kid that taught me that humanity can aspire to amazing things while still being deeply flawed.
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May 15, 2020 22:12
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, Anson Mount is so loving charming as Pike they'd have to try really hard to make this unwatchable. Probably won't be good, but it'll be fun. I hope they do not have a story arc and just do Trek episodes. I wish more writers would remember how to do light story arcs instead of these huge MAJOR REVEAL AROUND EVERY CORNER IT ALL COMES TO A HEAD IN THE FINAL EPISODE. DS9 and Stargate did this extremely well; they'd have two- to four-parters and sprinkle plot throughout the other episodes. I think part of my enjoyment with Picard was that, despite having major plot points hidden from the audience, I never felt like I was on a rollercoaster. I don't want Space Mountain Trek, I want Pirates of the Caribbean Trek.
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May 15, 2020 22:19
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I'm totally fine with serialized stories, I just want a variety of things to watch. That's part of why The Orville was refreshing, it was nice to see some old school episodic sci-fi again. And in Trek in particular I want a mix of serialized and not.
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May 15, 2020 22:23
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True. I want individual episodes about how Kirk is dreamy but also a longer arc that explores how dreamy he is
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May 15, 2020 22:25
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Pick posted:True. I want individual episodes about how Kirk is dreamy but also a longer arc that explores how dreamy he is Don't forget the two-parter about why he's dreamy!
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May 15, 2020 22:35
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Zurui posted:I dunno, the sole promo pic they've released is literally the crew holding up a tattered Federation flag in a wasteland so if that's the metaphor they're going for I'm in. If that's where you're coming from that's fair, but the entire premise behind S3 is giving me bad Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda flashbacks. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt but that's... harder than I thought it'd be. Also, that variation on the Federation seal annoys me. In terms of visual metaphor there's a line between unsubtle and insulting and that drat flag just tapdances right across that line. It's a really small nitpicky detail I know, but come on.
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May 15, 2020 22:40
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Maybe this means they will keep all the "Federation has lost its values" storylines quarantined in Discovery so people who want to see something else can just ignore it if they want.
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May 15, 2020 22:44
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Mal-3 posted:If that's where you're coming from that's fair, but the entire premise behind S3 is giving me bad Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda flashbacks. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt but that's... harder than I thought it'd be. I didn't even noticed they'd altered the flag; it could just be to look more ~future~ but who knows? I never watched Andromeda but from what I've gained through osmosis is was okay-ish to bad in the first season and then took a hard right turn into neoconservative awfulness in season 2. Kevin Sorbo is the original Adam Baldwin, from what I've gathered.
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Mal-3 posted:Also, that variation on the Federation seal annoys me. In terms of visual metaphor there's a line between unsubtle and insulting and that drat flag just tapdances right across that line. It's a really small nitpicky detail I know, but come on. What's wrong with replacing olive branches with scimitars?
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May 15, 2020 23:22
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The chevron predates the starfleet arrowhead by several years IIRC
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May 15, 2020 23:25
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Tighclops posted:The chevron predates the starfleet arrowhead by several years IIRC Yeah, USAF Space Command had been using it for a while. 
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May 15, 2020 23:27
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The USSF will fit right in with the space agencies of the world...
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May 15, 2020 23:39
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Mister Kingdom posted:I mentioned a while back that I'm in the middle of a Dark Shadows binge-watch and that Mitchell Ryan (who plays the first Burke Devlin) would go on the play Commander Riker's father, Kyle Riker, on TNG. Helluva catch! drat shame when Ryan gets recast though. I've fallen a bit behind in my rewatch since Amazon Prime started running commercials on Dark Shadows. Drink-Mix Man posted:IIRC, what he and Chabon kept promising was that it would be an introspective show that would be partly about xenophobia and isolationism, and that the world Picard would find himself in would be very different than the last time we saw it. Really, everything they said was trying to brace the fans for it being a "really different type of show," which must be part of why I haven't had that big of a problem with it personally, because what we got tonally kind of aligned with what I expected more or less. We've all done the Scarecrow, big deal. Zurui posted:I dunno, the sole promo pic they've released is literally the crew holding up a tattered Federation flag in a wasteland so if that's the metaphor they're going for I'm in. Star Trek: The 100 This fall on The CW.
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May 16, 2020 01:05
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Powered Descent posted:The USSF will fit right in with the space agencies of the world... And The Mole People 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u28sjSZlQnk
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May 16, 2020 01:09
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Powered Descent posted:The USSF will fit right in with the space agencies of the world... The red thing is an airplane. AN AIRPLANE. Did no one read NASA's explanation of what they drew?
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May 16, 2020 01:16
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Sash! posted:The red thing is an airplane. No one cared once they started sending people into space.
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May 16, 2020 01:46
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I lost my poo poo when it started flashing English words on the screen. DEFIANT PROPHETS FEDERATION LOGO
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May 16, 2020 01:56
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Is it ever explained how all species can understand each other, even primitive ones on first contact?
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May 16, 2020 01:58
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Is it ever explained how all species can understand each other, even primitive ones on first contact? Everyone has an implanted universal translator. dont ask how it works.
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Pick posted:Everyone has an implanted universal translator. dont ask how it works. Thank u pick Other question: is there an in-universe explanation for why pretty much every species is a humanoid biped? Like I remember that Romulans and Vulcans were the same thing, but are humans and Klingons also related? Was it like a pan-spermia Prometheus thing?
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May 16, 2020 02:20
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Yeah it's in TNG Season 6
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May 16, 2020 02:23
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah it's in TNG Season 6 Which ep?
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I recall the Cardassians and Klingons being rather pissed about that big revelation, too.Trumps Baby Hands posted:Which ep? The Chase
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The first species to ever reach sentience in the galaxy was some weird egg thing that spread their genome around millions of years ago to encourage other species to develop sentience so they wouldn't be lonely. Edit: Guess I'll add spoiler tags if you wanna watch the episode.
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