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eke out posted:Gotta say, that instakill of Juggs' (thorn armor form) is, in retrospect, even more loving wild in light of the current arc that's made it abundantly clear what absolute beasts angels are. The text below the comics has always emphasized how terrifying angels are. In the comic, though, we previously got very few examples of how fights with angels usually go; there was a lot of angel-vs-angel stuff, but not anywhere near the level of intensity of this fight, as well as Maya cleaving Juggernaut Star in two (wildly unrepresentative, and it also overshadowed how thoroughly Juggs was destroying everyone who wasn't a former demiurge) and White Chain helping beat KILL BOSS (a two-vs-one in favor of the angel, and KILL BOSS left almost immediately after she showed up).
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White Chains vs Delicious repelled everyone in the Hell who came near, and White Chains vs Unnamed Leisure Kicks Angel also caused a lot of damage. If the person fighting then isn't a total monster, all the angel fights we've seen end up with the angle flattening their opponent.
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Roland Jones posted:as well as Maya cleaving Juggernaut Star in two Wait, what? When did this happen?
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Jun 14, 2020 10:43
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At the tail end of Allison visiting Mottom's mobile oppression palace.
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Renaissance Robot posted:At the tail end of Allison visiting Mottom's mobile oppression palace. I really hope the Maybe Sword gets to deliver another Cut for us to marvel upon at some point.
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Roland Jones posted:The text below the comics has always emphasized how terrifying angels are. In the comic, though, we previously got very few examples of how fights with angels usually go; there was a lot of angel-vs-angel stuff, but not anywhere near the level of intensity of this fight, as well as Maya cleaving Juggernaut Star in two (wildly unrepresentative, and it also overshadowed how thoroughly Juggs was destroying everyone who wasn't a former demiurge) and White Chain helping beat KILL BOSS (a two-vs-one in favor of the angel, and KILL BOSS left almost immediately after she showed up). Yeah exactly, there was a lot of telling about angels but not a lot of showing, and White Chain is one to typically hold back and only use the minimal amount of force necessary to beat whoever.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Wait, what? When did this happen?    she really makes it look easy eke out fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Jun 14, 2020 14:45
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still one of my favorite moments in the comic
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eke out posted:
Man, I completely failed to absorb that. And I've read this comic, front to back, twice now. This is depressing.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I really hope the Maybe Sword gets to deliver another Cut for us to marvel upon at some point. I’m hoping it’ll be splitting all of Throne in half, myself.
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Jun 14, 2020 16:44
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Murder the Gods and Bisect Throne has a good sound to it.
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Jun 14, 2020 17:08
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paradoxGentleman posted:Man, I completely failed to absorb that. And I've read this comic, front to back, twice now.
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Jun 14, 2020 17:19
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Roland Jones posted:The text below the comics has always emphasized how terrifying angels are. In the comic, though, we previously got very few examples of how fights with angels usually go Playing the RPG gives an additional layer of whiplash, as Angels are not mechanically stronger than Humans or Servants as PC choices.
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Jun 14, 2020 17:30
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Tulip posted:Playing the RPG gives an additional layer of whiplash, as Angels are not mechanically stronger than Humans or Servants as PC choices. Its an RPG rule: All Boss' are substantially nerfed once defeated and join the player party. Except for KILL BOSS, who is cool and will never join the player party.
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Jun 14, 2020 17:35
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M_Gargantua posted:Its an RPG rule: All Boss' are substantially nerfed once defeated and join the player party. Oh come on now, KILL BOSS is clearly a Tiger, despite the name
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Jun 14, 2020 17:49
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PMush Perfect posted:This comic is full of batshit moments. Sometimes it's hard to remember that not that long ago, the coolest thing Allison did was win a drinking contest. It was a musical drinking contest
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Jun 14, 2020 17:51
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Tulip posted:Playing the RPG gives an additional layer of whiplash, as Angels are not mechanically stronger than Humans or Servants as PC choices. I would imagine that is because in the RPG you are always playing some kind of superhero on par with an angel, yes?
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M_Gargantua posted:Its an RPG rule: All Boss' are substantially nerfed once defeated and join the player party. KILL BOSS remains as strong as before and gets even stronger the more loot you give him. He'll also betray the party when the adventure is nearing the apotheosis.
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Jun 14, 2020 18:35
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The funny thing is Maya lost that fight with Juggernaut.
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Hypocrisy posted:The funny thing is Maya lost that fight with Juggernaut. ”Meti’s Sword Manual, 14th Precept” posted:The weak swordsman clings to victory. He thinks of his life, his obligations, the outcome of the battle, his hatred for his opponent, his training, his pride in his mastery. By doing so, he is an imperfect vessel for the terrible fires of Will. He will surely crack. He will not laugh uproariously if he is cleft in two by his opponent’s blade. When his sword is shattered, his hands will be too reserved to tear his enemies’ flesh.
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Jun 14, 2020 19:01
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paradoxGentleman posted:Man, I completely failed to absorb that. And I've read this comic, front to back, twice now. Time to start round three, then!
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Jun 14, 2020 19:54
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Those poor teacups...
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Mr. Lobe posted:I would imagine that is because in the RPG you are always playing some kind of superhero on par with an angel, yes? While true (it's PBTA, the PCs are insanely dangerous), the rules don't specify that NPC angels are any stronger than average, and the flavor text actually highlights Ebon Devils as being way scarier. Thorn Knights are "feared" but the text plays up Verdant Devils and Infinite Mothers much more. Among the premade generic NPCs, the NPC power levels are on a scale of 0, 1, 2, 3, 3+, and all the Angels are 2 or 3, which is definitely more than average built "Guild Brutes" are a 2 and "Devil Assassins" are a 3. Really the RPG should probably not be back-fed into the comic. It's not a problem for the "power levels are bullshit" crowd either way, but it does seem to have a somewhat different presentation of the world and how it works.
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Some of the playbooks are (loosely) Meti, Oskar + Gang and up and coming Demiurge so being on par with an angel isn't unbelievable
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hey girl you up posted:I've mentioned this before, but the important takeaway to me is that Maya did eventually learn the lesson, take it to heart, and actualize it. It took losing the rat and Meti, but she absolutely does not hesitate when 6 Juggernaut comes for Allison. With Allison fleeing and Juggs carving a path to pursue her, Maya acts with zero hesitation and strikes to kill. She closes the distance and goes for the angel, on purpose.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Maya looking back and forth between Juggernaut Star and Allison, before finally deciding to put Juggernaut down instead of catching Allison for whatever purpose Maya intends, is the exact opposite of acting without hesitation. She hesitated in making her decision, but upon making it, acted immediately and without fear or thought of consequence.
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In retrospect I feel like it's more her measuring their chances of escaping jug if she doesnt
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eke out posted:Yeah exactly, there was a lot of telling about angels but not a lot of showing, and White Chain is one to typically hold back and only use the minimal amount of force necessary to beat whoever. Well, there's plenty of showing, it just hasn't been the focus. Like, look at those pages posted above where Maya fucks up Juggs; prior to that moment it's just a complete and utter slaughter, but it's not the big moment from that sequence and is interspersed between or in the background of other panels for the most part. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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Just noticed Maya's little begging bowl and chopsticks are attached to her prayer bead necklace. That's the look of a woman who knows to keep her noodle receptacle close (or maybe that's how all mendicant knights dress idk).
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Maya cannot abide terrible swordsmanship. Meti's Sword Manual posted:You must never make 'multiple' cuts. Each must be singular in its beauty, no matter how many precede it. You must make your enemies weep with admiration, and likewise should your head be shorn off by such an object of beauty, you must do your best to shed tears of respect.
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Well, Juggs did look pretty sad afterwards. That's kind of like crying.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Maya looking back and forth between Juggernaut Star and Allison, before finally deciding to put Juggernaut down instead of catching Allison for whatever purpose Maya intends, is the exact opposite of acting without hesitation. ThatBasqueGuy posted:In retrospect I feel like it's more her measuring their chances of escaping jug if she doesnt This is how I always read the sequence. It reminds me of playing a 3-on-2 as a defender in ice hockey: you have to look around to see what each player is doing before you act. Attacking headlong is just as bad as hesitation. It had never crossed my mind that it was an act of indecision, or that Maya was considering chasing Allison, although I can now see how others might read either of those interpretations.
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Based on what we learn about her later on, it seems really dubious that Maya would feel forced to choose between chasing Allison for her key or dealing with Juggs, at least, considering the defining moment of her past was getting so disgusted with what she had done in her quest for a key that she purposely walked away from it.
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Regalingualius posted:Based on what we learn about her later on, it seems really dubious that Maya would feel forced to choose between chasing Allison for her key or dealing with Juggs, at least, considering the defining moment of her past was getting so disgusted with what she had done in her quest for a key that she purposely walked away from it. To be fair, while I do believe that to be the case, it’s still hypothetical. We don’t know for sure how she stopped being the leader of the Middle Army. Or whether she’d really like a key to be able to get that revenge she’s been stewing on for so long. We don’t actually know what Maya is after right now.
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Joe Slowboat posted:To be fair, while I do believe that to be the case, it’s still hypothetical. Fair enough on that; hell, I was actually considering adding pretty much exactly that speculation to my post. I could also see it as possible that Maya’s trying to do with Allison what Meti tried to do with her: guide her into figuring out where Maya’s own teaching/learning went wrong, and figure out a philosophy to surpass the Art of Cutting. She’s just taking a much more hands off approach with it.
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Personally I think Maya still doesn’t have a specific opinion on Allison; events keep conspiring to prevent their conversation, and Maya is a tired old woman (her words, not mine). When Allison runs off into another adventure Maya just sighs and keeps plodding along, approaching with the inevitability of mortality.
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This update may be my favorite thus far.
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I am stoked that we're not done with 10 Vigilant Gaze 
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I love that Solomon not only gave him a clean new toga he also thoroughly had his armor cleaned.
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