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Tashilicious posted:Oh poo poo, was this the PM that got shot coming home from the theater, or something? Yep! About two-three blocks from where I work and now there’s a nice lunch place there. I’m curious as to who may have done it but I still think information will be withheld.
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Olof Palme, yes.
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Comstar posted:Swedish Police say they have the murder weapon of who killed the Swedish PM. Presumably they know who did it and will announce it tomorrow. I'm surprised they didn't ask John Ajvide Lindqvist.
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And it’s Skandiamannen, who has been dead for two decades.
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teen witch posted:And it’s Skandiamannen, who has been dead for two decades. Throw him in a cell and leave him to rot!
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StrixNebulosa posted:I found a neat looking true crime book last night: Blood Libel in Late Imperial Russia: The Ritual Murder Trial of Mendel Beilis Thought this sounded familiar and it turns out that it is the basis for The Fixer by Bernard Malamud, which I read in high school. The book is a fictionalized take on this case.
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https://avnewscrew.com/f/person-found-hanging-from-a-tree-at-poncitlan-square http://theavtimes.com/2020/06/11/suspected-suicide-body-found-hanging-from-tree-in-poncitlan-square-palmdale-issues-statement/ quote:PALMDALE – The body of a man in his 20s was found hanging from a tree Wednesday near Palmdale City Hall, authorities said. Chilling correlation: https://abc7.com/education/palmdale-school-noose-photo-community-members-divided/5300349/ https://abc7.com/education/photo-shows-palmdale-teachers-smile-while-holding-noose/5293760/ quote:PALMDALE, Calif. (KABC) -- A town hall meeting was held Tuesday regarding a controversial photo showing teachers at a Palmdale school holding a noose, smiling. Community members were divided in their opinions.
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Wasabi the J posted:https://avnewscrew.com/f/person-found-hanging-from-a-tree-at-poncitlan-square They also posted this photo of the tragic scene NSFW, NMS Suicide is a tragedy. At this time, more than ever, we need to support mental health. Somebody has a new favorite as of 03:24 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Excellent dead people photo, thanks a bunch
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Genuine question and asking from a place of wanting to inform myself, but in the replies to that twitter thread there is a comment saying that it's a lynching because "who heard of a black man hanging himself?". Is this a genuine cultural trope that would make the case so unlikely to be suicide? I'm asking because I had a friend who committed suicide in a basically identical manner, including using a public space, so it doesn't seem that wild to me at first glance but we are neither black nor American so I assume I'm missing a deeper cultural context. I'm aware of the history of lynchings, but is the idea of an black man choosing to using that method so far out there that it's not worth considering because of that history? Considering the high tensions at the moment I'll be 0% surprised when it turns out to be an off duty cop or something, but wanted to educate myself and can't find specific stats in Google beyond firearms being the main used method in the same way as for other races in the US. darkwasthenight has a new favorite as of 17:51 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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America does indeed have a history of people hanging black men and then claiming they just committed suicide. Going by statistics if a black man is found dead by "suicide" away from his home it is far far more likely that he was murdered and posed.
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Terrible Opinions posted:America does indeed have a history of people hanging black men and then claiming they just committed suicide. Going by statistics if a black man is found dead by "suicide" away from his home it is far far more likely that he was murdered and posed. Thanks, appreciate the info.
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Terrible Opinions posted:America does indeed have a history of people hanging black men and then claiming they just committed suicide. Going by statistics if a black man is found dead by "suicide" away from his home it is far far more likely that he was murdered and posed. CHP ruled a different roadside hanging a suicide in January, as well. The Sacramento hanging victim was dating a woman who was killed earlier. Sadly, and not less horrifying, that it may have been a murder/suicide. The community skepticism, prior incidents of very public racist behavior, and swiftness of the announcement lead me to be skeptical as well. An outside investigating body should've been immediately contacted by the police as a good faith measure. Not taking the climate into account isn't just tone deaf at this point. It's suspect. Wasabi the J has a new favorite as of 20:29 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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darkwasthenight posted:Genuine question and asking from a place of wanting to inform myself, but in the replies to that twitter thread there is a comment saying that it's a lynching because "who heard of a black man hanging himself?". Is this a genuine cultural trope that would make the case so unlikely to be suicide? it's mostly the current zeitgeist of people protesting extrajudicial murders of african americans, partcularly men, combined with the general hush of a media not talkig about or publicizing suicides for very good reasons. something like eight thousand americans hang themselves every year. like the reason you don't hear of black men hanging themselves is the same reason you don't hear of anyone hanging themselves outside of celebrities or other notorious cases, we don't really want to go around publicizing the number of suicides so as not to encourage other people who are on the brink of self-termination a black man hanging from a tree in a public place is an extraordinarily powerful image due to america's past history of public vigilante executions. it is the image that is going to immediately pop to mind, over the more quiet and tragic but likely scenario that someone hung themselves in public (and if you're going to do that, a tree is your most likely option) something similar happened in atlanta in 2016, a young black man hung himself in the big public park. all evidence pointed towards suicide but because of the historical resonance of lynching, and the subsequent lack of detail which could be provided and rightly earned distrust of police, this provides a silent space in which people draw what seems to be the reasonable conclusion that there was a lynching and the police are covering it up. but at the nexus of social media rumor, powerful symbols of oppression and violence, and the impossibility of proving a negative, the lynching narrative will be popularly spread initial reporting: https://www.ajc.com/news/local/piedmont-park-hanging-what-know/G2Zl9SPO57zcLUZnfkiWrN/ later reporting when more details were released to the public: https://atlantadailyworld.com/2016/07/14/facts-emerge-about-black-man-found-hanging-in-piedmont-park/ Mr. Fall Down Terror has a new favorite as of 20:40 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Here's one about a face you may or may not remember: Leona Helmsley. She was once America's richest woman. Interestingly, she did come from nothing: but even as a youth, she was described as difficult. Leona made her way to the top by finding opportunities, no matter how unscrupulous, even going so far as breaking up a billionaire's marriage to snatch him. However, her reputation is best known by former employees. If you did so much as spill a bit of tea on a saucer, you were out the door with her usual 'tact'. Leona didn't like paying people or her taxes either, and even evicted her son's widow and small child after he died. She was eventually dinged on fraud charges with her fate sealed when a witness recalled her saying "we don't pay taxes, only the little people pay taxes". After being released, she was left pretty isolated because of how everyone she liked died and everyone else hated her. She left a $12 million inheritance to her dog.
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Not trying to say that people don't hang themselves to commit suicide, but they usually don't do so in a public place far from their homes. In particular when they are the second or third person who pissed off a particular police department killing themselves in the same way.
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Yeah, that’s got some major “shot himself in the back of the head twice” energy I mean sure, it’s not physically impossible that it’s a legit suicide that just *looks* like a lynching but c’mon, this is America
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Continuity RCP posted:Excellent dead people photo, thanks a bunch Sorry, I shouldn't drink and post.
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christmas boots posted:Yeah, that’s got some major “shot himself in the back of the head twice” energy is there any way that a person of color can hang themselves in public that won't look like a lynching? that's part of the power of the image of lynching and how deeply it has wounded the american psyche
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Yeah there really isn't because people tend to hang themselves in private not in a place where people can stop or see them. Also quite frankly more black guys are killed by police or non-police racists every year than hang themselves.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah there really isn't because people tend to hang themselves in private not in a place where people can stop or see them. i found this survey of hanging suicides in switzerland which found that of the dataset, 1/3 hung themselves outside of the home, and of those locations a public place was the most common location at 8% of total deaths https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6750587/ in 2017 there were approximately three thousand suicides of african americans. "suffocation" is around 1/4 of the fatal cases across all americans. this is a really ghoulish subject so i'm not going to try very hard to make a statistically valid argument here, this is just napkin math. rounding that down by half, or 1/8th, of suicides to account for non-hanging methods of suffocation would be 375 people, and if 8% of them hung themselves in public then you would end up at around 35 african americans per year hanging themselves in a public place. not common but not unheard of again, this is really tragic stuff and i don't want it to seem like i'm trying to assert that this guy wasn't murdered. i'm not trying to dismiss or deny the legacy of lynching or other forms of extrajudicial murder in america. i'm only pointing at a gap in our perception caused by the fact that suicides are (rightfully) not widely reported on, and how this interacts with the highly valid natural suspicion of official recountings as to what happens when a black american is found mysteriously dead vvv yes, entirely. this suspicion of the police and investigators is backed by tremendous precedent. i'm really only saying that people hanging themselves in public is not as uncommon as one would think, but it's the kind of thing that gets quietly shuffled out of the news Mr. Fall Down Terror has a new favorite as of 22:43 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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What I find unnerving is how much my faith in our law enforcement had eroded that I can't trust them to be telling the truth about a horrible death. It's all too common in this thread for police to have been ambivalent or culpable in people's deaths. Wasabi the J has a new favorite as of 22:44 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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luxury handset posted:again, this is really tragic stuff and i don't want it to seem like i'm trying to assert that this guy wasn't murdered. i'm not trying to dismiss or deny the legacy of lynching or other forms of extrajudicial murder in america. i'm only pointing at a gap in our perception caused by the fact that suicides are (rightfully) not widely reported on, and how this interacts with the highly valid natural suspicion of official recountings as to what happens when a black american is found mysteriously dead
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luxury handset posted:is there any way that a person of color can hang themselves in public that won't look like a lynching? that's part of the power of the image of lynching and how deeply it has wounded the american psyche I mean if the victim put out a video the day before saying “hey I’m going to hang myself in the town square” then sure, but lynchings and police murders of PoC are such a part of the fabric of this country that when people hear hoofbeats they’re gonna think horses, not zebras.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I can see where you're coming from but deliberate murder of black people by police specifically in imitation of lynching is so systemic that I think it's just as irresponsible to believe any suicide like that. Same way it is to believe a native person died of "exposure" in Canada instead of deliberate murder by the cops.
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eh yeah, it's a tough call. My father is a black man hung himself in the parking structure of a hospital. He had PTSD from jail and general childhood trauma and went to seek mental help but they turned him away. Hanging yourself in a "public" area isn't unheard of but yeah
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Thank you all for the effort posts and Koalas March thank you for telling your story. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I was worried I would come across as devil's advocating by asking the question, but after reading those answers can accept that my perspective is probably just a bit skewed from knowing someone who chose that fairly unusual method. Obviously there's going to be no 'good' outcome of the case either way but I hope it turns out to be a tragic story rather than another case of brutality.
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I mean, we do live in a world where the KKK is attacking protesters, and where multiple Ferguson BLM activists have been found shot-to-death in burned out cars, the latter of which local police are seemingly uninterested in solving. I absolutely don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that one or the other is involved.
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I'm sorry that happened to him and to you, Koalas March. Basically I think it's dangerously naive to act like this couldn't possibly have been a lynching, and it's disrespectful of the mental health barriers people, especially African Americans, face to act like it couldn't possibly be a suicide, since it's not a physically impossible set up like some things have been. Either way I don't trust police investigations.
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Three black men found hanging in trees across the nation and quickly ruled suicides. Unreal.
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I think the assumption that suffocation means hanging is inherently flawed. There are a ton of other not uncommon options like CO poisoning that can account for a suffocation death than hanging. Additionally a death by hanging might be death via a broken neck and not a suffocation. I know you're just trying to play devil's advocate here but at this point in time it's hearing hoofbeats and looking for zebras. Or I guess in this case hearing oinks and looking for feral hogs.
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America is currently having severe civil unrest with severely racial overtones. These men were hung in trees with ropes. A modest amount of thought from anyone in leadership at the police would've prevented the correlations people are drawing now. Who is America going to trust is telling the truth? They should've involved other agencies as at least a performative measure of goodwill.
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Wasabi the J posted:America is currently having severe civil unrest with severely racial overtones. yeah but if they do that, it's no longer a dogwhistle to other racist "vigilantes" who want to do lynchings
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Four now https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/1272655050570035200?s=20
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That was a Latino man, and he had been struggling with suicidal depression for years.
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StillFullyTerrible posted:That was a Latino man, and he had been struggling with suicidal depression for years. Yeah, just learned about that. Also Feds to review cases into hanging deaths of 2 black men
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A small town gun owner succumbs to ANTIFA panic, leading to a family of campers being chased and terrorizedquote:The family also told deputies they were followed as they drove northbound out of Forks, up to a logging road where they intended to camp. People in at least two of the cars had “what appeared to be semi-automatic rifles,” they said. They tried to set up camp, but when they heard gunshots and power saws in the distance, they packed up to leave, only to discover the logging road had been blocked by the felled trees.
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Has the execution of George Stinney been talked about it in this thread? He was the youngest person to ever be executed in the US. I don't want to link to anything because its loving destroying to read about. He was given a death sentence at 10 years old. Later on (as in like 70 years later) his conviction was overturned. Reading about it all is devastating. Its another dark mark on the country's soul related to whats going on currently.
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