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klosterdev posted:y'all could have bought Intel phones while you had the chance to disarm a monopoly Yeah but we wanted phones that could operate on a battery for more than an hour.
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i am legitimately still annoyed with how intel bungled that effort. as comedy as it may seem i don't think the instruction set had much to do with the problems, and had they managed to do it right we'd have a phone which would have been possible to boot and run without a ton of magic incantations and binary blobs.
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May 26, 2020 06:59
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:intel ... possible to boot and run without a ton of magic incantations and binary blobs. lmao, this is hilarious.
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May 26, 2020 07:07
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The Management posted:lmao, this is hilarious. hmm? i mean, the x86 pc setup is pretty messy, but it is all publicly documented, and while the atom line caused a lot of changes they filtered into new versions of that public documentation. for drivers intel is pretty much the best around for open-sourcing their stuff to the extent possible. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 08:08 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 08:04
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:we'd have a phone which would have been possible to boot and run without a ton of magic incantations and binary blobs. https://www.apple.com/iphone/
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May 26, 2020 08:14
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i know it is not a very important thing in real life, and we're none of us really suffering because phones are entirely proprietary monoliths where in only the very best cases even the manufacturer might be able to change the software (notably neither the os vendor or device manufacturer can usually fully do that on android), but obviously the iphone is as proprietary as anything can be.
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May 26, 2020 08:18
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klosterdev posted:y'all could have bought Intel phones while you had the chance to disarm a monopoly
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May 26, 2020 16:05
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:hmm? i mean, the x86 pc setup is pretty messy, but it is all publicly documented, and while the atom line caused a lot of changes they filtered into new versions of that public documentation. lol. booting an intel chip requires a bunch of blobs from intel, which do magical things like microcode loading, ddr training, chipset configuration, and other things you aren’t allowed to know about. oh and sometimes they’ll tell you “oops, boot failed, try again” and you reset the chip and start over. you don’t see all that stuff because it lives in the boot rom and the motherboard/chipset vendor does that for you.
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May 26, 2020 16:46
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what's the system RMS uses because it has a "free" cpu? give OP one of those
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May 26, 2020 16:49
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alternatively, one of these
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infernal machines posted:what's the system RMS uses because it has a "free" cpu? every time I see his name I have a sensible chuckle about his secret horny business cards that he gave to women
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infernal machines posted:what's the system RMS uses because it has a "free" cpu? thinkpad t400 with some free bios thing on it.
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May 26, 2020 17:06
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The Management posted:lol. booting an intel chip requires a bunch of blobs from intel, which do magical things like microcode loading, ddr training, chipset configuration, and other things you aren’t allowed to know about. oh and sometimes they’ll tell you “oops, boot failed, try again” and you reset the chip and start over. you also cannot set the chip down by itself on your desk and shout at it and have it do things. the point is with an android phone you cannot do anything reliably before you're in the userspace of whatever hacked kernel it shipped with. apple is kind of a red herring since it is proprietary on another level. the promise of an intel soc that worked was that you might be able to actually put some code into a boot region and bring up any kernel you wanted without a ton of guesswork.
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May 26, 2020 17:07
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May 27, 2020 02:46
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a 4G clamshell dumb phone would be rad tho
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May 27, 2020 03:52
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what could possibly go wrong?quote:Samsung copies the Apple Card, announces “Samsung Money” https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/05/samsung-copies-the-apple-card-announces-samsung-money/
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May 27, 2020 19:30
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nothing new really. since neither apple nor samsung are doing a card, they're just licensing their name, and indirectly their users, to be hosed over by financial institutions
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May 27, 2020 19:33
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:nothing new really. since neither apple nor samsung are doing a card, they're just licensing their name, and indirectly their users, to be hosed over by financial institutions the apple card is an actual credit card. this samsung thing is a debit card + online bank account, because nobody would extend broke android users a line of credit
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May 27, 2020 20:04
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The_Franz posted:the apple card is an actual credit card. this samsung thing is a debit card + online bank account, because nobody would extend broke android users a line of credit so apple using their brand loyalty to sell out their users to loving goldman sachs is good actually because goldman will let them accrue some debt?
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May 27, 2020 20:08
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:so apple using their brand loyalty to sell out their users to loving goldman sachs is good actually because goldman will let them accrue some debt? i'm not sure how you get from "not the same thing" to "good"
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May 27, 2020 21:47
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"actual" has positive connotations, but as long as we can all agree that tech companies issuing (well, "issuing") cards and cozying up with financial nonsense is bad and dumb i'm happy.
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May 27, 2020 21:49
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hifi posted:they're making another razr they are fixing the problems they said! no not the screen exploding after a week the short battery life problem
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May 27, 2020 22:01
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i mean, if they up the battery life a bit they can make an actual port-less phone, as the expected lifetime of the initial battery charge will exceed the mtbf of the screen.
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May 27, 2020 22:03
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anrands don't care if their new phone only lasts a week cause they're going to buy whatever comes out next anyway cause this time it'll be so good lmao suck it crapple sheep
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May 28, 2020 16:05
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android users: simultaneously too broke to get a credit card but constantly able to afford 1.5k$ phones
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:they are fixing the problems they said! not sure about that quote:We can start ringing alarm bells now over the purported 2845mAh battery. This would be a small battery for a 4G phone and is worst-in-class for a more power-hungry 5G device. 4G smartphones with similar-sized batteries, the Pixel 4 (2800mAh) and first-gen Razr (2510mAh), already suffer from poor battery life, and piling the extra power demands of 5G on top of this doesn't sound like a great idea.
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May 29, 2020 07:37
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Jenny Agutter posted:android users: simultaneously too broke to get a credit card but constantly able to afford 1.5k$ phones this isn't that weird tbh
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May 29, 2020 14:31
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:as long as we can all agree that tech companies issuing (well, "issuing") cards and cozying up with financial nonsense is bad and dumb i'm happy. sure im on board with this, but some convex combination of [apple, goldman sachs] has paid me $309.13 to get me to buy things with that card, so  the only thing really unique about it is 3% cash back from apple itself, which has come in handy for my wifes apple watch christmas present, iphone se2 for my mother in law, and sometime this year a new macbook since my wifes 2013 mbp wont get security updates anymore oh and streaming services on the apple tv, those are 3% cash back too if they go through apple
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this thread is fine when its laughing at google or android handsets but when android users come up it quickly reveals yospos's gross undercurrent of classism
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May 29, 2020 15:21
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Jenny Agutter posted:android users: simultaneously too broke to get a credit card but constantly able to afford 1.5k$ phones lol that the andorodird user excuse was "apple is too expensive" right up until Samsung blew past the iPhone price points without breaking a sweat
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May 29, 2020 15:30
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Jenny Agutter posted:this thread is fine when its laughing at google or android handsets but when android users come up it quickly reveals yospos's gross undercurrent of classism you must be confused. it’s not an undercurrent, we are very open about our classism.
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May 29, 2020 15:57
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it's in the yospos rule book
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Lysidas posted:sure im on board with this, but some convex combination of [apple, goldman sachs] has paid me $309.13 to get me to buy things with that card, so wow, amazing consumption. keep it up!
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Jenny Agutter posted:this thread is fine when its laughing at google or android handsets but when android users come up it quickly reveals yospos's gross undercurrent of classism my iphone cost $100
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:my iphone cost $100 you’ll be the first against the wall when the proletariat rise up, elitist scum
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May 29, 2020 17:10
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just took the “tell us about your new se” product survey and when they finally asked about the size of the phone i took every opportunity to remind them that their feature of “4.7 inch body that fits comfortably in one hand” is a lie and they need to bring back the se 2016 body
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May 29, 2020 17:42
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i think it's cost me $20/year by this point i hope the people rise up and seize the power they deserve
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May 29, 2020 17:42
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mod saas posted:just took the “tell us about your new se” product survey and when they finally asked about the size of the phone i took every opportunity to remind them that their feature of “4.7 inch body that fits comfortably in one hand” is a lie and they need to bring back the se 2016 body how big are your hands (thumb to pinky)
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May 29, 2020 19:43
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an iphone you bought 5 years ago for $100 isn't really inspiring confidence in me. i'd rather have whatever motorola crap is out now, although i'd be the first to admit that motorola has taken a nose dive since google sold them.
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I'm not an android-haver because I'm poor im an android-haver because I'm a dirty cheapskate
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