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Communist Thoughts posted:yeah but remember we've had theresa may as PM theresa may never did anything that obviously stupid to my knowledge - she was actually pretty good about not giving anyone a good excuse to actually stick the knife in imo, it's how she got into position to become PM basically by default - everyone produced what knives they had and she was the last one standing
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V. Illych L. posted:i feel as if i should clarify that that was more of a statement as to the freakishness of michael gove and not an assessment of the actual electability of a party under his leadership he really really hates muslims
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V. Illych L. posted:theresa may never did anything that obviously stupid to my knowledge - she was actually pretty good about not giving anyone a good excuse to actually stick the knife in imo, it's how she got into position to become PM basically by default - everyone produced what knives they had and she was the last one standing you might be right, though my impression was more that she was left standing because nobody thought she was a threat initially so once the dust settled all they had to do was quietly smother leadsom, instead selecting the bone-deep racist May so its really anyones game, the leader is whoever survives the series of schemes and backfiring schemes with the support of the party establishment
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Communist Thoughts posted:gove has a shady wing of media and dark doings behind him but so do like 2 other tory factions, kier is trying to get his own too. plus hes a fuckup and looks like a fish monster.
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Communist Thoughts posted:you might be right, though my impression was more that she was left standing because nobody thought she was a threat initially so once the dust settled all they had to do was quietly smother leadsom, instead selecting the bone-deep racist May not being vulnerable is a huge strength to a politician, and the tory establishment *is* its backbench and donors - my impression is that the labour party is much more bureaucratic than the tories, though this could be very misguided
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V. Illych L. posted:not being vulnerable is a huge strength to a politician, and the tory establishment *is* its backbench and donors - my impression is that the labour party is much more bureaucratic than the tories, though this could be very misguided I can't even begin to describe how actually loving wrong this loving post actually is. It bears no resemblance to the politics or demographics or anything of this shithole country. Shut up
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Jose posted:priti patel is hot, racist and spiteful as gently caress she'd do really well as leader most likely In the US at least this combo has found a lot more success as right wing media grifter than someone who's expected to occasionally govern.
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I don't mean to imply that the Tories aren't virulently sexist, but they do have Thatcher's bloody legacy to draw upon. Who are the female conservative politicians of whom your average Republican might have heard? Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman?
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Don't underestimate Gove - he's an actual conservative intellectual and has long term plans. One if the reasons he wanted Education was so he could try and rewrite the curriculum to indoctrinate kids better. His main issue right now is that he's a known backstabber and not highly trusted. Also yeah, he really, *really* hates muslims.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I don't mean to imply that the Tories aren't virulently sexist, but they do have Thatcher's bloody legacy to draw upon. Who are the female conservative politicians of whom your average Republican might have heard? Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman? Ivanka Trump
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V. Illych L. posted:theresa may never did anything that obviously stupid to my knowledge - she was actually pretty good about not giving anyone a good excuse to actually stick the knife in imo, it's how she got into position to become PM basically by default - everyone produced what knives they had and she was the last one standing Yo there is seriously a theme of you not understanding UK politics whatsoever and it's bizarre. Don't stop posting or anything but god drat, at some point pay better attention Theresa May did the single dumbest thing in UK politics since Brexit when she chose to go against not only parliamentary and party advice but that of her own advisors and run as Thatcher But Worse in a popularity contest against peak Corbyn. It was an incredible own goal caused by a basic inability to understand reality. V. Illych L. posted:the issue with patel imo is that she's not very tactically adroit It has taken her ten loving years to work out she can play the "I'm the wrong minority" card. Candace Owens built a career on that. She isn't a shark, she's plankton. e; I'm still sat here stunned. Ten years for Priti Patel to work out maybe, just maybe, she can try one neat trick to totally disprove the fact she's a bloodthirsty racist. Ten years later, she actually said the words "To them I am the wrong minority". Ten years. Killer instinct. Spangly A has issued a correction as of 02:08 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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poty posted:things will never stop getting dumber
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by killer instinct i mean a willingness to jump at the opportunity when afforded to her. it's stupid in that she jumps at stuff that blows her up such as the incident that got her sacked, but she remains relatively young for a great office of state (though not exceptionally so) and she's got all the attributes others have mentioned (attractive, psychopathic, intensely racist) which make her a contender - you'll note, though, that i was arguing *against* her candidacy in that post so if i'm missing something fundamental here i'm not alone as for may calling the 2017 GE it's obvious in retrospect, but given her objective circumstances it wasn't that dumb imo - polls were very heavily favouring her and she had a lot of the press more or less on her pocket. the problem imo was that the demonisation if corbyn's labour hadn't yet been given either specific form or moral impulse, so when people saw what he had to offer they were pretty happy about it and corbyn was still seem as a basically honourable if somewhat kooky chap something can be a really bad mistake without being stupid in the sense that it was obvious to reasonable people at the time. i recall a certain defiant pessimism in the ukmt itself at the time regarding whether labour should've whipped against the election, which i found very illuminating and where i thought that the anti-whip crowd were more reasonable. by all indications, that election was may's to lose - she turned out to be an impossibly bad campaigner, but that wasn't really foreseeable from her camp's perspective or from what i gather is the received wisdom of electoral campaigns these days, I.e. that a lead is best preserved by going to ground and leaving the other guy to campaign
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Priti Patel has the kind of intelligence that makes a plank of wood seem like loving Einstein. There is a reason the Tories don't allow her to speak publicly very much.
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I'm honestly impressively dismayed at how awful the 'leaked' response to the trans report in The Sunday Times is (pastebin here: https://pastebin.com/rjvXhFx2). Massive rollbacks of Equality Act protections, legislation to keep trans women out of all 'single-sex spaces', crackdown on private trans health ... it's bad folks!!! How do we feel this fits into the broader UKpol psychodrama - was it a deliberate leak to keep fascist brawls off the top spot on the front page? Weird Tory spasms? An op to get someone to complain about this to the European Court of Human Rights, which gives a pretext to withdraw from it and take back control? your theories here
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WINNERSH TRIANGLE posted:I'm honestly impressively dismayed at how awful the 'leaked' response to the trans report in The Sunday Times is (pastebin here: https://pastebin.com/rjvXhFx2). Massive rollbacks of Equality Act protections, legislation to keep trans women out of all 'single-sex spaces', crackdown on private trans health ... it's bad folks!!! https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1272141888167063557
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https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1272071593678778369?s=20 Labour taking a hard pro-statue stance. Doesn't matter what sort of statue, they just love statues. Finally putting the anti-statue Corbyn era behind them.
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1272071593678778369?s=20 the UK is so totally incapable of discussing racism that we have have decided to talk about statues instead. so anti-racism becomes anti-statue and racism becomes pro-statue naturally supercop kier and the anti-abbot brigade is coming down pro-statue what i think is funny is the subsequent immediate pivot to war memorials. in the same way that the original kneeling protests by kapernick et al were reconstrued to be about not showing support for the military. its the exact same playbook except we're even more degenerate and ignorant than the yanks. cos they at least went "blacks protesting police violence? no. they're protesting ARE TROOPS!" we are going "blacks protesting
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V. Illych L. posted:by killer instinct i mean a willingness to jump at the opportunity when afforded to her. it's stupid in that she jumps at stuff that blows her up such as the incident that got her sacked, but she remains relatively young for a great office of state (though not exceptionally so) and she's got all the attributes others have mentioned (attractive, psychopathic, intensely racist) which make her a contender - you'll note, though, that i was arguing *against* her candidacy in that post so if i'm missing something fundamental here i'm not alone I know the other guy said you shouldn't stop posting but I disagree
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1272071593678778369?s=20 he should retire to his shadow home
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Communist Thoughts posted:the UK is so totally incapable of discussing racism that we have have decided to talk about statues instead.
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Hoo boy the Portugese are still misty eyed about their "age of discoveries" nope no racism or slavery here move along.
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spankmeister posted:Hoo boy the Portugese are still misty eyed about their "age of discoveries" nope no racism or slavery here move along. it's even worse, it was a statue not even 5 years old of a priest and brazilian native children, and it's a mess involving possibly the far right being involved in the statue defacing to incite hatred and so on portuguese bluepills are overly sensitive over property damage
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spankmeister posted:Hoo boy the Portugese are still misty eyed about their "age of discoveries" nope no racism or slavery here move along. Ah, so the same as in the Netherlands then, the country that celebrated its "Golden Century" above everything else and where racism doesn't exist. also don't forget that the Dutch king has a literal golden carriage with proud descriptions of slavery on it that he gets to ride in public once a year and that's all fine.
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oliwan posted:Ah, so the same as in the Netherlands then, the country that celebrated its "Golden Century" above everything else and where racism doesn't exist. You'll get no argument from me there.
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spankmeister posted:You'll get no argument from me there. It's tasteful blackface
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Saw this in the turnp thread and am told it is "very british" https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/1272474870820077570
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spankmeister posted:You'll get no argument from me there. oh I know, I wasn't looking for an argument, just wanted to offer the UK goons some perspective. like, I know how hosed the racism discourse works in the UK, but it's actually much much better than in the netherlands, for instance. there's lots of British post-colonial art and literature for example, lots of universities offer post-colonial and black studies, there are many non-white celebrities and academics who are activist in nature, etc. In the netherlands, we are just realizing that a national holiday involving literal blackface might be a tad problematic
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Portugal has had a "servant" "class" on its former colonies until 1974 and a "mild" controversy from like 5 years ago or so was a PhD from Mozambique who had worked as a "servant" decided to write a book about it. The controversy was why he wasn't grateful for being able to speak Portuguese and even own an education instead of "being a savage". Around at the same time, we had a notorious historian writing a big take on the newspaper on how Kenyans are ambulance chasers and outrage addicts for even daring to inconvenience the European grief of Je Suis Charlie for mourning the Garissa University attack. The newspaper that happily host most of those takes cheered the opposition leader for saying there was no such thing as racism in Portugal.
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oliwan posted:oh I know, I wasn't looking for an argument, just wanted to offer the UK goons some perspective. i mean, even in the netherlands post-colonial and black/african studies is a pretty lively subject in some universities. wekker and braidotti and Utrecht, african studies in leiden, i think some researches in Amsterdam. it might not be as big as in the UK and the US, but especially wekker is a fairly well known and influential author. and, much as in the UK, much of the anti-racist discourse is outside the mainstream and those speaking out are often vilified and attacked. it might be less influential than in the UK, but unfortunately there's still a lot of work to do in both countries.
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mrmcd posted:Saw this in the turnp thread and am told it is "very british" Two weeks in the slammer for pissing on a statue?
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