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Fried Watermelon posted:Buddy you got called a "hero" that's worth so much more than money... I like the tweet way back that said something like "we're not heroes we're hostages"
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Steven McNiel announced a big thing in early May saying healthcare workers would be getting a $2000 bonus for working through the pandemic, and hasn't said a single word about it since then. I'd bet money he's hoping people forget
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hahahah. In Quebec we get 1000$ per month* nerds. *Worked full time** **If you get COVID and are sick too bad.*** ***Refuse to be transferred to another unit or a red hot nursing home? your loss.
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if it’s any comfort, the vast majority of quebecers hate these poo poo heads whose only purpose is generating drama with their lovely stupid ideas for Quebecor Media. They lack a proper leftist newspaper, and instead only have succ central through LaPresse and Fox News lite with all Quebecor related stuff.
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sweet I just woke up with a fever and sore throat, got a test scheduled for friday, nice that this happened right after my vacation request got shot down so I can look like a giant rear end in a top hat for any of you edmonton goons maybe avoid the kingsway area for a bit just in case i'm positive edit: I really wish I did a liquor run before possibly catching corvids blatman has issued a correction as of 04:40 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Popoto posted:if it’s any comfort, the vast majority of quebecers hate these poo poo heads whose only purpose is generating drama with their lovely stupid ideas for Quebecor Media. They lack a proper leftist newspaper, and instead only have succ central through LaPresse and Fox News lite with all Quebecor related stuff. we've got urbania, do they count?
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Mayor Stewart's big announcement on "police reform" today was to call on Premier Horgan to look into doing police reform 
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Juul-Whip posted:Mayor Stewart's big announcement on "police reform" today was to call on Premier Horgan to look into doing police reform Mayor Milquetoast
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I feel like a lot of body/dash cam issues could be resolved by livestreaming them 24/7 oh and also being able to legally crush cops who do poo poo like that
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Jan posted:we've got urbania, do they count? They now feature Éric Duhaime, so no.
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The second part to my other post. https://twitter.com/cspotweet/status/1271255115060502533?s=20
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Lotta people on twitter claiming the cops actions were justified because Allan was "aggressive/trying to start a fight" earlier in the extended video. He's already on the ground and restrained when they punch him ffs.
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blatman posted:I feel like a lot of body/dash cam issues could be resolved by livestreaming them 24/7 I'm sure that its somehow "too expensive"
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Blisster posted:Lotta people on twitter claiming the cops actions were justified because Allan was "aggressive/trying to start a fight" earlier in the extended video. He's already on the ground and restrained when they punch him ffs. Lotta people think that if you mouth off to a cop or are just uncooperative you deserve whatever they do to you, because a lotta people can't fathom de-escalation or that having your feelings hurt doesn't justify violence, an idea we try to instill in people in kindergarten. Most cops and cop-apologists operate at below a 1st-grade level of emotional maturity is what I'm saying.
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Entropic posted:Lotta people think that if you mouth off to a cop or are just uncooperative you deserve whatever they do to you, because a lotta people can't fathom de-escalation or that having your feelings hurt doesn't justify violence, an idea we try to instill in people in kindergarten. Most cops and cop-apologists operate at below a 1st-grade level of emotional maturity is what I'm saying. cops are taught that the only way to deal with a situation, any situation, is to establish yourself as the sole authority figure and assert your dominance over all others they will constantly and continuously escalate a situation, up to and including threatening and using deadly force, to establish that they are the authority figure and you will do what they want you to do some people in our society have internalized this logic to such an extent that they blame anyone in any interaction with a police officer for whatever violence is inflicted upon them because they appeared not to accept the police officer's dominance over them: "if you just did what he said you wouldn't have been murdered! if you just acknowledged that the police are the absolute authority figure and have the right to do whatever they want in any situation, you wouldn't have been beaten into a coma!" etc. it's what you say, people can't fathom de-escalation or feeling emotions other than anger, but it's also full-throated authoritarianism and toxic masculinity, the cop can never back down because backing down suggests that someone else might have more authority or be more dominant than them in a situation, so they escalate and escalate and escalate until either the other person backs down or the other person is dead police "de-escalation" is almost always just trying to teach cops how to escalate situations to establish authority without killing people, which is why training de-escalation doesn't work because cops are inherently trained not to de-escalate but to escalate situations, it's like trying to train a businessperson not to pursue profits, the whole point of their job is to pursue that goal so if you actually managed to change that behaviour it would require a complete rethinking of the way the entire institutional structure exists and by that point you might as well not even call them police anymore
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so Ontario, under Doug Ford enters phase 2 and the opening of restaurants as long as they have a patio if we were under Rob Ford we’d be enjoying restaurants with patois only
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vyelkin posted:cops are taught that the only way to deal with a situation, any situation, is to establish yourself as the sole authority figure and assert your dominance over all others I think you’re spot on for the most part. I’m not exactly optimistic, but I think it’s possible to create police services who aren’t just extrajudicial murder squads. Unfortunately it seems like that is the exception rather than the rule https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country
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Being the police should be every citizens duty on a rotation, like jury duty. Also when you are the cop for the year you get the nice cop salary, so its also wealth redistribution.
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Noblesse Obliged posted:if we were under Rob Ford we’d be enjoying restaurants with patois only jerk chicken?
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pokeyman posted:jerk chicken? He was a fan https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iXpwflzSF4M
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Rutibex posted:Being the police should be every citizens duty on a rotation, like jury duty. Also when you are the cop for the year you get the nice cop salary, so its also wealth redistribution. I'm all for some legitimate means of wealth redistribution, but I know some people who should absolutely never be given the responsibilities of a cop. Mayhem would ensue. Some sort of screening would be required. CocoaNuts has issued a correction as of 11:37 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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CocoaNuts posted:I'm all for some legitimate means of wealth redistribution, but I know some people who should absolutely never be given the responsibilities of a cop. Mayhem would ensue. we are already living that reality with no screening. that’s why we’re having this conversation
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CocoaNuts posted:I'm all for some legitimate means of wealth redistribution, but I know some people who should absolutely never be given the responsibilities of a cop. Mayhem would ensue. Well yeah, they don't just let any racist idiot be on a jury.
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Noblesse Obliged posted:we are already living that reality with no screening. that’s why we’re having this conversation Actually, I'd argue there is screening. You currently have to be inclined toward aggression and you must be suggestible to indoctrination. We don't want more of that.
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CocoaNuts posted:I'm all for some legitimate means of wealth redistribution, but I know some people who should absolutely never be given the responsibilities of a cop. Mayhem would ensue. Conscription exists but you still have to pass basic training
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Ah yes, everyone must take rotations being the hand that pushes down the masses and enforces the status quo. That'll fix it.
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Naw we figured it out in the martial arts thread. To be a neocop you have to be a loveable nonthreatening grandma type from the neighbourhood and the main function will no longer be "enforcement" but rather shaming people for being dummies and maybe occasionally hitting them with a slipper. e.g. "Now Chris - word is going around that you're cooking meth in the shed behind your trailer." "Oh hi Mrs. Strawinski. Uh no I'm not cooking meth." "Don't give me that! I can see the smoke coming up right now. Why do you need to be cooking meth? You have kids!" (hits with slipper) "Think about those kids!" "I'm sorry Mrs. Strawinski! I need money!" "Christopher Jeffery Smith you know better than that" (hits with slipper) "if you were having trouble you should have come and asked. Now you go shut down that meth lab right now and I'm going to see if I can get Mr and Mrs Denbow to make some nice soup for you and the kids. Bring the kids down to my house in an hour." "Ok Mrs. Strawinski."
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apatheticman posted:Ah yes, everyone must take rotations being the hand that pushes down the masses and enforces the status quo. Well then what the gently caress do we do then? Gonna offer up some suggestions other than 'don't do a loving thing?' Even if you believe that all crime at its root is a failure of society and not the individual you gotta admit the fact that we as a society gently caress things up from time to time and that's no excuse to stand idly by and let people steal stuff and injure or kill people. Noblesse Obliged posted:anyone caught stealing is forced to act on a CBC crime drama. Yikes. Cruel and unusual punishment.
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EvilJoven posted:Yikes. Cruel and unusual punishment. It didn't say they had to watch them too
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EvilJoven posted:Well then what the gently caress do we do then? Gonna offer up some suggestions other than 'don't do a loving thing?' Even if you believe that all crime at its root is a failure of society and not the individual you gotta admit the fact that we as a society gently caress things up from time to time and that's no excuse to stand idly by and let people steal stuff and injure or kill people. You have a failure of imagination. What should we do? Restore social programs that focus on mental health, substance abuse, and just giving kids something to do. Focus on restorative justice rather than punitive justice, make white collar crime carry the same if not more consequences. Have the systems in place to help and education people in abusive situations, that they are in fact in an abusive situation, give them solutions to they can get out of that situation and ensure that counselling and social workers are available to both the abusee and the abuser. Dissolve all police forces and rehire with a focus on community work and social work, have the cop be the guy that settles disputes before they escalate, have a small team in major metropolitan areas that focus on training for violent crime situations. Not just fascist job rotation. Also traffic cops should be a separate thing to enforce sober safe driving only. apatheticman has issued a correction as of 19:38 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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Do all that and there's still going to be the need for people tasked with intervening between people hell bent on causing harm and it's pretty loving privileged and/or naive to think otherwise. So while I agree with all of those things, were still going to need someone policing the neighborhood, be it citizens on rotation or a dedicated police force. We just need one that isn't mostly a bunch of shitheads.
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apatheticman posted:Dissolve all police forces and rehire with a focus on community work and social work, have the cop be the guy that settles disputes before they escalate, have a small team in major metropolitan areas that focus on training for violent crime situations. I liked the idea from the Watchmen show of the guns being locked down in the patrol car, and needing to be unlocked remotely by dispatch or whatever. I don't understand why every cop needs to have a killing machine strapped to their hip at all times.
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You really bought into the thin blue line poo poo then huh? Both those comments come from the weird expectation that there is a contingent of society that's just ready to pounce as soon as the moment is right and are doing a Cost benefit analysis constantly in their head. It's clear that the prejudice system as it stands does not correspond to a value set that most of us have. So either we need sweeping reform and need to actually have idealized goals or are we just going to goalpost shift ourselves into a police force that shoots minorities and harasses but totally feels bad about it when they get caught, for real this time. apatheticman has issued a correction as of 23:21 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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