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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:In the US, police are basically a violent street gang with the power of the state behind them. This is a narrative that is altogether absent from any depictions in any of these shows. Yeah that’s my point but that’s honestly my problem with the Wire. Despite being treated as a woke darling it’s actually fairly conservative
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah that’s my point but that’s honestly my problem with the Wire. Despite being treated as a woke darling it’s actually fairly conservative It’s liberalism but cynical rather than idealistic.
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The most realistic cop on TV was chief Wiggum
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CharlestheHammer posted:B99 isn’t the same as like parks and rec. Being police is more a backdrop for the stuff rather than the focus and it doesn’t really glorify cops. While Parks did spend a lot of time glorifying milquetoasr liberalism I mean if they're running it in syndication they'd have to edit out all of Leslie's gross fawning over Biden for starters.
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Vic from the shield seemed closest to my idea of what a cop is, but I only saw bits and pieces and could not stand that show.
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Vic is weird in that he is the bad guy and the show clearly does want that. At the beginning and end. The middle is mostly Vic and Friends going on adventures and while they do bad things they also do stop a lot of really really bad guys. The shield was big on having its cake and eating it to is my point
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Bolingbroke posted:There's that weird episode of Angel where some of Gunn's (black) friends report there's a glut of police violence going on. After some skepticism, Angel & co. realise that the cops are in fact indiscriminately targeting black people and exhibiting unjust force. This culminates in a cop shooting a (white) guy (Wesley) for no reason at all. Then it's revealed that the violence was because they were dead zombie cops being controlled by an evil cop with a magic statue, which Angel smashes, thus restoring the police force to semi-normalcy. I have no idea what they were trying to say with that episode. We need to smash the evil cop statues. So every confederate monument.
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See also Gotham for really creepy police worship - even though the GCPD is massively corrupt from top to bottom they somehow only seem to arrest the badguys, and (except for the first episode) merrily gundown loads of mentally ill people without a second thought. Including the mentally daughter of a woman who comitted suicide after being arrested for murdering her abusive husband in self defense. But its fine, all insane people are evil by default! The final few episodes are kind of a retread of Dark Knight Rises - Gotham is isolated for...reasons, and Bane wants to blow it up. Except this time Bane is leading a load of US soldiers for...reasons. In the final gunfight Gordon instructs his men to ignore the rank and file and focus on Bane because, and I quote "we've got a lot of innocent soldiers who're just following orders". Orders to airstrike a city full of civilians! It's....not a good show.
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if any of you say a rotten thing about due south i'm gonna scream so loud every mod in the world will hear me i'm only half-kidding too
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hard counter posted:if any of you say a rotten thing about due south i'm gonna scream so loud every mod in the world will hear me More like Doo Doo South! 
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hard counter posted:if any of you say a rotten thing about due south i'm gonna scream so loud every mod in the world will hear me Paul Gross is my hall pass for men.
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Barney Fife was just a thug with a badge.
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hard counter posted:if any of you say a rotten thing about due south i'm gonna scream so loud every mod in the world will hear me That's because he was a Mountie who could talk to ghosts and dogs
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Pick posted:The most realistic cop on TV was chief Wiggum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBk9ugb5C-o
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pentyne posted:Barney Fife was just a thug with a badge. yeah, but literally everyone in Mayberry, including Aunt Bea and Opie, could overpower him and administer noogies as necessary  also it helped that Andy only allowed him one bullet, and forbade him from actually keeping it in his sidearm
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Andy never wore a gun on the shoe because he wanted to solve problems through respect and cooperation, not through force or the threat of violence.
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Barney Miller was hailed by many police forces as being extremely realistic in the portrayal of mundane police paperwork. It's also interesting to note that nearly every episode took place in the squad room or Barney's office.
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Were there any black people in Mayberry?
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christmas boots posted:Were there any black people in Mayberry? A few in the background of crowd scenes and maybe one in a bit part. Griffith lamented this, but had to bend to the network's will.
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hard counter posted:if any of you say a rotten thing about due south i'm gonna scream so loud every mod in the world will hear me Pff it's fine, it's a fantasy show, there are ghosts and intelligent wolves. Nobody's that good-looking in real life. It's fine.
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There's an episode of law and order where they charge a guy with larceny by extortion because he forced a woman to have sex with him to allow her to become a partner at his law firm, and at the end the closing remark before the credits is that it sucks that even though he's going to jail, everyone's gonna know that she 'slept her way to the top' and who's going to respect her now etc.
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goldenninjawarrior posted:There's an episode of law and order where they charge a guy with larceny by extortion because he forced a woman to have sex with him to allow her to become a partner at his law firm, and at the end the closing remark before the credits is that it sucks that even though he's going to jail, everyone's gonna know that she 'slept her way to the top' and who's going to respect her now etc. One of the peak "ripped from the headlines" SVU was during the time where that Rutgers or NYU student got outed as having done porn years back and there was a big "she doesn't represent our system of values" from the school and borderline institutional harassment. So on the episode same thing, and the SVU tries to protect her from all the abuse and harassment or whatever but its too much so the episode ends with Finn and Olivia finding her robed up at a porn set and she tells them she has no choice anymore her life is over as she chugs half a bottle of vodka and disrobes and walks to set stone face & nearly crying to film a gangbang scene.
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Pick posted:The most realistic cop on TV was chief Wiggum Sharif Sheriff and Denny.
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pentyne posted:One of the peak "ripped from the headlines" SVU was during the time where that Rutgers or NYU student got outed as having done porn years back and there was a big "she doesn't represent our system of values" from the school and borderline institutional harassment. If I remember correctly this ties into an ongoing subplot about that university being completely horrible about all kinds of sex crimes; there's the frat house that gets shut down for gang rapes after the women's centre calls it out, then an edgy comic gets more frat boys to rape the women's center leaders protesting him (and eventually one of them seduces the comic to get back at him) and so on. It is so, so lurid and absurd.
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Not sure how you top this one, tbh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cXBwfynSYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtHh9eVQ7oI
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christmas boots posted:Not sure how you top this one, tbh. that's absurd in a farcical way, the absurdity I'm talking about is the super nihilistic misanthropy end-state of ethics that SVU bottoms out in, the one where the Cops are the only ones holding back the Real Evil, which is Everywhere and always Dangerous
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The episode of SVU about animal smuggling (which is somehow an SVU case) has them getting a rapper killed because Stabler used him as a reference when going undercover and nobody gives a poo poo. Then when taking down the criminals Benson is all set to let a guy fall to his death until he reveals that he's actually an undercover cop. There was also an episode where Stabler chases a pedo to Europe and when he finally catches the guy he beats the poo poo out of him telling him that it was all legal because that country didn't have any laws about police brutality (which is probably not true.)
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muscles like this! posted:The episode of SVU about animal smuggling (which is somehow an SVU case) has them getting a rapper killed because Stabler used him as a reference when going undercover and nobody gives a poo poo. Then when taking down the criminals Benson is all set to let a guy fall to his death until he reveals that he's actually an undercover cop. There is occasionally some really good plotting along these lines though. Like there's an ongoing thing with Rollins' gambling addiction to the point where she gets caught up in an underground gambling ring and found out as a cop and flipped. The only way she's saved is that the club leaves the undercover cop investigating the club to actually do her in (the show goes so far as suggesting she has to give a blowjob at gunpoint and blow a case), so he's able to recover for her being a major fuckup and she barely escapes by helping him take down the club itself.
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muscles like this! posted:The episode of SVU about animal smuggling (which is somehow an SVU case) has them getting a rapper killed because Stabler used him as a reference when going undercover and nobody gives a poo poo. Then when taking down the criminals Benson is all set to let a guy fall to his death until he reveals that he's actually an undercover cop. Stabler beating the poo poo out people is treated like some special once a season event and he's always doing it to the wrong person as some kind of weird moral lesson that beating up suspects is bad yet one season later he does it again. This culminates in a perv who keeps posting pics online of underage girls out in public, gets caught and told to stop, then starts back up again with a ton of photos of Stabler's daughter so stabler quietly leaves the room while everyone is discussing what to do, heads to the guy's computer server zone and beats the gently caress out of him, smashing the place up when the other cops find him trying to delete the pictures. They of course tell the perv to keep his loving mouth shut and Stabler has some dramatic conversations about losing control and going too far and  this isn't why I became a cop It's pretty loving disgusting. Also, for like 15 straight seasons Internal Affairs are clearly portrayed as the enemy of the "good cops" and there to gently caress things up and make it harder for justice to be done out of petty spite because some suspect got a boo-boo. pentyne has a new favorite as of 03:18 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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I'm not a US Goon, so I don't know what things are like on the ground over there - either now or as a general statement - but B99 seems to show the core group as being the mythical Good Cop and every one else as being terrible. Like... I legit thought the joke was how bad everyone else in the system was. Either way - stay safe people. Everything I'm hearing sounds goddamn terrifying.
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pentyne posted:Also, for like 15 straight seasons Internal Affairs are clearly portrayed as the enemy of the "good cops" and there to gently caress things up and make it harder for justice to be done out of petty spite because some suspect got a boo-boo. This goes all the way back to "The Blue Wall" in the very first season of the original Law & Order, where by the way, the homicide detectives do take down a policeman for police brutality, despite the union and IA trying to do everything to stop them. IshmaelZarkov posted:I'm not a US Goon, so I don't know what things are like on the ground over there - either now or as a general statement - but B99 seems to show the core group as being the mythical Good Cop and every one else as being terrible. Like... I legit thought the joke was how bad everyone else in the system was. That's the idea, but it's not always a joke. The marginalized members of the squad frequently deal with oppresion, violence and discrimination from other cops on the basis of their identities: there's a whole episode about Terry Crews' character getting stopped for the crime of being a black man walking outside after dark, and it's very clearly said that the only reason nothing bad happens to him is that he is a cop. It's not implied, it is explicit: cops are racist, misogynist, homophobic pieces of poo poo who are a old white boys club, period. The 99th is the "good cops" just for humour, and the show doesn't glorify police as good people in general. (And even then, the 99th still fucks up, does horrible things, breaks the law, etc, it is just papered over as part of suspension of disbelief and genre tropes generally.) Arivia has a new favorite as of 03:37 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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pentyne posted:One of the peak "ripped from the headlines" SVU was during the time where that Rutgers or NYU student got outed as having done porn years back and there was a big "she doesn't represent our system of values" from the school and borderline institutional harassment. I remember that episode. The victim was raped (since it's SVU and that's the point), and the fratbros videotaped it. Their lawyer managed to slutshame the victim and convinced the jury that clearly the video is proof that she was just acting for the sake of the film. When they find her on the film set, the last words of the episode are "At least these guys stop when I ask them to."
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Arivia posted:that's absurd in a farcical way, the absurdity I'm talking about is the super nihilistic misanthropy end-state of ethics that SVU bottoms out in, the one where the Cops are the only ones holding back the Real Evil, which is Everywhere and always Dangerous SVU 40K In the grim darkness of the future, there is only 
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Strom Cuzewon posted:See also Gotham for really creepy police worship - even though the GCPD is massively corrupt from top to bottom they somehow only seem to arrest the badguys, and (except for the first episode) merrily gundown loads of mentally ill people without a second thought. Including the mentally daughter of a woman who comitted suicide after being arrested for murdering her abusive husband in self defense. But its fine, all insane people are evil by default! That's not accurate at all. The cops are mostly portrayed as as bad or worse than the gangsters and only "good" by comparison with utter psychopaths like Theo Galavan or the Valeskas. Jim Gordon in particular is portrayed as a "good cop" right at the beginning but it quickly becomes apparent that he never really was. As soon as he's put to the test he ignores any rules or collateral damage that gets in his way. And when do they ever manage to arrest the bad guys?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:SVU 40K Dick Wolf is one of the Lost Primarchs.
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Bolingbroke posted:There's that weird episode of Angel where some of Gunn's (black) friends report there's a glut of police violence going on. After some skepticism, Angel & co. realise that the cops are in fact indiscriminately targeting black people and exhibiting unjust force. This culminates in a cop shooting a (white) guy (Wesley) for no reason at all. Then it's revealed that the violence was because they were dead zombie cops being controlled by an evil cop with a magic statue, which Angel smashes, thus restoring the police force to semi-normalcy. I have no idea what they were trying to say with that episode. They were trying to do the thing they did in other Buffy EPs where they use a supernatural villain as a metaphor for a real-life issue, but they realised midway through writing it that if cops were possessed en masse by an undying, bloodthirsty spirit of murder their kill rate would probably go down.
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the_steve posted:I remember that episode. I thought the jury bought the idea but the judge overturns the decision because basically the judge thinks she is a slut who is ruining america.
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AceOfFlames posted:Dick Wolf is one of the Lost Primarchs. Speaking of Dick Wolf and cop shows desensitizing people to cops as violent subculture: https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/dick-wolf-fires-writer-posts-1.5596271
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