|
Just be clear, it's not a space shuttle. It's a small capsule designed to take astronauts to the ISS, since because we scrapped the Shuttle Program in 2011 we have had to pay the Russians to take us there.
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 00:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 17:38 |
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:Just be clear, it's not a space shuttle. It's a small capsule designed to take astronauts to the ISS, since because we scrapped the Shuttle Program in 2011 we have had to pay the Russians to take us there. Correct; I was mistaken. It’s a capsule.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 00:49
|
|
|
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q9y888TmDG1vcdf2k_480.mp4
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 01:51
|
|
|
Where's the rest of the music video?
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 02:27
|
|
|
https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-voyagers-year-of-hell-episodes-could-have-be-1843782219quote:Star Trek: Voyager's 'Year of Hell' Episodes Could Have Been a Whole Season, According to Bryan Fuller
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 03:34
|
|
|
This is the only logical response to that article:
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 03:54
|
|
|
The Year of Shill
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 04:45
|
|
|
Snow Cone Capone posted:https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-voyagers-year-of-hell-episodes-could-have-be-1843782219
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 05:09
|
|
|
Snow Cone Capone posted:https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-voyagers-year-of-hell-episodes-could-have-be-1843782219 I think Fuller's overstating his level of involvement here. Fuller was only a contributing writer at that time and wouldn't have been in the writers' room full-time, nor privy to the behind-the-scenes politics at that point, considering he only became a co-producer with the seventh season.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 06:36
|
|
|
Gonz posted:Edit: Old Space Shuttle cockpit: I got to tour the Shuttle trainer in Seattle a few months ago, which includes a fully-accurate cockpit (albeit not with flight hardware), and learned that all the buttons in the center console are recessed so that astronauts could freely step on it without fear of accidentally breaking or toggling any buttons or switches. Also the different colors of velcro indicate whether it's Shuttle-standard (blue), astronaut-requested (yellow), or contractor/mission-specific (white).
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 07:38
|
|
|
Snow Cone Capone posted:https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-voyagers-year-of-hell-episodes-could-have-be-1843782219 Rick Berman just seems like a bummer. Say what you will about Brannon Braga, but he had some great Trek episodes and seemed to fight for good writing part of the time. Sure he took some risks with lovely episodes, but he took risks with other episodes that still stand out today. Berman just seemed to not understand Trek or science fiction, and in general felt annoyed and burdened with running Trek.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 08:21
|
|
|
I'm sure I once read somewhere that Berman tried to leverage his position as Trek's successful showrunner into a higher executive role, and Paramount shut him down and said "Nope, you're the Star Trek guy, stay in your box and keep making us money." Can't remember where, though.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 08:29
|
|
|
A thing to consider about the whole entire season of Year of Hell concept is that it would probably an even bigger drag to have an entire season of actually living up to the shows basic premise, then them pressing the reset button and saying "well, enough of that, back to normal!"
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 09:40
|
|
|
Seemlar posted:A thing to consider about the whole entire season of Year of Hell concept is that it would probably an even bigger drag to have an entire season of actually living up to the shows basic premise, then them pressing the reset button and saying "well, enough of that, back to normal!" But we would have gotten an entire season of Kurtwood Smith. Totally worth it.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 11:41
|
|
|
tmm3k posted:Rick Berman just seems like a bummer. Say what you will about Brannon Braga, but he had some great Trek episodes and seemed to fight for good writing part of the time. Sure he took some risks with lovely episodes, but he took risks with other episodes that still stand out today. Berman just seemed to not understand Trek or science fiction, and in general felt annoyed and burdened with running Trek. They're both dead-eyed pod people. Watch this poo poo. Watch them talk about how they had no idea how to actually use the setting or gimmicks of the setting they created. Watch them insist that the Temporal Cold War was a good idea and imply Manny Coto is the idiot who got Star Trek cancelled, etc. At one point they talk about doing an Avengers style story, which I can't see being anything but "generations but more and worse" when written by these two. The only good thing about this is them talking about how they tried to get shatner to do a thing and he apparently asked for all the money in the goddamn world to come back and play his character's great grandfather in enterprise so they nixed it. I'm really curious as to what Bill charges for a movie role/appearance.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 14:50
|
|
|
TheDiceMustRoll posted:They're both dead-eyed pod people. Watch this poo poo. Probably less. His actual pedigree as an actor in general is honestly pretty good (it's easy to forget, but Shatner's particular way of acting comes right out of his time Shakespearean stage acting in Canada); it's just that he can dig his claws in and go "I am Captain Kirk and you have to pay me The Big Star Trek Money if I'm going to do The Star Trek thing."
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 15:01
|
|
|
I wonder if Picard ever told Starfleet that he buried Kirk, and they had to race to that specific pile of stones to give him a proper burial.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 15:07
|
|
|
Shatner is doing CPAP cleaning machine commercials right now.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 15:24
|
|
|
bull3964 posted:Shatner is doing CPAP cleaning machine commercials right now. He needs to get his CHUD daughter off of his Twitter account.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 18:13
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:Oh god is he? https://www.soclean.com/en-ca/sleep-talk/2019/07/08/william-shatner-how-the-soclean-has-changed-my-life
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 20:19
|
|
|
TheDiceMustRoll posted:I'm really curious as to what Bill charges for a movie role/appearance. His fee for Generations was $6 million.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2020 21:04
|
|
|
The_Doctor posted:I wonder if Picard ever told Starfleet that he buried Kirk, and they had to race to that specific pile of stones to give him a proper burial. I always figured Star Fleet eventually came back to clean up everything on the planet given that it was one orbit over from a planet with a pre-warp civilization on it. Leaving half a starship and alien corpses within eventually easy access of a primitive race would be a big violation of the Prime Directive.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 00:52
|
|
|
Arivia posted:Probably less. His actual pedigree as an actor in general is honestly pretty good (it's easy to forget, but Shatner's particular way of acting comes right out of his time Shakespearean stage acting in Canada); it's just that he can dig his claws in and go "I am Captain Kirk and you have to pay me The Big Star Trek Money if I'm going to do The Star Trek thing." Kind of hard to argue with it as well. Sure it would have been cool, but given how much publicity it would have got them to have Shatner appear in Enterprise it probably would have been worth big bucks.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 01:25
|
|
|
Zurui posted:This is the only logical response to that article: Who let George Costanza into this photo shoot? I wonder if they actually did Year of Hell as a whole season if it would end the same? That would surely piss a lot of people off to have an entire season that doesn't matter in the end.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:09
|
|
|
If you did it as a season arc I think there'd be a way to avoid it just being a reset button scenario. You could have Voyager fix the timeline but for (Star Trek Reasons) Voyager itself isn't reset and they have a portion of the next season all about fixing the ship and getting back to normal, dealing with consequences.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:17
|
|
|
Year of Hell as a general concept wouldn't necessarily even involve a timeship or a reset. The original setup to it in Season 3 when Kes was jumping through time didn't mention one; it was just a really bad year where they were under constant attack by the Krenim and the ship was wrecked and lots of people died. The Krenim had torpedoes in temporal flux to get through the shields, but that was just setup explaining why Kes was time jumping. Voyager never shields against them, they only survive with a tactic of blasting everything they can at the Krenim torpedo launchers at the start of every engagement. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 1, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:24
|
|
|
Grand Fromage posted:If you did it as a season arc I think there'd be a way to avoid it just being a reset button scenario. You could have Voyager fix the timeline but for (Star Trek Reasons) Voyager itself isn't reset and they have a portion of the next season all about fixing the ship and getting back to normal, dealing with consequences. You could even do a Caretaker call-back with it, Voyager finds a way to reset the time-line, but doing so will either affect just them, or everything else. So they can avoid the damage to the ship and the deaths they have witnessed over the year, but the greater damage to alien species they will never see again will stand, or they can save all those planets affected but Voyager will go on bearing the scars.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:26
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:Year of Hell as a general concept wouldn't necessarily even involve a timeship or a reset. The original setup to it in Season 3 when Kes was jumping through time didn't mention one; it was just a really bad year where they were under constant attack by the Krenim and the ship was wrecked and lots of people died. That was such a good episode and made me pissed that Kes wasn't in the whole rest of the show.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:27
|
|
|
How many crew were killed during Year of Hell? I feel like there's a certain point at which having them continue the journey back home is at least as implausible as the eternal reset button was, because at some point you've lost too many crew and/or the ship is too trashed to be plausibly able to carry on. I can't remember which iteration of the thread it was, but I remember once suggesting that the Hirogen takeover would have been a decent way to end Year of Hell; Voyager's unlucky enough to run into the Hirogen right after dealing with Anorax (that was the crazy time-dude's name, right?), they get taken over and their holodecks and crew exploited, and then the big trade-off at the end is "okay fine we'll give you holodeck technology, in exchange for being able to use one of your drydocks" and that's what allows them to get back to (mostly) normal.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:29
|
|
|
They absolutely 100% would have hit that reset button at the end of the season. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 05:58
|
|
|
quote:"We had at least half a dozen different endings, and reshot endings," Joe Menosky recalled. "Brannon wanted to keep the ship wrecked for the entire season, and he didn't want to end with a reset. The studio [namely, Paramount Pictures] didn't want to do that. [Executive producer] Rick Berman didn't want to do that. So we didn't do that. I wanted at least a couple of people to know what had happened. We actually wrote this ending even though we didn't shoot it, where time is reset, the weapon is gone; we know what has happened to us through some complication I can't even remember." Inferring from some of the other Memory Alpha stuff, it looks like when they say they wanted Year of Hell to last for a year, what they actually were proposing was that the Krenim episode would last for four episodes, and then Voyager would exit Krenim space and they'd go back to mainly episodic but Voyager would stay wrecked from the Krenim stuff and they'd spend the whole year being dunked on by anything that breathed their way and taking heavy losses, and they'd have episodes about survival and so on. Then in the Season 4 finale of that there'd be some plot device to help them repair, an ally that fixes them up or something after Voyager saves them. Basically the Krenim would've shifted them into Star Trek: Equinox for a season. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jun 1, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 06:04
|
|
|
Nullsmack posted:That was subtle. Man, that was like 10 times better than 'oh poo poo' in conveying, well, that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 07:00
|
|
|
I’ve avoided reading really any social media or forums on Trek for a long time but I finished Picard and settled in for what was a surprising but somewhat deserved bashing from seemingly every site. Rather than discuss specific details of the show with regard to any specific narratives or subject matter I kept thinking about Enterprise. Enterprise is my favorite Trek Show beside TNG. I watched TNG come out in real time so it has a special place in my heart but I felt that Enterprise did a good job of continuing the feeling of exploration and maintaining the campiness of the Trek concept. Yet, I can recall vividly people criticizing Enterprise online and elsewhere for being “campy,” too episodic (especially seasons 1 and 2). Let’s be honest it was more like berating. They complained endlessly about the introduction (which was actually inspirational at the very least) and certain characters and while people softened their attitude toward season 3 and 4 the damage was already done. I couldn’t help but think tonight as I watched the Red Letter Media video and read through various forums that all of the complaints about Discovery and Picard for being too dark or violent or whatever are the direct result of fans mistreating Enterprise. There simply wasn’t confidence that another Voyager/Enterprise show would be well received so they chose the style and feeling of these new programs. It will probably be the case that we don’t get another eye removal in season 2 of Picard and it will probably be generally more well received by fans in the same way season 2 of discovery was. But, my overall feeling after this wild ride of catching up on what trek fans think is: if you want the old style back, blame early 2000s trek fans when it doesn’t happen. Everything they want now watching discovery and Picard they complained about back then. Now they include clips from enterprise in their longing montages of the good old days as if they weren’t part of the mob back then. Shammypants fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Jun 1, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 07:40
|
|
|
Well, I don't know about blaming the fans, the studio had really whipped the TNG-style Trek horse into oblivion by the time Enterprise rolled around so I can't blame people for being bored with it. But I think you're pretty on the money about the studio being afraid of reviving that formula because of the criticism those later era shows received. That's what the JJ trek revival that kicked all this off was reacting against in the first place.
Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jun 1, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 07:57
|
|
|
Shammypants posted:I’ve avoided reading really any social media or forums on Trek for a long time but I finished Picard and settled in for what was a surprising but somewhat deserved bashing from seemingly every site. Rather than discuss specific details of the show with regard to any specific narratives or subject matter I kept thinking about Enterprise. Everyone who has ever not liked the shows you like is not the same person.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 07:57
|
|
|
I think it's pretty simple, people back then were sick of the episodic Roddenberry tone after 15 years of increasingly stagnant shows. Now people have had 15 years or so to get sick of darker action violence and are ready to change it up again.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 08:04
|
|
|
Some people do seem to want a show with crazy SciFi concepts but totally grounded in currently known scientific fact. Like the people who complain about the Mycelial Network in Discovery. That's an insane concept, but I like it because it feels very Trek. Yes it doesn't make sense with any science as we know it, but neither do things like a transporter accident splitting someone into two or merging two into one and we rolled with them back in the day. Basically what I'm saying is that all Strange New Worlds needs to do to get me on board is have a transporter accident episode.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 08:50
|
|
|
Senor Tron posted:Some people do seem to want a show with crazy SciFi concepts but totally grounded in currently known scientific fact. I'm not mad about it but I do actually suspect that this is a case where if they talked about like, metawarp or something, and the titty torture tardigrade was a metawarp entity, this particular axis of bitchin' would in fact have gone away.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 09:24
|
|
|
I really like the mycelian network as a concept, but that's because I like all the episodes where there's things living in space, like the space jellyfish or the giant amoeba or all the living nebulas or fluidic space. I just like the idea that space in Star Trek's got this whole weird ecosystem of its own.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 09:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 17:38 |
|
|
Drink-Mix Man posted:I think it's pretty simple, people back then were sick of the episodic Roddenberry tone after 15 years of increasingly stagnant shows. Now people have had 15 years or so to get sick of darker action violence and are ready to change it up again. Yeah, people where getting into The Sopranos and LOST and other serialized shows around that time. Episodic TV was dying a quick death unless you were into medical or law procedurals. You would think people who were into CSI or House or whatever wouldn’t be opposed to some Trek but they just weren’t interested for some reason.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2020 10:43
|
|
